bartolomeo

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bartolomeo ,

Usually The Onion is prescient but...

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/11/business/harvard-israel-hamas-ceos-students/index.html

bartolomeo ,

It kind of is:

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/11/business/harvard-israel-hamas-ceos-students/index.html

bartolomeo ,

https://suppo.fi/pictrs/image/09342542-00bd-4061-8018-cad2d0732db0.jpeg

bartolomeo ,

https://suppo.fi/pictrs/image/76e12408-a0db-45f0-bbe3-cb95af3d2111.jpeg

bartolomeo ,

News media keeps painting "Americans can't afford _____ anymore" as "Americans choose to forego _____".

Outside Groups Spent $285,000 Backing Jamaal Bowman. AIPAC Alone Just Dropped Nearly $2 Million to Attack Him. ( theintercept.com )

The American Israel Public Affairs Committee’s super PAC has launched its first ads attacking Rep. Jamaal Bowman in the Democratic primary in New York’s 16th Congressional District. The ads claim that Bowman “has his own agenda” and refuses to work with President Joe Biden....

bartolomeo ,

Israel is like the panicking drowning person and the US is the person that gets drowned trying to save them.

bartolomeo OP ,

So it's a justified genocide then?

bartolomeo ,

What's the credibility of mediabiasfactcheck.com?

Secret Hamas Files Show How It Spied on Everyday Palestinians ( www.nytimes.com )

The Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar has for years overseen a secret police force in Gaza that conducted surveillance on everyday Palestinians and built files on young people, journalists and those who questioned the government, according to intelligence officials and a trove of internal documents reviewed by The New York Times....

bartolomeo ,

I know they were funded in part by Israel to destroy Palestinian unity and give Israel an excuse to kill more Palestinians and take their land, but was Hamas really created by Israel?

bartolomeo ,

Apparently if you think the murder of a boy from hundreds of yards away is wrong, you're "pro-Hamas". They're really working hard to make Hamas look like the good guys.

bartolomeo ,

Not only do they make Hamas look like the good guys, Israel has put the world into a position where Iran, a nation run by theocratic despots who brutalize women and sponsor terror, is the calmer actor in international missle attacks!

bartolomeo ,

I'm sure the bees are fine, IDF usually go for easy, bigger targets:

https://suppo.fi/pictrs/image/2f2f53f3-76b3-431e-86d3-455814a83842.jpeg

bartolomeo ,

https://www.marcuse.org/herbert/publications/1960s/1969-essay-on-liberation.html

Thanks for the recommendation!

bartolomeo ,

https://theintercept.com/2023/11/28/israel-palestine-history-peace/

bartolomeo ,

There's a difference between Jews and "the Jews". Your comment is not at all incorrect but it doesn't apply to the comment you responded to.

Some of the Israeli Jews that are commiting genocide right now are decendents of Holocaust survivors, so I would say the irony is definitely there.

bartolomeo ,

Netanyahu's policies are Judaism, right?

/s

bartolomeo ,

Saying, for instance, that “the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor” would be deemed anti-Semitic under its terms. The definition also bars any comparison between “contemporary Israeli policy” and “that of the Nazis”.

Lmao this is a guilty conscience talking.

bartolomeo ,

Ackman is a Jewish supremacist.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2024/jan/03/bill-ackman-billionaire-attacks-claudine-gay-harvard-twitter-x

bartolomeo ,

Israel's PR is called hasbara and can be defined as

Israel's efforts to communicate directly with citizens of other nations to inform and influence their perceptions, with the aim of garnering support or tolerance for the Israeli government's strategic objectives.

and this takes the form of people trying to manipulate the public discourse to suit a political agenda, often done on social media.

In the current western political climate, hasbara is used to minimize and / or justify Israel's occupation and genocide in Palestine, and to excuse or ignore Israel's blatant and egregious violations of human rights and international law.

Some examples from social media platforms:

Twitter notes

Hasbara App

Facebook

Facebook again

Massive (and distasteful) ad campaign on X and YouTube

Hasbara is used not only on the platform level, but also in person-to-person online communication. Hasbara is a form of propaganda, so logical consistency is not required, as you can see in this recent example of someone arguing in the style of hasbara right here on Lemmy:

I would personally reject this deal.

The Palestinian people do not deserve to live under the rule of Hamas. In 19 years of living under Hamas, after all the money given to them by the US, France, the UK, Qatar, Iran, and even Israel, the only thing they built for the Palestinian people has been tunnels to commit terrorism from.

then when people pointed out the complete inaccuracy of the statement, the commenter pivoted to

Building tunnels as the sole piece of infrastructure for your people is the sole response to a 30 year genocide?

I don’t think that is true, and I don’t believe you think that is true either. It sounded good when you said it though, and I’m sure it felt even better.

Here we can see several hasbara strategies- the commenter feigns concern for Palestine (deception), uses bad faith arguments which are completely made up, moves the goalposts, projects, contradicts themselves, and then tries to gaslight the other person when they get called out.

A hasbara agent tries to keep the other commenter(s) busy defending themselves or correcting the hasbara agent's ridiculous statements and accusations, so that the original point is forgotten and the hasbara agent's own dishonest (and often narcissistic) behviour is never addressed.

Some manipulation tactics that are characteristic of hasbara are

  • bad faith arguments

  • false accusations

  • straw man fallacy

  • moving goal posts

  • deceptive distraction (answering an honest question with a loaded question)

  • hypocrisy (especially accusing people of putting words in their mouth, being dishonest, or using any of these listed manipulation tactics while accusing the other party of doing so)

  • victimization

  • gaslighting

  • aggression

  • projecting

  • astroturfing

  • "counter-protesting"

Hasbara in it's current form is a method of psychological manipulation ranging from propaganda to historical denialism to calls to violence against obstacles to the Israeli government's strategic objectives (e.g. "there are no innocents in Gaza").

Fortunately Lemmy users are usually smart enough to downvote hasbara posts and comments to signal their falsehood, but since hasbara comments spread misinformation, aid human rights violations, and attempt to radicalize people, they should be treated as the abuse they are and reported, blocked, downvoted etc.

bartolomeo ,

Weed.

(This is my 1,000th comment on Lemmy!)

bartolomeo ,

Herzl's Mauschel and Zionist antisemitism

An insane document from the founder of Zionism.

bartolomeo ,

The public vs private argument seems applicable, but a very important aspect is keeping the counter-protesters civil:

Private security guards with bikes separated the pro-Palestinian group from Israel supporters, and UCLA eventually added metal barricades after counter-protesters repeatedly tried to breach the encampment and in at least one case witnessed by The Times entered and shoved a woman to the ground.

Unlike at Northeastern.

Creating fear of losing your job or school place, stifling free speech for political gain, and gaslighting are psychological abuse and are used frequently in hasbara.

bartolomeo ,

Aaaand Block is stepping down. Crazy how much behind-the-scenes power the Israel lobby has, and little they regard anyone but themselves.

‘Like a war zone’: Emory University grapples with fallout from police response to protest | US universities ( www.theguardian.com )

The university’s response was likely the quickest show of police force in response to a divestment protest among the dozens nationwide that have occurred in recent weeks. It was also probably the only one where pepper balls, stun guns and rubber bullets were used against students, faculty and community members – at one of...

bartolomeo ,

Israel would strip Americans of their rights and destroy social order for their own political gain. Some ally.

bartolomeo ,

Not so fun fact about Ariel Sharon and the massacre at Sabra and Shatila:

As Minister of Defense, he directed the 1982 Lebanon War. An official enquiry found that he bore "personal responsibility" for the Sabra and Shatila massacre of Palestinian refugees, for which he became known as the "Butcher of Beirut" among Arabs.

He later became the 11th prime minister of Israel.

bartolomeo ,

The video footage, originally posted on X by Working Mass, a Democratic Socialists of America media outlet covering Massachusetts, reveals two Jewish students holding an Israeli flag shouted the “Kill the Jews” after pro-Palestine demonstrators conducted a “mic check” — a call and response technique used to focus attention on an organizer.

The two pro-Israel counter protesters then asked the pro-Palestinian demonstrators if they agreed, saying “anybody on board; anybody for that?” The crowd of pro-Palestine protesters immediately started shouting and booing over them.

“You just chanted for it,” the pro-Israel counter protesters can be heard saying.

Gaslighting is psychological abuse and is used frequently in hasbara.

bartolomeo ,

Of course NYT got awarded.

https://newyorkwarcrimes.com/how-to-make-a-genocide-disappear

bartolomeo ,

It's so vulgar to make fun of someone's English online. They might not be a native speaker and these kinds of comments can be hurtful and discouraging.

bartolomeo , (edited )

Was it Rachel Corrie?

Edit: there's a foundation in her name

https://rachelcorriefoundation.org/event/movies-that-matter-occupation-101

bartolomeo ,

Idk about neo-Nazis but that's not true of Israel.

bartolomeo ,

The Israeli version is

"Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty."

bartolomeo ,

This is like the "there are some responsible assault rifle owners" argument. Although corporations are not required by law to maximize investor returns, CEO "compensation" is often tied to "performance" so the incentives of those with the most decision power make it de facto required to maximize returns to investors. That's why Musk needed to convince his board of directors (who are there to represent the best interests of the share holders) to approve some ridiculous pay package. His "performance" in their eyes is proportional to share holder profits so if they're happy, he gets his absurd pay package, which is why his incentive is to maximize profits for shareholders by any means necessary.

bartolomeo ,

Not because, no. I think it's greed.

bartolomeo ,

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/14/former-treasury-secretary-mnuchin-is-putting-together-an-investor-group-to-buy-tiktok.html

It's a big club, and you ain't in it.

bartolomeo ,

It's crazy because all these people saying that "genocide is bad" is antisemitic are really saying that Jews have a genetic predisposition toward commiting genocide, which is actually really fucking antisemitic.

In case anyone's still unclear:

Disliking someone because they are Jewish is antisemitic.

Disliking someone because they are commiting genocide is actually a good thing.

bartolomeo ,

The double standard is that in this case, they say "calls for violence and physical intimidation targeting Jewish students and the Jewish community are blatantly antisemitic, unconscionable, and dangerous”, while in this case

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/12/business/harvard-doxxing-truck-israel-hamas-statement/index.html

no action was taken, and later Claudine Gay resigned. What's ironic though is that with the doxxing truck

The University’s Hillel, its Jewish student organization, condemned the billboard truck and attempts to intimidate signatories.

“Harvard Hillel strongly condemns any attempts to threaten and intimidate co-signatories of the Palestine Solidarity Committee’s statement, including the bus on campus displaying the names and faces of students affiliated with the groups who have signed it,” the organization said in a statement posted on its website.

The OP article is about antisemitism and it looks like Zionists use of Jews as human shields is working.

bartolomeo ,

Oh you poor leftist, beholden to facts and history. Join the right, be free from the shackles of reality and coherence!

bartolomeo ,

So then what was this about?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

Did it not create a Jewish state and an Arab state i.e. Israel and Palestine?

bartolomeo ,

So why does Israel exist?

bartolomeo ,

If you can't say something nice [about Israel] don't say anything at all.

bartolomeo ,

"Best I can do is more sanctions on Iran, but hey, I'll throw in some sanctions on Venezuela too".

bartolomeo ,

Just as the Tories (and investors) intended.

bartolomeo ,

Republican governors from six states have issued a statement warning residents against unionization

Ah yes, the "get the government out of your life" guys are once again getting directly into your life, from their seat in... the government.

bartolomeo ,

Israel wants to draw the U.S. into a war with Iran. This has been cooking for a long time.

bartolomeo ,

It's definitely a hasbara account. Inspired me to post:

https://suppo.fi/post/2126458

Pirate Site FMovies Rivals Major Streaming Platforms in U.S. Web Traffic ( torrentfreak.com )

Every month, many millions of Americans visit pirate streaming site FMovies to bypass paid subscription services and watch movies and TV series for free. The platform is a thorn in the side of the movie industry and a prime exhibit in the quest for local site-blocking measures. According to SimilarWeb's Top 10 chart of U.S....

bartolomeo ,

Why are they all trying to get labor for free then? They love free!

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