Trump juror quits over fear of being outed after Fox News host says she should scare Trump ( www.salon.com )

Those calls came after numerous media outlets reported potentially identifying biographical information about the woman, including her job and the neighborhood she called home. Fox News Jesse Watters highlighted the juror's details while reading through public pool notes about the selected members. "This nurse scares me if I'm Trump," Watters said.

MushuChupacabra ,
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I think that the mafia uses similar tactics as a part of their defense strategy when on trial.

Gradually_Adjusting ,
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They don't exactly move in different circles

EdibleFriend ,
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I honestly would trust the Mafia in charge over republicans.

TropicalDingdong ,

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Alto ,
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At least the mob generally has something that halfway kind of sort of a little bit resembles lines they won't cross.

Hazzia ,

And they're usually pretty upfront about the ones they will.

rustydomino ,
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The mob is also competent

Doof ,

Were they really though? Like outside out the quick joke people make about mafia vs government were they really that competent? I feel like people have romanticized the mafia a little bit, like historically that doesn’t seem accurate.

ickplant ,
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You have to remember that Guliani went after the Italian mob when he was mayor of NYC. But he did not go after the Russian mob. This created a power vacuum that the Russians were happy to fill. So, when we are talking about the GOP, we’re talking the Russian mob, not the Italian one. The former does not have many lines they won’t cross.

melpomenesclevage ,

fuck at least the Japanese ultra-fasch mob has cool tattoos.

samus12345 ,
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https://media.tenor.com/Qq3_Q23DDt8AAAAM/rossy-moment.gif

EdibleFriend ,
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I'm dead fucking serious. If you had to pick that total fucking caricature of a mob boss or Trump to run this country. Hand to fucking god which one do you choose.

samus12345 ,
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Fat Tony without even a fraction of hesitation. It's actually difficult for me to think of many people, real or fictional, I'd choose Trump over. I'd rather have Skeletor.

TheJims ,

Fat Tony isn’t crippled by personality disorders

CosmicCleric ,
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I’d rather have Skeletor.

Would make for an interesting watch, seeing his run for the presidency.

samus12345 ,
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He'd be rejected by both parties, though. Too evil for Democrats, not evil enough for Republicans.

CosmicCleric ,
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The debates would be a sight to see though.

samus12345 ,
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Nobody could accuse Skeletor of being low energy! Nyeh-heh-heh!

CosmicCleric ,
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I'd love to see Trump say something so batshit crazy, and then see Skeletor respond to that like how he does with other things that he feels are so insane and drives him crazy.

Burn_The_Right ,

"Welcome to the Skeletor/Biden debate! On this side of the stage, we have the ancient skeleton whose sunken, glowing eyes strike terror in his enemies... and on the other side we have Skeletor."

melpomenesclevage ,

eh, you give the dems too much/little credit.

melpomenesclevage ,

the only maybes are like biden Hitler netenyahu.I'd choose Mao in a heartbeat. id consider pol pot (and I wear glasses)

rebelsimile ,

Oh, Fat Tony.

Soggy ,

Johnny Tightlips as Press Secretary.

samus12345 ,
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I ain't sayin' nuthin'.

Daft_ish ,

Shut your God damn month. If I've learned anything from Trump it is 'ask and you shall revieve.'

unreasonabro ,

given "revieve" is not a word, your response is perfect, even if you did make it with your "month".

If you cared what you said, you wouldn't have these problems

Daft_ish ,

Ha! Gottem.

Darukhnarn ,

I mean, Fat Tony actually cares for his people. If everyone were his people, he might actually be a real good guy…

melpomenesclevage ,

I would choose the protagonist of any of the 'yakuza' games over either leading presidential candidate.

Doof ,

I mean, yah? They are written as criminals with hearts of gold.

melpomenesclevage ,

so you admit that's better than american presidents?

Doof ,

It’s just an odd one to mention because, obviously.

melpomenesclevage ,

but its not. a lot if criminals ive met were good people. none of the politicians ive met (mostly house and state level) didn't immediately trip every single alarm in my head.

Doof ,

Yakuza is fiction. The characters are not realistic. No I don’t think criminals are constant evil or some other binary view of a human being. Though unlike the games I don’t know each of them individually like I do the yakuza protagonists.

melpomenesclevage ,

well, as someone who's met a good handful of politicians and lots of criminals? the criminals are usually better people, never, so far, worse ones. yes I'm including meth head Nazis, in and out if congress, in this.

Doof ,

I'm not really sure what this conversation is. I just thought saying you would rather an Yakuza protagonist was just an obvious better choice since the way they are written. I wasn't trying to start a conversation about "criminals" in real life.

gila ,
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I think what you're assessing to be an obvious better choice isn't. What would the Yakuza protagonist' view on capital punishment be? That they're written to have a heart of gold doesn't define their morals outside the scope of being Yakuza. To prefer that is to accept that their morals are more likely to transcend the power structure they exist in vs politicians. Fictional or not, I think it's interesting someone would consider this to be the case. It's not as though the games romanticise Yakuza as moralistic. The pretense for pretty much all the drama in the series is violent disagreement with other Yakuza, behaviour I'd doubt is what the commenter is generally looking for in a political leader.

Doof ,

They responded after the comments were talking about the real mafia. So when someone says hell I rather the Yakuza game series protagonist after real people it does seems way more obvious. If the comment existed in a bubble and was only directly comparing them to the candidates then yah you would be correct.

I mean Kiryu spends most of the games NOT being one. He is brought back In like a retired cop every game. Does he commit crimes? He defends himself quite a bit, in doing so he causes property damage. What big crimes does he commit in the series? I’m trying to think. I mean he uses knifes and guns but people all end the same way regardless if you used a bicycle or hand gun. If anything the game don’t romanticize it barely says anything about the real Yakuza at all.

gila ,
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That's fair enough, I'm literally just playing through the games now and felt compelled to comment. Kiryu's fundamental value system is presented to us at face value right from his first interaction with Majima in the opening of the first game. He's prepared and unconflicted about fighting Majima, just not for no reason like Majima wants. Kiryu has to have "a reason" to engage in actions typical of Yakuza, though the specific parameters of his reasoning aren't quantified. It's just whatever makes innate sense to him in the moment, which I'm interpreting as a rejection of conventional moral barriers to action. He'll do whatever it takes to achieve the end he seeks, and the only difference between him and other Yakuza (or indeed Yakuza in real life) in this respect is that the ends he's seeking are noble/just. i.e. "chaotic good", with Majima the protagonist being his "chaotic neutral" counterpart. TBH I can't really speak for Tak or Ichi because I haven't finished those games, but the gist I got of what the commenter is saying is that they think although the base case for most people would be to prefer lawful-aligned governance, the outcomes secured by being chaos-aligned would justify their chaos.

melpomenesclevage ,

I dont even care which one.

UltraMagnus0001 ,

When are they gonna use the rico stuff on them like Giuliani did on the mob. Ironic

Maggoty ,

Holy shit did Fox News just intimidate a juror in a high profile trial?

Edit - just got to this bit

Other outlets including NBC News, CNN, CBS News, and ABC News also publicized details about the juror, including additional identifying information.

What the fuck? How is this even in the public domain?

TwoBeeSan ,

I walked by a tv at work today on CNN.

They were literally discussing the profession and reading habits of a juror.

Big ass question mark greyed out female, and a host making the biggest deal over the fact a juror reads NYT.

It's fucking scary I'd drop the fuck out too. These piranhas are gonna oust any information about you for views. The news is beyond a joke, completely agree with you, how this is public domain and tolerated is more telling to our status as a nation.

Hobbes_Dent ,

This is going to be the delay he wants if the US media goes full OJ here. Which they likely will - some to benefit Trump, all for the views. Juror protection be damned.

CptEnder ,

Yeah it's pretty crazy even MSNBC was covering some of their details yesterday, but tried to scale it back today. The reality is this info is being put out on the wires to all press agencies. The real one to blame it the judge for not locking down the procedures or how and what the lawyers can ask.

roguetrick ,

We're in the age of facial recognition, you don't even need to hire a PI to identify jurors. These cases are going to get someone killed even without the goddamn media acting like idiots.

FiniteBanjo ,

I'd write back to every death threat, informing them of my ready and willingness to do honourable combat, but I do not blame anybody for dropping out under duress.

melpomenesclevage ,

the state will never be an instrument of justice

melpomenesclevage ,

how is this even public

can't imagine. anyway...

morphballganon ,

Fox News committing stochastic terrorism, again?

homesweethomeMrL ,

No no no. This is just witness tampering and obstruction of justice. Oh, and stochastic terrorism, yes. So, yes.

Jimmyeatsausage ,

You guys just don't understand! Any media organization not tampering with the jury pool is just a leftist rag!

Why is there no unbiased news?!?! All I want is an unbiased news source that covers the news conservatives care about - like where I can find these jurors to threaten!

boreengreen ,

If only there were some kind of fairness doctrine, that forced news organisations to make an honest attempt to report both sides.

MedicPigBabySaver ,
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Fuck the courts for letting public have access to that info.

mibo80 ,

Exactly, knowing ahead of time all of this should have been sealed by default. Anytime the defendant/case is this high profile the whole thing should be sealed off to contain this circus.

Lucidlethargy ,
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It doesn't matter. Trump will literally call them out himself. And nothing will happen when he does.

The system is broken. It is not breaking, it is fucking BROKEN.

NegativeInf ,

Well, they have now made it where the employment and past employment questions stricken from the record and have instructed all media not to report the answers to those portions of the questionnaire. That's what she felt identified her.

But I agree in spirit.

Brunbrun6766 ,
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Why is the press even in the room or present in any way when that information is being discussed

NegativeInf ,

Because generally these things wouldn't be a problem. Except that trump and his followers have a history of grasping at every straw, defaming anyone they can, and getting people hurt for no good reason.

geekworking ,

It doesn't sound like it was released.

It seems like stuff from jury selection questions that some court audience members noted. The court already blocked recording.

They remove the audience, but that's a double-edged sword since no public transparency even for reporters would fuel all of the conspiracy crap and there would be no information available to debunk. This is Trumps wet dream. Being able to spout pure fantasy with nobody to rebut.

Best solution would be for the judge to clamp down to say that he will charge anyone who leaks any jury info with contempt.

xantoxis ,

The judge may have been anticipating this media circus. Now there's a clear reason to remove the audience, so it's safer.

Trump was going to spout lies and nonsense no matter what, and the people who believe him now will believe him no matter what. My money says the judge just wanted an excuse--and we'll see a complete lockdown with no audience from now on.

melpomenesclevage ,

fuck them for not crucifying these anchors before lunch.

they're not legitimate and neither are the laws they represent. its just thugs with guns and excuses to shoot.

Neato ,
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If the courts don't immediately arrest and charge this person with juror intimidation/tampering then it's all over. The fascist mob will figure out who the jurors are and threaten their families en masse because there will be no consequences.

Burn_The_Right ,

Conservatives will do more than threaten. They are all bloodthirsty pieces of shit.

melpomenesclevage ,

and they won't.

toiletobserver ,

At what point does this become jury tampering? Veiled threats should never be taken lightly, especially since Fox is an entertainment organization and not news, as they've argued in court previously.

AlwaysNowNeverNotMe ,
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How the fuck is this legal?

homesweethomeMrL ,

If they face no consequences, it’s legal! Ish. Y’know.

TropicalDingdong ,

Anything that doesn't have consequences is legal.

DontMakeMoreBabies , (edited )

There are loads of people who believe this and I think that sometimes folks need to remember that's reality.

Shithead antisocial people exist - that's why there must be consequences up to and including violence (if that's all someone can understand).

TIMMAY ,

what the fuck does any of this have to do with antisocial people?

aibler ,

The comment was made by one.

TIMMAY ,

someone made a comment with an opinion you dont agree with, so they are automatically "antisocial"?

aibler ,

No, I just made a joke at the expense of someone who jumped straight into suggesting the use of violence. To me, violence is a bit antisocial generally. You'd do great in a comedy club audience.

feddylemmy ,

They could be meaning it in a UK kind of way. They have anti-social behaviour orders and such. Slightly different meaning than someone who doesn't like people.

No_Ones_Slick_Like_Gaston ,

If it has a financial, is cost of doing business, not illegal at all.

NuXCOM_90Percent ,

Because the goal is to declare this a mistrial. Break as many rules as possible, get thrown in contempt, etc. Because those will be MUCH smaller penalties/fines and will drag out the clock until after the election.

Whereas grinning and bearing it lets the courts actually try to get some semblance of justice.

hperrin ,

Using terrorism to protect a criminal (again). The Republican Party cannot possibly be redeemed.

ATDA ,

Can we complain to the FCC or something? This is crazy...

melpomenesclevage ,

dude, the law will never be on the side of justice. look at the past decade, tell me I'm wrong.

BigMacHole ,

If they get one or two of these Jurors KILLED they're going to get a VERY STERN letter from the Judge!

TheCelticPirate ,

All according to plan.

Jaysyn ,
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I've read that Jury Tampering has a very low bar in New York. Pretty sure Watters just crossed it.

Hazzia ,

God I hope so, fuck these people.

just_another_person ,

So 90% of a jury of his peers fucking hate him, and will conclude he did the crime. Oh my God, sounds like he's going to jail. You really need to keep churning the group until you find the select few who think he's innocent of a crime? The obviousness says something.

And, no, haters, this is not what jury selection looks like. 10 years as a trial lawyer, and never ONCE were any of my selections broadcast on TV. This shit should illegal.

Maggoty ,

I'm just a middle aged white guy and I know this isn't normal because it's never happened in my life unless the news is talking about jury tampering that already happened.

Makeitstop ,

Watters has alleged without evidence that "liberal activists" are lying to get on the jury, a claim that Trump himself has repeated on Truth Social, potentially violating a gag order.

It's like they saw Trump, Giuliani and Alex Jones all get absolutely fucked in court for defamation, contemplated their own settlement with Dominion and the 2.7 billion dollar lawsuit pending from Smartmatic, and said to themselves "now seems like a good time to endanger innocent people by spewing inflammatory bullshit."

Not that I expect them to learn a lesson if they aren't bankrupted or actually sent to prison.

dirthawker0 ,

They already had the idea to do it themselves.

penquin ,
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This Watters dude is so smug. I hate his guts. His existence bothers me.

jkrtn ,

That's why they got him. They want a smug asshole who will make people angry.

dream_weasel ,

Looks like Republican news host Ross from friends

penquin ,
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That's an insult to Ross.

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