mozz Admin

mozz Admin , 4 days ago

Unity

mozz Admin , 4 days ago

Yes definitely

mozz Admin , 4 days ago

Some YouTube channel said that it would take about 300,000 troops to realistically take Kharkiv, and they'd committed something like 30,000. It said without further explanation that "analysts" had guessed that it might be a feint to draw forces away from the real attack, in the east, but who knows. It might just be a doomed and pointless endeavor which was fated to penetrate a little into Ukraine and then get pushed back to the border without accomplishing anything, other than creating some corpses.

mozz Admin , 4 days ago

@return2ozma Question for you

What do you mean by "blue MAGA"? I mean I know it's the Democrats, but why that term specifically?

mozz Admin , 4 days ago (edited 4 days ago)

"Critiques"

Interesting

So other than responding disagreeably to a critique, what other features? Or just that?

I ask because this type of Hillary Clinton DNC-consultant crap you're screenshotting in this text message has been following Democrats around for quite a while now, consuming their money and providing only failure in return, but MAGA is kind of an incongruous term to use to describe it. Like when I think of MAGA I don't normally think of things like this; right?

mozz Admin , 4 days ago

Text polling, with a simple one-option-or-the-other answer, would actually be a lot more accurate than the way they do the polls in reality, I think.

I'm not saying that the polls are necessarily biased either for or against Biden, just that the methodology is so laughably poor that the polls don't particularly mean anything. I dug into this at some length a few days ago and found that for a handful of recent randomly selected elections, the polls were off by an average of 16 percentage points.

mozz Admin , 4 days ago (edited 4 days ago)

And the name is specifically designed to resonate in a particular way with the lizard-brain in a way that paints the message "These are the BAD group of people, everyone doesn't like them and shits on them with little nicknames, don't you want to be like everyone, and join us in hating on them too." It's inventive and creative (I mean, sort of) in a memorable way, and carelessly insulting, even though when you look at it, it doesn't make any fucking sense.

It just kinda stuck out to me. Like the post title wasn't "DNC is getting weird again" or "Oh God we're screwed in the fall aren't we" or "Didn't I just GIVE you some money" or anything like that, it was specifically inventing a new little mini-slur to pass around and for everyone to use, free of charge.

Like I say, it just kind of stuck out to me a little.

mozz Admin , 4 days ago

Interesting. I think it goes without saying that I don't think this text message is an example of defending any and all criticism of the Democratic Party.

I did a search through comments for the term "Blue MAGA." Most people aren't using it like you said. Most people are using it to refer to the Democrats in general; e.g.:

• "Or ask any Blue Maga what specific immigration reforms they want. They want the same thing, they just have minor disagreements on how to get there or even just aesthetics."
• "Democrats are just blue MAGA and the only option to fix this country is to burn it down."
• "lol blue maga is using red maga's scare tactics to get their favorite pants shitting geriatric to win a popularity contest."

... and so on. I was just curious, though. Carry on.

mozz Admin , 4 days ago

As far as I can tell, Ozma is redefining it here. The other Perfectly Legitimate Leftists aren't trying to make any distinction of a particular segment of the Democrats who are "blue MAGA"; they're just using the term to mean the Democrats are exactly the same as the Trump party and so there's no point voting for either of them.

That is, of course, insane. I think they're hoping it'll produce their desired result on the election through sheer repetition and weight of "emperor definitely has clothes" peer pressure, but who knows. Also, why Ozma is using it in his different way, who knows, although I have a theory.

mozz Admin , 4 days ago

How many text messages do you get from them, and how many posts have you made on lemmy.world evangelizing for your chosen viewpoint on the exact same issue in various ways, to try to spread it to others, and to disparage people who disagree with you?

Let's say the count of each one over the span of the last three days.

mozz Admin , 4 days ago

I think he just independently arrived at it on his own, with this very specific definition as applied to this one particular establishment segment of the Democratic Party, because he had really strong feelings created because all his pro-Democrats-winning-elections productive feedback was being short sightedly ignored. He's just trying to get through to them how important it is for them to start using more successful tactics to win the election and defeat Trump, because he totally thinks that's important and he's working hard to try to make it happen.

But then, independently, a whole different group of perfectly legitimate leftists invented the same term and started applying it (in front of a different audience with a somewhat different receptiveness level to transparent bullshit and groupthink), but using a different meaning and framing, which they also independently came up with, to encourage people to the totally different but still organically arrived at result of not wanting to vote for Joe Biden.

Or, wait, I'm not sure I think that. Now that I type it out it seems a little farfetched all put together. There must be some explanation, though.

mozz Admin , 4 days ago

How many blue MAGA ones, though, over the last three days? I can total up the posts of yours that I'd describe as clearly evangelical to your viewpoint, if you don't want to. IDK, maybe you should do it, since you might not agree with how I would categorize the evangelical ones.

mozz Admin , 4 days ago

MAGA tactics at this point means trying to destroy the machinery of democracy and use explicit violence to threaten with death or imprisonment judges, election workers, congresspeople, and anyone else who stands in their way of seizing power. Then, if they are able to regain power, going after any minority or vulnerable person at home or abroad that they can find, simply for the fun and pleasure of exercising cruelty.

The Republicans do send weird fundraising texts sometimes. But, that's not a new thing in American politics or what I would consider anywhere even in the neighborhood of a defining characteristics of MAGA. I think actually turning away from this kind of dogshit DC-consultancy politicking and fundraising and towards more effective and insidious news-media and social-media secret influence campaigns, and simple transfusions of vast infusions of dirty money from billionaires and foreign oligarchs, is more MAGA's style than this type of text message. Although, again, they do still send text messages, I'm sure.

I would define assigning insulting nicknames to your opponents, and repeating them even though they don't really correspond to reality even a little bit, to try this sort of middle-school level of influence to turn people away from your opponents (and apply a tag of "the enemy" in the eyes of your groupthinking followers) to be MAGA tactics, though.

mozz Admin , 4 days ago

It's not just Rust users

mozz Admin , 4 days ago

Dude I've had people on Lemmy tell me that I am wrong about the contents of my own mind.

I tell them, this is what I believe and why (and my arguments citations whatever)

And they say, no, obviously you're lying and you believe this other thing instead. And then they start digging through my history and constructing arguments and debating me on it.

Some instances I don't go on that much anymore

mozz Admin , 4 days ago (edited 4 days ago)

So after your first sentence, I was all ready to dig back through my comments to try to find it. It was absolutely baffling.

(Probably it would be sour grapes for me to dig up some old argument with somebody just so I can break it back out here, and say "THE MAN WAS WRONG, I TELL YOU, HE WAS WRONG, LOOK AT HIM AND HIS WRONG PLEASE EVERYBODY AGREE ABOUT IT")

mozz Admin , 4 days ago

You're overthinking it

Pass a law in a few places that the state legislature can overrule the state results for president

Those states are enough to pick the president we want

President then fires all federal law enforcement or administrative official who's not loyal to him, replaces them from the Project 2025 binders, and just announces deployment of the military in the US and that anyone who's against him is illegal and goes to prison or shot

Bingo bango. More direct, less complicated, more permanent, nationwide results. Your thinking was along the right lines but too rules-based. Takes too long. Not enough innovative enough within the current system.

mozz Admin , 4 days ago

Yeah. This year is go time. It's like the Fifth Element; it'll either take over, or else get sent away until the next thousand years, when it returns.

mozz Admin , 4 days ago

There is a little mini insurrection in the GOP primary (like 30% not voting for Trump even though he's clearly the nominee, or people saying they may not vote for Trump in the general election in a way that's pretty unusual).

That's not to say "oh let's relax, Trump definitely won't win." But people even on the right are figuring out he's a dangerous POS. The news likes to report the other kind of election coverage a lot more than this kind, so it's not real common to see stories about it, but it's happening in a real unusual way so far.

mozz Admin , 5 days ago

I think you want to just report the specific posts, and let the mods figure out if they want to take broader action against the account in general

mozz Admin , 5 days ago

Oh - got it. In that case I don't know but I hope someone gives you a good answer.

mozz Admin , 5 days ago

Pretty sure once you're killing hundreds per day it's reached stage 9. Stage 8, they've been at for decades now (occasional massacres for some, systematic semi-deadly oppression and isolation and exclusion for all with the threat of more at any time).

All of Palestine has been a ghetto since the wall went up in the 1990s.

mozz Admin , 4 days ago

I came here to say this.

Modern physics already gives special status to observer objects and properties that “non-observer” objects don’t have, and every universe needs to be defined from some particular point of view instead of “objectively” from outside. There are a couple other weird things but those are two big ones to me.

And so a physicist from the 2100s where physics is defined in relation to consciousness asks a modern physicist, so why did you think it was all just atoms and numbers in an “objective” universe?

And the modern physicist says what the fuck are you talking about don’t get all weird and religious on me

And the future physicist says okay dude good luck then

mozz Admin , 4 days ago (edited 4 days ago)

Why does the detector in the double slit experiment cause an interference pattern if its state depends on which slit the particle went through, but then it resets its internal state after, without transmitting the result?

mozz Admin , 5 days ago

And, the doctor may not have a choice. Even if they're asking for purely medical-history reasons, they may have to put the information into a system (according to their employer or insurance company or for their own records), and that system may be subject to information gathering from hostile parties.

mozz Admin , 5 days ago

Mother Jones, Al Jazeera, prospect.org, The Washington Post most of the time

New York Times and New Republic have taken on some sort of weird corruption recently, and thehill.com has fully embraced the darkness

mozz Admin , 5 days ago

If you want the quickie version of the bizarreness that the guy is talking about, without having to experience Broadcom's web site at full strength, you could do a lot worse than just to read the PDF. It's just... off. It replicates very effectively the experience of talking to a useless person at work.

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Download Software

1. Click My Downloads from the left navigation panel to open your available downloads.
2. Select the appropriate product to open the details view.
3. Select the specific release and click Add to add the specific software to the Download Manager.
   Note: This feature is not currently available for VMware products.
4. Proceed to the Download Manager to complete the download process.

Access the Download Manager

There are two ways to access the Download Manager:

• Click the Download History widget from the Home page.
• Click the arrow icon from the top navigation panel.

Find the appropriate product and select the preferred download method (HTTPS, SFTP, Token).

Q: Where is my product?

A: The My Downloads page is specific to the selected division. Click the division drop-down menu from the top navigation panel to select the appropriate division.

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So, to decide that you want to download new software, you go to "My Downloads." That's where you can add a product to the things that you can download. Then, to actually download it, you have to leave "My Downloads," and go instead to "Download History." Got it. But, make sure the right division is selected!

mozz Admin , 5 days ago

More Attorneys to Get Arrested

mozz Admin , 5 days ago

Meaning that you likely can't find that evidence, because the post is indeed an outrageously patronizing false generalization etc etc. 🙂

mozz Admin , 5 days ago

Some of them. In my direct experience, the number who've behaved that way is 0, though.

I think taking the worst of the police that are findable in a whole country's worth of bodycam footage, and then assigning blame to every single police person based on those people, makes about as much sense as a policeman putting on an "ASAB" patch for "all suspects are bastards," because a certain subset of the people he encounters are pieces of shit, and then deciding that every single person on the "other side" that he interacts with is the enemy.

I mean, some police do do that. I don't think they should. I don't think either that every single person who chooses to do a vitally necessary job for a living becomes the enemy the instant they decide to do that.

mozz Admin , 5 days ago

I don't think you can, in the long run.

I mean, I think the slide towards exploitation happens a lot more broadly than just exporting exploitation abroad because of falling profits. There's also exploitation at home, there's also corruption of the agencies that would prevent pollution or other externalities, things like that -- I think the tendency for powerful people to hijack the system and try to exploit everyone else any way they can will happen with or without falling profits, and it's pretty much constant. More or less you could say that any system that can exercise power, and that's made of people, will tend towards evil if you don't watch it and keep it in check.

I feel like the American system resisted the slide for a couple of generations after FDR. I feel like China and the USSR got hijacked by the evil elements almost instantly, though -- I don't feel like pointing to the evil of the US and then saying we'll do a communist system will fix it is demonstrated to be the answer. I feel like the problem is the evil, not like "oh we'll set up the system according to X Y Z system and then we won't have to worry anymore, because it won't be evil." People will always find a way over time.

How you prevent that, I have no idea. Maybe education is part of the answer (which is why co-opting education is priority 1 for almost any evil takeover of a previously ok government), maybe having a steady flow of immigrant population so that people don't get complacent after multi generations of existing in a system that's set up for them, and think they don't have to worry. I don't really know the full answer though.

mozz Admin , 5 days ago

I didn't quite mean theory; I meant more the thinking of someone who would support Biden's domestic record so far. Reading theory sometimes isn't a good way to judge a politician because a lot of times (most of the time) the actions don't match the theory.

I meant more, you're well versed in the details of Biden's actions during his first term, in order to speak on his record -- impact of the infrastructure bill, the CHIPS act, details of how marijuana legalization played out, major labor actions and how his changes at the NLRB impacted the actions at the UAW, Starbucks, Amazon, and the writer's strike. Things like that?

mozz Admin , 5 days ago

Don't forget, took climate change seriously for the first time a US politician has ever done that, and made a huge priority to pass a massive climate bill that is predicted to reduce emissions by 40% by 2030. It's too late, but that's not Biden's fault, and he started working on it practically the instant he got in office.

mozz Admin , 5 days ago

Correct. How will you determine if they're the same if you don't examine the practice?

Why would it even make sense to decide that Biden's a liberal, if you haven't analyzed his actions and determined that they match with liberal theory? Maybe he's a fascist. Maybe he's neither. How would you know which one?

mozz Admin , 5 days ago

In what ways? Like how has Biden worsened imperialism? I'm genuinely asking; I feel like I've said enough at this point about some of the good things that Biden has done in my viewpoint.

mozz Admin , 5 days ago

Okay, my response to that would be circling back to my earlier question about, when has it worked out that way? In what country has this been tried and had a good impact?

I'm not trying to just keep asking over and over even though it seems like you don't want to answer that question -- so you can treat it as a rhetorical question, I guess. It's just that that's the way I look at things. As you said, if the theory doesn't match the practice, then one or the other is wrong. I do think you have to look at the practice. In socialism or communism or capitalism, there are generally big elements of the practice that don't match the theory.

I didn't say socialism was more prone to corruption than capitalism. I said that the USSR and China showed themselves way more prone to takeover by non-benevolent forces than the US. It wasn't a general statement about socialism in general... probably, if you look back in history, you'll be able to find examples of when socialism and communism were set up well and worked well. I mean, a lot of FDR's things were socialism (big government programs to employ people, so that the "ownership" of the entity doing the production was a democratic government instead of private industry, and then providing health care to people according to their needs instead of what they can afford). And look, it was fuckin fantastic. But I'm asking you what elements or models you would like to use. It's not a gotcha. I mean, I am kind of trying to make a point, yes. But also, partly, I'm genuinely asking, and you seem like you're treating it as some kind of hostile or irrelevant question.

It seems like you're holding up the theory of communism, according to communists, and comparing it to the practice of capitalism. Of course capitalism's gonna look way worse, because capitalism has some big problems. I am saying, we should look at the practice (and, sure, the theory) of both and find things that work and then do those things, and also see if we can improve on them, instead of only the theory. And in particular, I think that history shows that setting up a centrally-controlled economy, because then the ultimate-authority central planners can make sure everything's set up fairly for everybody, has oftentimes worked out way worse than even the pretty significant evils of unchecked capitalism. Would you agree with that, or you think it didn't happen that way?

mozz Admin , 5 days ago

Interesting

I think I am largely done, I'm not trying to go back and forth with you forever.

To me, it seems like this definition of imperialism doesn't match with what you were saying earlier (being mainly about economic exploitation of the global south)... I mean, unless do you count China as part of the global south? Certainly sending weapons to Israel isn't a good thing, but it's not really an explicitly economic one, and he's done more to break away from the US's longstanding alliance with Israel than any other recent president. IDK, not that any of that excuses sending them a bunch of fucking weapons and providing them cover at the UN.

I don't think the recent tariffs on China are at all the most noteworthy thing Biden has done global-trade-wise. I feel honestly like you're just including that because it's been in the news recently. Probably Biden's most impactful action on megacorps overall was the 15% minimum corporate tax which e.g. practically doubled Amazon's taxes, which revenue he used to boost domestic manufacturing, all of which is the exact opposite of imperialism as you previously defined it.

IDK man. Like I say I sorta lost my motivation for the back and forth. I was just curious about your viewpoint and I enjoy a certain amount of this type of debate / discussion.

mozz Admin , 5 days ago

You already agreed that the USSR and PRC were vast improvements on their previous systems

What? When did I say that? I didn't say that.

I think that the standard of living increased dramatically in both, as scientific advances that provide standard of living became more widely distributed worldwide, and I think their previous systems were pretty abysmal. But I think they chose the wrong model for how to centralize a strong government and create an economy that works for all their people -- the benefit of any central planning that accelerated their industrialization was dwarfed by the nightmare of having a single strong central government that can kill millions of its people at the drop of a hat or throw them in prison for literally just a single sentence when they spoke the wrong thing.

I don't think that the fact that they came from feudalism and so therefore there were aspects of coming into the modern world and some form of modern government, that were good things, means that the model they chose was at all the right one, and I don't think that's a good argument for moving the US from its current state to a similar model.

I disagree with your analysis that central planning has worked out way worse than Capitalism, and want to know why you say that.

I didn't say central planning has always worked out worse than capitalism. Like I said, a lot of FDR's reforms were centrally planned, and they were great.

The specific examples I brought up were how it's worked in the only two huge countries like the US that have tried a fully communist economic model (and the central control of the country that necessarily seems like it goes along with it). What they got was gulags, cultural revolution, Tienanmen, great firewall of China, mass starvation in both countries (because of mismanagement, which is very very different from the earlier mass starvations that were caused by crop failures or war), modern Russia after the total unsustainability of the USSR system led to a total collapse, Uyghur re-education camps.

Yes, the US does lesser versions of all of the above that are still to a level that's horrifying. I think we should fix those things when the US does them. But I think treating those even worse outcomes as non-events, because in theory the system that produced them has some good features, is a mistake.

mozz Admin , 5 days ago

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0.7% of the US population is in jail or prison, which is a shockingly high percentage unworthy of a modern wealthy country, and a testament to the barbaric nature of our system.

The Gulag in 1950 housed 2.5 million people, after it received a huge influx of returning veterans whose only crime was having been exposed to the reality of the western world which the USSR didn’t want the population to be allowed to know about. They got sentences like 10 or 20 years. The total population of the USSR at the time was about 178 million, meaning the Gulag housed 1.4% of the population.

And this was a type of imprisonment which was sadistic beyond the wildest wet dreams of Joe Arpaio or Stephen Miller. Of the 18 million people who ever interacted with the Gulag during its full implementation lifetime, almost 10% died there, or shortly after their release.

Idk what’s going on at lemmy.ml to give you the picture of the world you have received, but they have done you a disservice. Idk dude. I tried.

mozz Admin , 5 days ago

Even at the peak of the USSR's incarcerations, they were lower in number both per capita and in total than the US Prison system.

This you?

I'm honestly not fishing for a gotcha. I'm fishing to talk some sense into you.

I think you're making statements without caring whether they're true (just basing them on whether they feel right to you), and shifting your definitions around, and refusing to clarify what you mean or the details of what you're advocating. IDK, man, if me trying to pin you down on what you mean or poke holes in what you're saying comes across as hostile, then I apologize. That's just kind of my way of speaking sometimes.

But overall, I think you have succumbed to this sort of groupthink that makes you think that things make sense when they don't or when there are significant flaws in them. Now you're falling back on accusing me of saying it has to play out like the USSR, when I said multiple times that it doesn't, and I guess implying that I don't like socialism when I listed some great socialist things already. I think you don't want to "lose" the conversation and are just kind of twisting things around to be able to accuse me of being wrong.

IDK man. Like I say, I tried. Good talk.

mozz Admin , 5 days ago

You haven't answered my questions and constantly duck and weave.

Have I not answered questions? What haven't I answered? I'm happy to go back and address things if you feel like I evaded something.

Here, I'll extend an olive branch. I can list several things, and you can tell me where you disagree.

Capitalism has the following flaws:

Sure.

1. Ownership of Capital by individuals results in a class conflict between Workers and Owners, resulting in a tumultuous society

Agree

2. Production of commodities for profit rather than use results in products designed to make profits rather than fulfill uses, ie enshittification

Agree

3. Capitalism cannot exist forever because of the Tendency for the Rate of Profit to Fall, which leads to Imperialism and eventually fascism and collapse

I mean, a building can't last forever because of its tendency to decay and fall apart, but then if you maintain it properly, it's fine, for long enough to be useful.

I think this is the core of our disagreement: I would agree about the tendency, but not the inevitability. Like I said, I think that particular elements (strong labor unions and a strong-in-practice democratic government) can constrain capitalism to where it functions well and gives a good world to the people connected to it, but doesn't take over and become a destructive force (as it is today to a large extent).

It sounds like you're saying that the flaws are unfixable and so capitalism has to be rejected in order to make a good system. Which, I mean maybe, but in my mind that's unproven.

It also sounds like you're saying that because of these flaws, we need to replace capitalism specifically with communism or socialism and asserting that it'll be better. Which again, I mean maybe, but it seems like you're being consistently evasive about the details of what that would mean (either through details or a historical example), which makes it conveniently easy to hold up the theory of how wonderful it could be, against the actual reality of how capitalism is in practice, and assert that of course it would work better than capitalism in practice, because capitalism has these problems.

mozz Admin , 5 days ago

It's pretty clear by my wording that I was referring to when they were contemporaries, not the peak right after WWII to modern US, lol. Again, silliness.

Oh -- and I'm really trying not to get caught up in this extended back-and-forth over individual details because super fine details are not the point, but saying the USSR's incarcerations at their peak were lower than contemporary US imprisonment is even sillier. In 1940, the US had 0.2% of its people in prison, which is an actually-reasonable level for a decent country, and lower than the USSR's before-WW2-fucked-the-demographics level of 0.7% (1.5 million in prison out of 194 million people), which is equal to the US's peak of 0.7% and lower than its current level (I was wrong - it's dropped to 0.5% now, which is still of course way too much).

The skyrocketing of prison population from 0.2% to 0.7% happened pretty quickly, from 1980 to 2008, under the great neoliberal enfuckening of the country that was the end of the millennium. It's been going back down, slightly, since then.

I would like the system in the US to be back again more like the one that had the 0.2% that had lasted for 204 years up until that point, and work from there to make more justice at home and abroad. You could say that Reagan and Clinton are inevitable final stages of the system that no amount of safeguard can prevent, and there's no way to improve it within its parameters. I mean, maybe. But I still think it's reasonable to ask, okay even in that case what is the system we will do instead, that will prevent Reagan or Clinton from being replaced with a new Stalin (or, because of lukewarm support for the liberals from "pure" leftists, a Trump -- which is exactly how it happened in pre-Nazi Germany that led to Hitler) who will then make the days of "welfare to work" and 0.7% in prison look like wonderful happy days.

mozz Admin , 5 days ago

I feel like we're going in circles

Yes, I understand

My question is (1) why can't labor unions fight back against that tendency indefinitely, if given enough power to demand a reasonable share of the extra value of their labor (2) why is socialism guaranteed to get rid of that issue in practice; where has this been tried and worked out that way in reality to make sure it matches the theory

mozz Admin , 4 days ago

This is some spicy historical revisionism, haha. Liberals sided with the fascists in Nazi Germany, not the other way around.

Hm? Maybe I'm misunderstanding something. Here, look, I'll cite my super professional research.

• "The Social Democrats and Communists were bitterly divided and unable to formulate an effective solution: this gave the Nazis their opportunity"
• "By now the SA had 400,000 members and its running street battles with the SPD and Communist paramilitaries (who also fought each other)"
• "Under Comintern directives, the Communists maintained their policy of treating the Social Democrats as the main enemy, calling them 'social fascists', thereby splintering opposition to the Nazis."
• "Later, both the Social Democrats and the Communists accused each other of having facilitated Hitler's rise to power by their unwillingness to compromise."

Etc etc and so on. I don't think that there exists a far left in recognized US politics in the same way there was an official communist party in Germany. But I definitely see parallels between Lemmy leftists who don't want to support the Democrats against Trump, and German Communists who wanted to pick fights with the SPD (and, sure, vice versa) instead of uniting with them against Hitler.

The SPD, at least, united towards the end with the Center Party and the DVP to support Hindenburg for chancellor as a last attempt to stop Hitler, but by then it was sort of too late anyway; the main damage had already been done. Hindenburg's death hastened the process of Hitler taking over, but it was pretty much in the cards one way or another from 1932 on.

Are you talking about the SPD supporting Hindenburg as siding with the fascists? I think they only did that because the alternative would be Hitler. Or what do you mean?

Mind sharing some numbers?

Sure.

• Incarceration rates in the US showing the 0.2% or lower rate up until 1980, and then the skyrocket to 0.683% by 2000
• USSR population before and after the war
• Gulag population figures; 1.5 million in 1940 means 0.7% of the USSR's 194 million population, and 1.5-1.7 million dead out of 18 million total who passed through the system means almost 10% fatality rate for being imprisoned there

mozz Admin , 4 days ago

So the Social Democrats did side with the Nazis instead of leftists, got it.

What are you talking about?

mozz Admin , 4 days ago

Rather than joining up with the leftists, they sided with the fascists

They did battle with the fascists in the streets, and once the Nazis were clearly on the verge of seizing power, they allied with their enemies in government to get behind Hindenburg to try to stop it from happening.

The "rather then joining up with the leftists" part of it is accurate. Of course, the converse is also true -- rather than joining up with the SPD, the leftists did battle with the SPD, called the SPD the main enemy, and even as late as the presidental election in 1932, were still running their own candidate, splintering off 13.1% of the vote away from Hindenburg, meaning that Hindenburg squeaked into office on a weakened mandate and Hitler was the de facto man in charge even before Hindenburg's death. And, all the while and after, the KPD kept insisting that it was all the SPD's fault.

It was the last election many of the far left people saw, since they died in the camps before the next election came, years and years later under allied occupation. It is of course impossible to know whether the ones who died in the camps still felt it was the SPD's fault.

If you live in the US, you might get a chance to see how this all operates firsthand, from inside whatever the modern version of the camps is. You can of course argue that it's someone else's fault, and they should have compromised with you, instead of the other way around. Who knows, there's an argument that you'd be right (and that Biden shouldn't have alienated all the anti-genocide people). Of course, if that happens, your argument of course won't mean shit in terms of saving you (or saving any Palestinian population which is suffering ten times worse under Trump's administration than it was under the one you're currently criticizing, although your criticism has perfect validity.)

I have spent as much time as I want to spend trying to talk sense into you.