Russia has messaging for useful idiots on the right and messaging for useful idiots on the left. To the right they'll say stuff like "America should stay out of foreign wars", "we should make Ukraine pay for the assistance", "the price of oil will go up" blah blah. To the left it's shit like "Ukraine are Nazis", "America is perpetuating this war", "NATO are the aggressors" blah blah
The goal either way is to sow division, doubt, demoralise, create instability, create distrust and sap European & US power's resolve to support Ukraine. And also to devalue information with false, misleading and contradictory information. It's not hard on social media to see how this shit spreads around with insincere actors pumping false news and misinfo into the feeds that gets picked up by the useful idiots.
The invention of campism and its consequences have been a disaster for sane leftist discourse (in western europe. somehow it's not a problem in countries like poland and baltics)
Nazis were not left ever. That's a myth. They use the trappings of leftism, but never did anything leftist. They also attacked the real socialists. They were authoritarian-right.
OP isn't making it up, but they constantly make or repost memes about tankies and are seemingly blowing it out of proportion, as I mentioned in another thread (and was down voted) people are throwing it around way too much on lemmy.
See all the top level comments like "all the tankies coming out of the wood work! Must have struck a nerve!" when in reality there are legit arguments to be had around these things, but no, question Biden or the DNC and you're clearly just a tankie on russia/china/whatever payroll. Doesn't matter if it's a valid point of concern or strategy, fall in line or you're the enemy. Literally.
"Biden should be doing more to pressure Isreal to stop murdering innocents"
TANKIE!! YOU'RE LITERALLY VOTING FOR TRUMP!!
DNC should just be able to dictate elections because they clearly didn't learn their lesson with Hillary and led directly to a Trump presidency, but no it's the left and "Bernie Bros" who were wrong.
Is that there on the bottom the noted genocide denier and conspiratorial edgelord Noam Chomsky. Please, Yanks, stop worshipping him. You have Bookchin.
Kraut has an essay on it. He's a persona non grata in Europe. Of course, those are old takes, regarding more recent events he's saying things like "Russia is fighting more humanely in Ukraine than the US did in Iraq". I have absolutely no love left for US imperialism or its military but damn, they're not that bad. His world view is simple: US bad therefore non-US good.
Ukraine and Israel are literally defending the civilized world against the savages and barbarians of the world. And the left has the audacity to criticize how they are being defended
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I have. Not so much that they are all rah, rah, russia, but because the west is the one supporting Ukraine. They seem to believe russia was, in fact, there to "de-nazify" Ukraine, and other russian propaganda. You know, the country who had recently ousted a putin puppet, then elected a Jewish man in a landslide, was so in need of a russia to fight the nazis that have over run the country.
I've seen plenty of tankies "defend Russia" M8. Especially on lemmy fucking tons of erm. What rock are you living in. If anything it's mainly tankies,neo libs,socialists (like alot of you lot). I see get involved in this harry kissenger pick-a-side war-hawk bull-shit I mean neo-libs,socialists,tankies aren't exactly the brightest
Me personally fuck Putin and fuck zelensky. I don't care who wins. I just wish for a end to the senseless war.Stop the war stop civilians getting harmed or worse. And stop people's personal property and livelihoods getting destroyed. There are no winners in war only losers. And in the end of the day. You can mend broken infrastructure. But you can't mend the dead or maimed
I've seen plenty of tankies "defend Russia" M8. Especially on lemmy fucking tons of erm
I feel like it's the same dozen howling assholes.
Me personally fuck Putin and fuck zelensky. I don't care who wins
Yeah, you lost me there... Last time the world tried appeasing an asshole with conquest delusions in the hope they'd cut it out it didn't work out to well
Generally what you'll see is right wing types directly supporting Russia (because they hate gay and trans people) and a certain stripe of leftists who will lean more into "NATO expansionism", "Western proxy war" and all that other thoroughly debunked nonsense that, while not explicitly pro-Russia, is all directly lifted from Kremlin propaganda talking points.
You need two (or more) proxies to have a proxy war and looking at the belligerents and who supports them it's clear who is who: Ukraine is South Korea's proxy, Russia the one of North Korea.
Yeah I'm a socialist and agree with a lot of what Marx wrote and no fucking way do I support anything Russia is doing in Ukraine. Tbh I'm disheartened that Russia hasn't suffered more severe internal consequences for this illegal invasion. Ukraine has every right to fight and retake its sovereign land, including attacking assets inside Russia.
I do feel bad for the Russian people in general, but that's not because of any politics, I feel the same way about Palestinians, Sudanese, Haitians, and the people of Myanmar. Anyone suffering under the tyranny of small dick leaders.
The point here is that all sides have a majority that hate russia but each side chooses to think of all the other sides as being in support of them despite clear evidence to the contrary. Of course many of those reds really like russia.
Imagine being old enough in 2002 to know the successor to the Mujaheddin was called the Northern Alliance who were our allies in opposition to the Taliban and Al Qaeda. But since the facts didn't fit the narrative that we're fighting the people the US put into power and also didn't fit the racist narrative that "all those people over there are all the same." Neither the left nor the right wanted to think about Afghanis having any kind of agency so failure in Afghanistan was inevitable.
Some people's minds just seem to reject the idea that you don't have to lick any boots at all. They've come all the way from the western boots and at the far end of their journey just went "ooh, new boots!" and just got down on their hands and knees and got to work.
If history has taught us anything, it's that fascists sure have some shiny shoes.
That’s always the issue though, you shouldn’t expect any politician to always have the right solutions, and why cabinets are needed. That’s also kinda why small government is an inadequate recipe for the complexity of human life.
It’s definitely a lie that you need conservatives in your political offices though
It’s definitely a lie that you need conservatives in your political offices though
100% they don't have the monopoly on brain power or good ideas... It's absolutely about who you surround yourself with which is partially why I don't care about Biden or his age, I know he isn't like Trump where Trump is just going to surround himself with "yes men."
Have you considered that they have a comprehensive worldview that leads them to different conclusions than yours does? No, they just must be big dummies because they haven't figured out this one super simple universal truth!
If that comprehensive worldview leads people to defending russian imperialism, they really seem to be big dummies or just inhumane scum. It's actually pretty simple.
Dude I think we should be supplying warships to the fucken Somalian pirates to fuck with the Chinese and even I can tell you are incapable of having a comprehensive worldview.
