Nightwingdragon ,

How can they force him to sue Trump or anybody else? Genuinely curious.

And he obviously doesn't want to do so because he damn well knows that the skeletons that would be coming out of the closet would be exponentially worse for him than the ones we already know about.

M0oP0o ,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

If in bankruptcy he can lose control over his financial matters. If the ones in charge of his estate (bankruptcy liquidators) think there is value in filing a suit, then they will as they are just trying to get all the funds they can to pay creditors.

Nightwingdragon ,

But he wouldn't be suing them per se, the liquidators would. Correct?

M0oP0o ,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

His estate, and in the court case his dealings would be fair game. This aspect of bankruptcy is not common but is a thing that can happen.

charonn0 ,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

If he doesn't comply with the bankruptcy court, they won't let him declare bankruptcy.

madcaesar ,

I fucking hate how these assholes can run around with millions in debt, yet some average Joe will be in prison because they can't pay a 500$ fine...

prole , (edited )
@prole@sh.itjust.works avatar

I agree with the general sentiment of your comment, but I'm not exactly sure that people are going to prison over $500 unpaid fines.

Edit: jail isn't prison. They're not the same.

JoBo ,

Why Are We Still Sending People to Jail for Being Poor? It's Time to Truly Abolish Debtors' Prisons

After she pleaded guilty to the misdemeanor of “frequenting a place where controlled substances were used, sold, or manufactured,” an Idaho court imposed a bill of $683.50 in fines and fees. Her lawyer—who had been appointed by the court because Beck couldn’t afford to hire one—asked that the costs be waived or reduced, given Beck’s tough financial circumstances. The judge refused. When Beck failed to make payments, the court issued a warrant for her arrest. She spent seven days in jail waiting to see the judge. Charged with a new crime of “contempt” for not paying, the judge sentenced Beck to time served in jail, again ordered her to pay costs, and reminded her that if she didn’t, she would continue to face new arrests, detentions, and contempt convictions.

prole ,
@prole@sh.itjust.works avatar

Jail isn't prison

JoBo ,

You're making a semantic argument?

OK

Telodzrum ,

It’s a pretty important distinction.

prole , (edited )
@prole@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yeah maybe you don't know the actual difference, but it's not just semantics. Jail is where you are temporarily held, maybe for a few days. Prison is where you go after a conviction, and where people regularly end up for the rest of their lives.

People do not go to prison for not paying $500 fine.

Edit: I'm sure you'd all find the difference between jail and prison to be very important if you're ever arrested for a minor offense.
But sure, just semantics 🙄

INHALE_VEGETABLES ,

The real prison is the prison of your mind man

prole ,
@prole@sh.itjust.works avatar

Whoa dude.

madcaesar ,

Oh sweet summer child...

Mjpasta710 ,

Wish it weren't that way. I have family in my life that went to jail over bills (related to a video rental) in Indiana, this century.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debtors%27_prison#:~:text=While%20the%20United%20States%20no,fee%20imposed%20in%20criminal%20judgments.

drmeanfeel ,

As intended, the revolving door of minor fines is a huge aggregate revenue stream

gravitas_deficiency ,

Lmao that is honestly kinda fuckin’ hilarious. Doesn’t that effectively mean that he’s forced to pay the legal bills of his creditors, thus only increasing his debt?

Delicious.

ohlaph ,

Truly hilarious. 😂

partial_accumen ,

There's no blood in the Trump turnip. If Giuliani is smart he'll wait until the RNC commits to covering all Trump's legal bills and debts. So, like, a week or so?

800XL ,

They're broke funding his whatever it is he does anyway.

Potatos_are_not_friends ,

What a way to have your cake and eat it too.

Id love to go, "Ah I'm so sorry daddy Trump. I had to sue you. I love you, you delicious orange man, but lawyer mommy says I gotta sue sowwie owwwie dawwie baldjebdorheit..."

Dagwood222 ,

Quick history lesson.

After he won the election, but before being sworn in, Rudy was on scene when a car hit a child.

Rudy abused the ambulance crew, who wanted to take the victim to the nearest hospital, against the mother's wishes.

Rudy won, and then tried to play off that he'd "rescued" the kid, when in fact he'd put the kid's health at risk.

Rudy is, was, and will always be a pig.

https://www.nytimes.com/1993/12/16/nyregion/giuliani-challenges-ems-at-accident.html

givesomefucks ,

Rudy abused the ambulance crew,

I wish that I could be confident that was an autocorrect from "sued"...

But you never know with Rudy

WarmSoda ,

Nah we all know

nilloc ,

No it was really verbal abuse

[Giuliani] said he challenged the lieutenant, James Ayuso, for resisting the woman's "perfectly reasonable request" and leaving the boy "shivering on the ground" while arguing for 10 minutes before acquiesing.

can ,

If you're a subscriber could you share a gift link?

SacralPlexus ,

Here you go.

can ,

Thank you very much.

MsPenguinette ,

The finacial courts do ocassionally do really funny things. Like forcing Musk to buy Twitter and now making Rudy sue Trump

Chainweasel ,

It was funny seeing him Find Out after Fucking Around with them, but it's considerably less funny now that it's Truth Social 2.0

WarmSoda ,

Yeah it was looking like Twitter was going to collapse for a few months... But now it's obviously not going to.

Having the most money in the world helps with even the worst businesses, unfortunately.

Witchfire ,
@Witchfire@lemmy.world avatar

It kills me because so many of my peers devote so much time, love, and energy into community-based businesses that struggle to stay afloat. Meanwhile these fuckers stay enriched while running absolutely despicable businesses, only because they have so much seed money to start with.

WarmSoda ,

"Money talks. Everything else can fuck off"

kamenlady ,
@kamenlady@lemmy.world avatar

"it's just business" they say

jkrtn ,

They should simply have had their parents run an emerald mine in an apartheid country.

WarmSoda ,

I keep telling my brother this but he won't listen

800XL ,

And then those chucklefucks claim the rest of us are beholden to a meritocracy when they just called on mommy and daddy to give them welfare.

Hazzia ,

Remembering that time Elon put a reward out for anyone who could prove his daddy was rich and his actual dad responded

Feathercrown ,

Fuck Around and Find Out

Please please please can we leave this phrase back in Reddit

CosmicTurtle ,

I bet the reason Gulliani doesn't want to sue Trump isn't loyalty. It's because he knows, deep down, that any attack on Trump is going to be seen by the MAGA hats as a threat. Nuance isn't their specialty.

Gulliani knows he's going to get death threats if his creditors sue Trump.

MsPenguinette ,

Even funnier

aStonedSanta ,

Nah. I don’t want anyone to get death threats.

Feathercrown ,

Something something greater good

bamboo ,

The greater good

Feathercrown ,

"The greater good? I am your WIFE. I'm the greatest "good" that you are ever gonna get!"

  • Honey, The Incredibles
nomous ,

Yeah I don't want it to be threats either.

Treczoks ,

Better him than anyone else.

Badeendje ,
@Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

Ofcourse, you cannot claim you have no money and then have a lot of outstanding debts you can cash.

Also, they gotta pay was the credo right?

autotldr Bot ,

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Now, Mr Guiliani’s creditors are exploring multiple avenues to obtain what they are owed, including forcing him to possibly sue the Trump campaign, and/or the Republican National Committee, according to the source close to the matter.

Mr Giuliani filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in December 2023 after a colossal defamation verdict that ordered the man formerly known as “America’s Mayor” to pay more than $148m to a pair of election workers he falsely accused of manipulating votes in Georgia.

He also faces lawsuits and collections from more than a dozen other parties, including the IRS and city agencies, Dominion Voting Systems, Hunter Biden, and Noelle Dunphy, a former employee who accused him of sexual assault.

Shortly before his bankruptcy hearing last month, Mr Giuliani listed his assets and debts in a court filing and included a “possible claim for unpaid legal fees against Donald J Trump” for an undetermined amount.

If they believe the claims are “viable” – like the one listed regarding Mr Trump – the committee essentially can “step into the shoes” of the debtor, and can file a lawsuit, try to negotiate a settlement, or pressure him to sue, Ms Hines told The Independent.

Without legal action, creditors are scrambling to get back what they are owed, with Mr Giuliani reporting assets worth more than $10m — including two properties each valued in the millions, a Mercedes-Benz, and a signed Joe diMaggio shirt — that he could try to sell.


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