jordanlund Mod ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Removed as a duplicate. Original thread from one month ago:

https://lemmy.world/post/9129426

CharlesDarwin ,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

Hey, maybe the "liberal media" might really give a good think about the "objective" reporting on the journalism side. Stop bothsidering a monster in the making like donnie when reporting. Stop acting like this is all normal or that donnie is just "being Trump".

Because you can be sure that journalists of all kinds will be some of the most at-risk under the con tyranny.

rockSlayer ,

If only the Democrats would come out on the side of democracy by running a ranked choice open primary.

jordanlund Mod ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

The problem is, ranked choice voting has to be implemented at the state level. Primaries and Caucuses are entirely locally run.

So you have to get 49 more states on board. Alaska already has it. :)

Jaysyn , (edited )
@Jaysyn@kbin.social avatar

This was fearmongering bullshit when this opinion was posted a month ago. It still is.

No one that voted for Biden in 2020 is voting for Trump in 2024.

Democrats are beating polls by 9+ points at the ballot boxes, nationwide & have been since Roe v. Wade was over turned.

The GOP has lost 13 of their last 15 special elections, even in "Red" states.

All we have to do is show up & vote & we can end Trump.

krashmo ,

None of that is untrue but it doesn't account for GOP fuckery or voter apathy. Framing things in that way reminds me of all the "yeah right, HRC is gonna lose to Trump lol" comments we heard in 2016.

Jaysyn ,
@Jaysyn@kbin.social avatar

Yeah, but unlike those hopeful 2016 voters, we actually have extant, pattern forming data related to why instead of just assuming that "no one with more than two brain cells to rub together would actually vote for Trump".

There is a reason the GOP isn't releasing any internal polling.

silverbax ,

100% hard agree. The media has gotten into a cycle of 'here's the crazy thing Trump did/said today!!!!' Followed by 'Trump is taking us right into a dictatorship and there's nothing anyone can do, be afraid!!!'

Meanwhile all the actual electoral vote polling show Trump losing to Biden worse than he did last time. Just go vote, people, in every election, every time. I don't want people to be complacent but the numbers look terrible for Trump.

Telorand ,

I don't know what's happening behind closed doors, but this is a great illustration of why Millennials and Gen Z are increasingly getting their news from sources other than Mainstream News. It's practically right wing billionaire ghost writing, at this point.

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@kbin.social avatar

News has always been shit, we’re just the first generation with an actual alternative than local news station or national news station.

the_post_of_tom_joad ,

Perhaps there were biases, there always are, but it got significantly worse in my lifetime and i blame the telecomm act of 1996.

the_post_of_tom_joad ,

we can end Trump.

For 4 years

PeepinGoodArgs ,

Exactly. This shit won't be over even if Trump loses.

Jaysyn ,
@Jaysyn@kbin.social avatar

If Biden wins, Trump dies in custody.

jordanlund Mod ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

No one that voted for Biden in 2020 is voting for Trump in 2024.

That's not the danger. The danger is in them staying home, and that's a very real possibility in key Democratic demographics:

https://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/video/biden-losing-support-muslim-arab-american-voters-michigan-105533564

"Biden losing support of Muslim, Arab American voters in Michigan"

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/03/muslim-leaders-swing-states-abandon-biden-campaign

"Muslim leaders in swing states pledge to ‘abandon’ Biden over his refusal to call for ceasefire"

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/19/politics/democrats-asian-americans-biden-carter/index.html

"Democrats are losing ground with the fastest-growing political bloc: Asian Americans"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2023/12/12/joe-biden-loses-support-among-black-voters-donald-trump-gains-ground/71889796007/

"Joe Biden is losing support among some Black voters ahead of 2024, survey shows"

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/poll-biden-trumo-black-latino-youth-b2471798.html

"Trump now leads Biden among young and Hispanic voters, new poll finds"

Uranium3006 ,

I'm worried. biden's blowing it. democrats don't seem to understand how to win elections and we need a backup plan in case "just vote for biden really hard and hope the fascist storm blows over" doesn't work.

osarusan ,

All we have to do is show up & vote

This is the issue though. I never saw so many apathetic voters or "protest voters" ignorant of how the US election system functions until I came to the fediverse. The sheer lack of civic understanding here is terrifying.

ivanafterall ,

Here's the archived/non-paywall link: https://archive.is/jvxX2

jordanlund Mod ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

"Inevitable" implies there's nothing we can do about it so we should just sit back and let it happen...

It's not "Inevitable", but we are going to have to hear from him every election until he dies.

mozz OP Admin ,
mozz avatar

I agree it's not inevitable; that part is wrong. I like the article nonetheless because of the sense of alarm it carries. A lot of the news about Trump doesn't have nearly enough of that.

I saw an article on the climate yesterday that had some scientist saying in passing "it's time to panic" (like not even the main thrust of the article, it was just his quick reflection on some aspect and then he moved on). I think that kind of sentiment isn't expressed anywhere near often enough for what the situation is in the world today.

Enkers ,

Not that I disagree with anything you're saying, and I don't want to diminish the urgency, but it's like we've got a global case elevating of alarm fatigue. It's hard to find anything more or less panicking when the doomsday clock is permanently set to 11:59 p.m.

As a Canadian, the prospect of a Trump dictatorship certainly is chilling.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I agree. And also, if we treat it like it's inevitable, less people will go out and vote and GOTV efforts will be essential in this election.

PugJesus ,
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

That's the whole point of this doomsaying. It's not being repeated just because some people believe it, though some doubtlessly do - it's being repeated because it's convenient propaganda for fascists.

AshMan85 ,

He was already a dictator during his first term.

Bonskreeskreeskree ,

Saying stupid shit like this diminishes the real threat of what another term would mean for our country and the world

Enkers ,

So if he was a dictator in his first term, he opted to step down at its completion himself? Because in my understanding of dictatorships, it's the dictator who sets the term limits.

Jaysyn ,
@Jaysyn@kbin.social avatar

he opted to step down at its completion himself?

He literally didn't. It was a failed self-coup.

Enkers ,

Yes, that's my point. I was hoping my interlocutor would think about the question for themselves.

Jaysyn ,
@Jaysyn@kbin.social avatar

Sounded like you were claiming he wasn't a wannabe dictator.

Uranium3006 ,

you forgot the part where he ordered the capitol stormed

StinkyOnions ,

It's inevitable if we don't do our part and vote. We don't kowtow to Fascists so don't let them scare or demotivate you from doing your part and voting!

DessertStorms ,
@DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar

Only someone entirely ignorant of history could seriously think that fascism can be voted away..

fluxion ,

We voted the fascist President away once already, but we'll likely only get one more opportunity before he completes his attack on legitimate elections.

PugJesus ,
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

If you read the link, you'll see the above commenter is saying that democracy is actually fascism, and only totalitarian communism is true freedom.

gravitas_deficiency ,

Ah yes, the tankies are coming

PugJesus ,
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

They're such a small part of Western politics, but such a disproportionately large part of Western online political discourse. I guess it's the only praxis they're capable of.

fluxion ,

I read the link but decided to stay in the real world and not legitimatize it

Jaysyn , (edited )
@Jaysyn@kbin.social avatar

FYI, @DessertStorms is the fascist symp that downvoted this.

Hey, @timeloopedpowergamer, get fucked you unloved fascist symp.

DessertStorms ,
@DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar

Lmmfao, could you be licking that boot any harder, clown? 😂

autotldr Bot ,

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The fact that many Americans might prefer other candidates, much ballyhooed by such political sages as Karl Rove, will soon become irrelevant when millions of Republican voters turn out to choose the person whom no one allegedly wants.

Until now, Republicans and conservatives have enjoyed relative freedom to express anti-Trump sentiments, to speak openly and positively about alternative candidates, to vent criticisms of Trump’s behavior past and present.

Abraham Lincoln suspended habeas corpus, the Wilson administration shut down newspapers and magazines critical of the war; Franklin D. Roosevelt rounded up Japanese Americans and placed them in camps.

There is every reason to believe that active-duty troops and reservists are likely to be disproportionately more sympathetic to a newly reelected President Trump than to the “Radical Left Thugs” supposedly causing mayhem in the streets of their towns and cities.

The power shift at the federal level, and the tone of menace and revenge emanating from the White House, will likely embolden all kinds of counter-resistance even in deep-blue states, including violent protests.

As Mitt Romney recounts in McKay Coppins’s recent biography, Republican members of Congress contemplating voting for Trump’s impeachment and conviction feared for their physical safety and that of their families.


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