RetroGaming

Nerdybynature , in Nothing was off-limits for retro game ads
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Honestly, might be nostalgic for guys, but as a girl who was playing games in this era, it made me feel like I wasn’t a part of the culture, rarely if ever were there ads marketed towards me, but man were there a lot of half naked ladies. Glad we don’t do this as much, but god this caused a lot of younger girls to feel ashamed of playing games “for boys”.

Daxtron2 ,

It really sucks looking at the detrimental effect this had on gender ratios in gaming to this day. It's gotten a lot better but it's still not there yet.

Kit ,

Yeah, we need to level the playing field by having half naked sexy guys on the cover of games. ^please

vox ,
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🤤

Daxtron2 ,

I'm ok with that

cupcakezealot ,
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looking in your direction, clive rosfield

p03locke ,

Like Fabio? Pretty much any depiction of a barbarian is some muscular dude wearing only a loincloth and his broadsword.

chicken ,

Doubt that's going to be enough, I think if you want to make a sexually objectifying 90s magazine ad that appeals to female nerds you're going to have to break out the homoerotic innuendos

TwilightVulpine ,

People used to bring up Kratos in these discussions but before these new games he seemed far more likely to bite someone's face off than to kiss anyone. There's a difference.

pickman_model ,

Fair

molochthagod ,

I'd rather we stop sexualizing characters altogether. If anything, it's silly and makes it more difficult to take them seriously.

TwilightVulpine ,

I think there is space for both sexualized and non-sexualized characters, as long as they are treated evenly. This is entertainment, they don't need to be all business serious.

I dread that in trying to be perfectly respectable, the medium might err to the side of prudishness and sexual repression.

BigMikeInAustin ,

After a woman says she doesn't like being sexualized, your response is to not worry because the sexualization of women will continue, but you'll start to sexualize men, too?

agent_flounder ,
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I can imagine. I'm glad this is less prevalent now. Seeing it now in middle age makes me go ick. I wished I had been much more aware of this kind of sexism as a boy.

xyzzy ,

I was a senior in high school at the time and even back then I thought this kind of advertising was crass, gross, and unnecessary. No nostalgia here, just second-hand embarrassment.

ShustOne ,

Yeah as a boy I didn't like these either. They were sexy but made me feel a little weird. I was young enough not to realize it was targeting only boys, but now that I'm older I think that's why I didn't like them. I wasn't in to sex at the time.

molochthagod ,

The weird thing is, as a guy, I never even paid attention to the sexualized stuff in games. To me these are like two different brain activities. So, as far as I'm concerned, there was never any point in this kind of marketing. I've never in my life purchased a game because it featured sexy ladies.

otp ,

It's supposed to be subconscious, like with most marketing. It hits the animal part of the brain, rather than the thinking part.

Empricorn ,

It's not really nostalgic for me, TBH. It's actually kind of embarrassing that marketing like this existed and that it worked. I love T&A as much as the next female-loving guy, but ads like this are condescending. But again, they sold units...

otp ,

There were lots of half-naked men, too. Including in this ad.

Most of them in games were more male fantasy stuff...ripped, shirtless dudes with big weapons. Not really appealing to most women, but checks the "I want to BE him" aspect for lots of guys, lol

BigMikeInAustin ,

Are you really out here in public view still trying to use the "not all men" to tell a woman her feelings are invalid?

desconectado ,

How does that comment invalidate the previous one? If anything it actually reinforces it. Are you just looking for an excuse to shame someone?

otp ,

No, I was supporting the previous comment. The idea that the ads were mostly about "male fantasy", and probably wouldn't be (positively) nostalgic for most women gamers.

TwilightVulpine ,

Yeah, but that is just another facet of marketing for men. Sexy dress-up vs tighty whities. Definitely not intended to get women interested.

kromem ,

Yeah. Even just around a decade ago I'd explain the demographics shift to more women gamers to clients and they'd not believe it.

Stereotypes stick around for a long time, even when (or maybe especially when) untrue.

It's a shame that "girl gamers" were considered such a rarity when it really seemed like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

"Oh, a game with only male protagonists with activities only primarily associated with boys doesn't have many girls playing it? I guess girls aren't that into games and we should double down on the focus on dudes."

As a result, the market effectively abandoned around half of two generations of a potential continued audience and had a significantly reduced pool of interested labor to make games.

It's a bit frustrating given my love for games that they could likely have advanced even further had it not been an exclusionary industry for as long as it was (though that can be said about pretty much every business vertical in existence too given our generalized collective history of exclusion).

Maalus , in Nothing was off-limits for retro game ads

The Rayman one was great, "small man, huge features" iirc :d

BigBananaDealer ,
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and he was at a urinal right?

yesman , in Nothing was off-limits for retro game ads

This kind of marketing ruined gaming culture.

There is a throughline between gendered marketing; the idea that young hetero men owned gaming; and chud gaming culture like gamergate.

The idea of the young horny gamer dude is sexist toward men too. Never mind the accompanying stereotypes of gamers as loosers and nerds.

cupcakezealot ,
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cough big bang theory

p03locke ,

Nerd blackface.

Kolanaki , in Have video games become expensive now?
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They're more expensive than they were 15 years ago, but are not more expensive than they were 30 years ago.

I remember my dad paid like $120 for fuckin' Dr. Mario on the NES when it was brand new. Meanwhile, up until a few years ago, I had enjoyed spending no more than $50 for a brand new title. Now, depending on platform, it's between $60 and $70. Though I see the new NHL game is $99 and as far as I could tell, that was the base game not even a collector edition thing. It also shows NHL23, one I own, for the same price. I got it for $10 at GameStop used lol

SoleInvictus ,
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Same, my parents forked out $85 for Final Fantasy 6. That's nearly $180 US now when adjusting for inflation.

DarthBueller ,

Why did Dr Mario cost $120?!? I never saw SNES games costing that much. Sounds more like Neo Geo game prices from what I remember.

Mango , in Have video games become expensive now?

No. They've become free and bad with no option of making them better with money.

CurlyMoustache , in Nothing was off-limits for retro game ads
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p03locke ,

That's not an ad. That's just some cosplayer showing off her muff.

CurlyMoustache ,
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No, no, no, this was from 2008 and the "release" of the new LC model: https://www.ign.com/articles/2008/08/15/lara-croft-i-presume

They actually went with this photo (and others), but have since moderated themselves

WarmSoda ,

Holy shit you're spot on.
She'd be teenage me's dream Chung Li.

Edit; adult me would be fine with it too

samus12345 , in Nothing was off-limits for retro game ads
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I thought they were cringy even then.

BeardedGingerWonder ,

I was hitting puberty, this was prime material

jordanlund , in Nothing was off-limits for retro game ads
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The_Picard_Maneuver OP ,
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Oh my god, this is dark.

kratoz29 ,

Bro, using ads in the graveyards this is new for me...

I bet this will make a comeback...

ArmoredThirteen ,
jaschen ,

Please be the onion....

Odo ,

Sorry, but Acclaim really was that wild for a bit there. They also had a promotion where you'd get a free copy of one of the Turok games if you named a newborn child after him. For what it's worth, I don't think anyone took them up on either offer, but it certainly brought in the publicity.

MrScottyTay ,

I currently work with someone who worked with acclaim back then and Virgin at one point too. The stories he tells me of some of the game Devs of the time. Insane. Some of them Devs still exist to this day and knowing what happened behind closed doors I have no idea how they got more business.

sir_pronoun ,

I feel that you owe us some anonymous gossip now.

MrScottyTay , (edited )

One UK based dev that worked on some edgy PC games had a "Red Room" at their offices that was purely there for them to take drugs and trip inside. It was just a room completely painted in red.

sir_pronoun ,

Haha you aren't disappointing

blackluster117 ,
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This would've been great for a game like DOOM.

cupcakezealot ,
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[Here lies your loved one]

"Ah! Fresh meat! Journey into Tristram and see what the Butcher is up to today!"

MonkderZweite ,

Best played with a DeathAdder mouse.

kromem ,

Hahaha, yeah, that one was great.

Also the one where they paid parents to name their baby 'Turok.'

I sometimes wonder what those little Turoks are up to today (at least a half dozen parents took them up on it IIRC).

The shock advertising campaigns around games really were something. They worked - got a ton of free media coverage. But this was also at the time that video games were the Boogeyman like rock n' roll had been to a generation before. The media loved nothing more than a "look how terrible video games are" story and PR firms were playing into that environment.

So campaigns like this were basically the equivalent of Ozzy Osbourne biting the head off a bat.

As games became more normalized, the campaigns shifted accordingly and - like Ozzy - tamed quite a bit out.

CraigeryTheKid , in Nothing was off-limits for retro game ads

but why is he wearing a diaper?

bec ,
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No kinkshaming please...

_dev_null ,
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Do not use a black light in that room.

dual_sport_dork , in Nothing was off-limits for retro game ads
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I'm still waiting for John Romero to make us all his bitch.

RightHandOfIkaros ,

He can't do it without his friend Superfly.

JoMiran , in Nothing was off-limits for retro game ads
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Since she's a a Tomb Raider, a dungeon crawler, a spelunker, does that mean he wants her to peg him? Color me interested.

Kolanaki , in Nothing was off-limits for retro game ads
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My favorite old school game ad is one for Quake 3 Arena:

https://yiffit.net/pictrs/image/f8b01b43-1b8d-4ac0-a302-0cf2110d08e4.jpeg

Deceptichum ,
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Is that a toilet chair?

Dran_Arcana ,

"The tryhard poopsock"

Kolanaki ,
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It's one of those things, yes.

frezik ,

And people make fun of that one ad where John Romero was going to make us all his bitch.

Kolanaki ,
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To be fair, Daikatana sucked so the ad is mostly funny in retrospect because it didn't make everyone his bitch. If it had, I'm not sure we'd be making fun of it.

fluxion ,

Im still a little bit miffed they didn't give me any compensation for using pictures of my setup

paraphrand ,

Is there a high res version of this anywhere?

leave_it_blank ,
taiyang ,

Ah, fun for the whole family. Very wholesome, that Quake game is.

UKFilmNerd , (edited ) in Nothing was off-limits for retro game ads
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Yep, those were different times.

Battlecruiser 3000AD. This advert was later revised and they drew black knickers on the model.

https://feddit.uk/pictrs/image/45bf7981-b593-4bd7-9760-eb8204a042f9.jpeg

Psycho Pigs UXB. Another British classic?

https://feddit.uk/pictrs/image/e97083c0-d041-4afc-b367-e848ae72b6af.jpeg

Deceptichum ,
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Now i want to see the reviews for Psycho Pigs UXB because it cant have been very memorable.

frezik ,

Well-placed censorship of pictures was the best purpose of a Battlefield 3000AD box. That was one of those games where the drama around it was far better than the game itself.

UKFilmNerd ,
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Isn't this the game that had to run full page adverts claiming a new, updated version was available and "the bugs have been squashed!" Obviously this was pre-internet, so updates like this were quite uncommon.

frezik ,

Might have been. That game was so bugged that the installer crashed for a lot of people. Once it got patched enough that you could actually play it--which took years--it was supposedly pretty good, but nobody cared by then.

Beardsley , in Nothing was off-limits for retro game ads

I'll fight anyone who says 1998 is retro. I'm getting old, but give me a few more years damn.

avidamoeba , (edited )
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Those few years between 1992-1998 were as .. game-changing .. for games as probably the two decades that followed. We started it with side scrollers, Dune and Doom and ended it with Diablo II, StarCraft and Half-Life.

For the kids here who haven't experienced Half-Life, you should play Black Mesa. For the retro farts who have played Half-Life, you should also play Black Mesa. It's the Half-Life you couldn't have in 1998 because of the slow hardware. I weeped from feels playing it.

sparky1337 ,

I spent sooooooooo much time on StarCraft and Diablo II. First video game I remember playing was Wolfenstein 3D, then Duke Nukem. Found RTS soon after.

Thorry84 ,

I remember upgrading my PC from 4MB to 8MB, just to be able to play Duke3D, cost me a pretty penny as well

PopMyCop ,

The incredible imaginations that some people had kept me playing the custom games in starcraft for so much longer than the base game ever would have. I can't believe how much time I spent in various rpgs, defenses, and the wild cat-n-mouse modes.

fluxion ,

Blizzard used to give me such warm fuzzies.

psmgx ,

Now they just price gouge you, and sexuality harass the employees.

agent_flounder ,
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Old fart here. I played Wolfenstein 3d, then played the shit out of Doom and Duke Nukem 3d but missed out on Half life until recently. Knowing the context of the era it came out in, I can totally see how amazing it must have been. Hell, it's still incredibly fun for me in this era.

GrammatonCleric ,
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Bro, 2010 is retro now

Deceptichum ,
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You are a bad person.

Why must you be so hurtful.

Wodge ,
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sparky1337 ,

I launched Arkham Asylum on steam earlier this week and it recommended a 9800GTX lmao.

1GB ram, 2GB if you were running Vista.

ahornsirup ,
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We're gonna have to rethink definitions at some point. Yes, video games are still a comparatively new medium, but nobody would call a 2010 film a retro film, nevermind books or paintings.

Anarch157a ,
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I define "retro" as anything made before an average Army Private was born, so about 19-20 years. By this standard, games released in the early 80's were retro when the current generation of Privates was born, so how do we call that ? I propose the term "paleogaming" for those.

frezik ,

By that definition, 9/11 is retro.

blackluster117 ,
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It's definitely cheugy.

hydroptic ,

If in 1998 you would have argued that 1972 is retro, then I'm sorry to tell you that 1998 is retro

Hyperreality ,

No, you're retro! runs away sobbing

hydroptic ,

I am retro. You have no power here.

Embrace it! Gonna happen anyhow whether you want it to or not

Hyperreality ,

I've hurt my hip. Leave me alone.

Thassodar ,

Come, now. Let's settle you down for your 3rd nap, huh?

PlasticExistence ,

Hell, I can remember when the word retro meant something new inspired by something older. Now it just means old / classic.

nieceandtows ,

Bro that's so last century

samus12345 ,
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Last millennium, even.

Unforeseen ,
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You mean the late 1900's

taiyang ,

You and me both, but to be fair it's a year closer to the creation of console gaming to modern day. So I'll let it pass.

People who call my music vintage or classic can get right the fuck back, though.

scops ,

Bro, we lost that fight. I was watching a Youtube video of a guy clearing games from his Steam backlog and introduced one with, "So, many of you watching probably weren't alive when this game came out. Everyone talks about what a classic this is, but I don't think I've met anyone who has actually played this game."

I died a little inside when it turned out he was talking about the first Half-Life.

cupcakezealot ,
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If you really want to get depressed, Farmville is probably retro for some people.

M137 ,
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I understand saying you don't feel like 2010 is retro, but 1998? That's been retro for a long time. You're in a really extreme place in your head when you stick to not calling something that's 25 years old retro.

USSEthernet ,

Hate to break it to you, but they play rock from the 90s and 00s on the CLASSIC rock stations now.

NOOBMASTER , in Have video games become expensive now?

Sure, but you can always patiently wait for -90% on Steam.

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