Chef_Boyardee ,

I can't think of the name, but that one superhero that wears the funny outfit.

cordlesslamp ,

Do you have any idea how little that narrowed it down?

Chef_Boyardee ,

Sorry, I was being facetious. Probably was drinking at the time.

SgtAStrawberry ,

I really can't stand Damian Wayne I just find him annoying and bratty.

If anyone has any good story recommendations with him I would like to hear about it.

Zehzin ,
@Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

Stories where someone slaps the dogshit out of him?

Rhynoplaz ,

At first I thought you said Damon Wayans, and for the first time in ever, I thought about the movie Blankman.

Beetschnapps ,

My first thought too! How could you talk shit on Blankman? J5!

thermal_shock ,

johnny five?

EmoDuck ,

That's why I liked Super Sons so much. Damians saltiness gets perfectly balanced out by Jon's sweetness.

That's also why Bats amd Supes are such a good duo, they play off each other and through that complete each other.

Damn you Brandis for taking Super Sons from us Angrily shakes fist at sky

SgtAStrawberry ,

That sounds good, I look into it. I do love Bat and Super team up, and it sounds like it can be similar.

Rineloi ,

I recommend Batman and Robin by Tomasi & Gleason. What's great about Damian being annoying and bratty is that it allows some character growth. Unfortunately, whenever a new writer takes over, it results in him regressing back to his previous characterization.

I also recommend Batman and Robi n with Dick Grayson as Batman. Its has an unique take on Dynamic Duo with a serious Robin and Light-hearted Batman.

If you like those you can check out Robin Solo run and supersons as well.

SgtAStrawberry ,

I check those out, another person also recommend supersons, and I will look into it it sounds like something I would like.

AFC1886VCC ,

Captain America

poo ,
@poo@lemmy.world avatar

All of them. Can't stand the superhero-dominated media market.

TheControlled , (edited )

Fuck, you are so cool. Edgy and cool. Too cool to like a single super hero which are diverse and many! Finger guns Please, dunk my nerd face in the trashcan.

Cool, hip people hate superheroes and downvote me for saying you're a contrary, close minded, jerk off.

supercriticalcheese ,

I agree, they are just not for me either... It just feels the cinema industry focusing on what is safe to sell well enough.

Maybe the original material (comics) is way better than what I could see on TV growing in the 90s , not sure.

poo ,
@poo@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah it's just such a simple and easy topic. Studios funnel all their money and focus into a genre that requires no creativity.

After Iron Man 2008, sure it was neat for a few years to see a "connected universe" but it's a bit of a joke now....

That's what makes me the most excited for auteurs like Francis Ford Coppola or Lynch or Aronofsky or Tarkovsky - I watch movies to be immersed and feel something, and blam-blam-boom-booms have just never done it for me.

I prefer film-as-art over film-as-entertainment I guess?

TheControlled ,

The word is pretentious. Both types are great, but ivory tower types who name drop basic Artisic™ directors like they just took their first film class I find to be more irritating than people who just want to have fun.

Be more Ebert, less RT Meter.

poo ,
@poo@lemmy.world avatar

Wow, you must have lots of friends and be fun at parties, dick 😂🤣😂

TheControlled ,

Pretty much yeah! Imagine that, someone who thinks you're a try-hard poser actually has a rich life and is usually the host of many parties filled with authentic people who would gladly mock, openly, the thoroughly asinine dog shit you said above. Maybe nicer though.

poo ,
@poo@lemmy.world avatar

Cope.

verity_kindle ,
@verity_kindle@sh.itjust.works avatar

She-Hulk, read a few of the comics, saw another version, I don't get the appeal. So she's a lawyer, so is Daredevil, it's a job that doesn't lend itself well to perilous adventures. Filing a brief....at the edge of madness! She forgot that the county clerk's office is closed on Memorial Day (US observed)!!! Dun dun duuuunnn

sxan ,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

I kinda hate all spin-off superheroes. Supergirl, Superdog, Batgirl; although it's mostly _Girl versions of _Man. You never see WonderMan. WhitePanther wouldn't get much love. It just feels like wringing the ol' franchise of every last drop of blood.

Sometimes it bites me. SpiderVerse is supposed to be good, but it breaks my spin-off Rule.

tal , (edited )
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

You never see WonderMan.

googles

Apparently not a "spin-off", though it looks like there was some friction over the relationship to Wonder Woman.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder_Man

Marvel Comics' then-publisher Stan Lee said in 1978, "You know, years ago we brought out Wonder Man, and [DC Comics] sued us because they had Wonder Woman, and... I said okay, I'll discontinue Wonder Man. And all of a sudden they've got Power Girl [after Marvel had introduced Power Man]. Oh, boy. How unfair."[7]

sxan ,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

Nice sleuthing!

I didn't mean so much similar names, as identical characters differing only by gender/race.

verity_kindle ,
@verity_kindle@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yeah, spin offs aren't my thing, except for Frasier.

Feathercrown ,

White Panther

This idea is like nitroglycerine

EmoDuck ,

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    sxan ,
    @sxan@midwest.social avatar

    LOL they should have named him "White Power Wolf." Maybe that'd have helped.

    tal ,
    @tal@lemmy.today avatar

    So she’s a lawyer, so is Daredevil, it’s a job that doesn’t lend itself well to perilous adventures.

    Perry Mason's kind of a Sherlock Holmes-type character. Not a superhero, but a lawyer character who does get into dangerous situations.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perry_Mason

    Perry Mason is a fictional character, an American criminal defense lawyer who is the main character in works of detective fiction written by Erle Stanley Gardner. Perry Mason features in 82 novels and 4 short stories, all of which involve a client being charged with murder, usually involving a preliminary hearing or jury trial. Typically, Mason establishes his client's innocence by finding the real murderer. The character was inspired by famed Los Angeles criminal defense attorney Earl Rogers.

    verity_kindle ,
    @verity_kindle@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Ok, put Mason in yellow spandex and we'll see.

    Dasus ,

    "He just never seems to become an adult"

    What are you expecting? That fictional superheros grow up and get old?

    Spiderman first appeared in -62, so you'd have never seen him as an immature teenager, but a grumpy middleaged dude.

    On that note, there are depictions of adult Spiderman. Like in "Into the Spiderverse" or what was it.

    But the essence of the character is the relative immaturity. Like Batman's is gruff vigilanteism and Superman's overtly good nature.

    tal , (edited )
    @tal@lemmy.today avatar

    I'm kind of annoyed by most superheroes as characters because of the costume thing.

    The spandex thing that's a pretty-common convention was because the Comic Code Authority disallowed nudity. Solution? Skintight outfits.

    Now, I've got no problem with nudity, or salaciousness, or outright adult comics for that matter.

    But we've got all that historical baggage of just about everyone running around in skintight outfits. So a lot of the genre winds up with having to come up with elaborate explanations as to why they're wearing the things.

    The CCA is long dead. You can have nudity or salaciousness in comic books if you want. But the convention is still with us because of designs that date to that era, and it's just senseless. I feel like it kinda restricts the genre and doesn't help the immersion.

    There are comic characters who don't do the spandex thing. John Constantine or Dick Tracy wear trenchcoats. Dream in Sandman doesn't have fixed garb, but doesn't do spandex.

    The Parahumans series -- Worm and Ward web serials, not comic books but certainly superheroes -- are what I'd call some examples of modern superheroes that don't have a design dating from an era where there were CCA constraints. Granted, they aren't graphic novels or comic books, so there are different incentives, but even so.

    ArbitraryValue ,

    Are you claiming that Batman wears spandex because originally he was supposed to be naked but the CCA wouldn't allow that?

    geomela ,

    Well, he'd still need his utility belt...

    Empricorn , (edited )

    The spandex thing that's a pretty-common convention was because the Comic Code Authority disallowed nudity. Solution? Skintight outfits.

    That's definitely a... unique take. Do you have any quotes or sources for that? IMO, superheros started with spandex for the same reason everything else about them was larger than life: to appeal to children and teenagers. No offense and from one nerd to others, but come on. They have brightly-colored capes, they travel the world and go to space and travel through universes and time, fighting the bad guys with over-the-top magical powers. And we loved it. I still do!

    I don't think the fact that they didn't want nudity in their comics (which was even more stigmatized back then) implies causality with many of them having skin-tight uniforms. Both male and female forms were exaggerated for the aforementioned reasons and tighter suits were just another reason to emphasize that larger-than-life human evolution thing. Plus, it would be easier to move in clothes that stretch and move with you...

    Nemo ,

    A superhero who can't stand? The Christopher Reeves Superman.

    I'll see myself out.

    gregorum ,
    @gregorum@lemm.ee avatar

    GASP!

    But how‽

    Num10ck ,

    paralyzed = cannot stand

    gregorum ,
    @gregorum@lemm.ee avatar

    He was no longer playing Superman at that point

    Nemo ,

    dead ⟩ also cannot stand

    RizzRustbolt ,

    Iron Man.

    The guy supported Yellowjacket joining the Avengers.

    kureta ,

    Not sure about iron man but I can't stand Robert Downey Jr.

    neoman4426 ,

    Jane Foster when she was the wielder of Mjolnir. Not for anything about her personally, but the fact that Thor was treated as a codename. It's the dude's actual name, it'd be like if Sam Wilson went around introducing himself as Steve Rogers when he took the Captain America mantle. It's happened a few other times like with Eric Masterson, but at least he had the excuse that for most of the time he used the name he and the actual Thor were sharing a body.

    RecluseRamble ,

    I think it's both, his name and his power. In Thor 1 when Odin sends Mjolnir to earth he whispers to it something like "May he who's been worthy possess the power of Thor".

    JusticeForPorygon ,
    @JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world avatar

    Well wait then how come Steve Rogers doesn't have the full kit?

    xkforce ,

    Because the point was to show that he's worthy without completely changing him. Same with vision.

    JusticeForPorygon ,
    @JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world avatar

    I thought vision was able to lift the hammer because he wasn't a living being? At least I came to that conclusion because he never possessed the "power of Thor"

    xkforce ,

    Vision is alive. His body is composed of living tissue woven together with the mind stone and vibranium. That whole speel by Stark arguing that vision could only lift the hammer in the same way an elevator would was him rationalizing why his creation was worthy but he wasn't. The whole point of the scene where vision lifted the hammer for the first time was to show that he could be trusted. Because at that point, almost everyone had their doubts.

    eightpix ,
    @eightpix@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah, I don't mind it. Thor is a name and a title/power. God (presumably) is a name, and Thor has the power of a god.

    Prince is a title. It's also a name. And, to some musicians, Prince is a god.

    It'd be rare to win an argument by invoking Prince, but there you go.

    leftzero ,

    The thing is that, as you said, it's happened several times before. Beta Ray Bill, Red Norvell, Eric Masterson... it's been established for a long time that in the Marvel universe the title of Thor, God of Thunder, may be held by people who aren't Thor Odinson (and that he might occasionally lose it, though so far only temporarily, at least in the main continuity).

    Dagwood222 ,

    Marvel ran a miniseries called "Battleworld." Yadda yadda, Dr. Doom a single planet composed of all the different Marvel timelines. The police force controlling everything is the Thor Corps, which includes dozens of different iterations of Thor, including a Groot Thor.

    Nibodhika ,

    Excuse me, but that's always been the case. The first ever appearance of Thor is in Journey into Mistery , that's before he had his own comic, in that comic a guy called Don Blake finds a cane, and when he grabs it this happens https://static1.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/journey-into-mystery-83-thor-debut-1.jpg

    So Thor has always been the title of the person in possession of the Hammer, he converts himself into Thor by grabbing the hammer, the movies then changed that because in the Marvel Ultimate universe it's different, but Jane Foster is from the original comics, where holding the hammer made you Thor, and she did exactly that in the 70s, just a couple of decades after Don Blake.

    Crashumbc ,

    I agree with spiderman, I've still not watched his stand-alone movies.

    Also hulk once he becomes "smart" hulk in end game.

    Also fat Thor in end game, again not funny just whiny.

    meekah ,
    @meekah@lemmy.world avatar

    I don't think it was supposed to be funny. I think that was their attempt at somehow mangling mental health into their stories because that's what the kids are all about or something

    kbin_space_program , (edited )

    Don't hate spiderman. Hate the writers roughly since 2000 that only let him have a break from misery when he's in an alternate universe where he never became spider man.

    Drusas , (edited )

    Having been introduced to Spider-Man through comic books, I always disliked him. And the comics came out well prior to the 2000s. I always just found him obnoxious.

    Nibodhika ,

    To be fair the comics do him much worse, he kills his first girlfriend trying to save her, he kills his wife with his radioactive sperm, he's the ultimate tragic hero.

    However I don't think that's what OP is talking about, I think he's talking about how it keeps getting rebooted so Peter Parker never grows old, he's forever a teenager. In the comics it took time, but he did eventually become an adult, during the Civil War he's an adult for example.

    CaptPretentious ,

    Modern Batman and Modern Superman.

    I won't go on my 2 hour rant off everything wrong. But a short version is the writing for them is lazy and undeveloped. Both of them represent the most uninteresting form of a power fantasy. The modern Batman of 'having a plan for everything' and being this overburden angsty character is just awful. If Batman was a d&d character, he has loaded dice and is throwing that 20s on intimidation. And for Superman he's just not interesting, because with the amount of power he's been given and the amount of abilities he has the fact that lex luthor is somehow a villain of his is laughable.

    Batman used to be the world's greatest detective. And for me the last time I saw Batman be Batman was the '90s animated series. And frankly the most recent movie The Batman also did a very good job I thought in that regard.

    Superman used to have limits. He was fast but not infinite speed fast. He was strong but not infinite strength.

    In both cases it feels like the people who write for these characters use one simple rule... This my favorite character so he win. Neither character feels like their struggles are earned, because the writing is forced. Like it used to be if Superman needed to save somebody you weren't 100% sure he'd be able to get there in time, stop the bad guy save the people! Modern Superman is like, a being a hundred light years away, tripped and their falling! They need your help before they get a boo-boo and I have no doubt Superman would get there somehow and then save a hundred worlds along the way. (An over-exaggeration I know but I want to get the point across at how lazy I feel the writing is). Or the fact that anybody fears Batman when most of his villains barely fear him. You have members like Green lantern, Martian manhunter, Superman, and Wonder woman who act like in any way Batman is a threat to them.

    I'll stop ranting cuz I can honestly go on. But I will say with the massive decline for me personally with these two, I've been far more receptive of some of the other DC characters that I used to overlook when I was younger. I can't believe I 100% slept on the flash like that dude is straight boss. Or plastic man! So at least some good came of it.

    TheAlbatross ,

    Superman. He just does everything and wins. Unless you show him a green rock.

    It's stupid. I don't understand how it ever interested anyone.

    Susaga ,
    @Susaga@sh.itjust.works avatar

    First, the appeal of Superman is his heart more than his strength. There's one comic where he fights a giant robot and stops a runaway train, but the scene everyone remembers is when he talked someone down from the edge of a building.

    Second, Superman may be invincible, but Lois Lane isn't. It's easy to defeat a villain, but much harder to defeat them while also keeping Lois safe. And she actively invites danger, so it's always tricky keeping her safe.

    Third, not every problem can be punched. Luthor's greatest weapon against Superman isn't kryptonite; it's Public Relations. You can punch a monster, but that won't help you stop a smear campaign.

    BruceTwarzen ,

    It's stupid because you don't understand it? Aeems like you are the dumb one then.

    sxan ,
    @sxan@midwest.social avatar

    He's OK if you stick to classic Superman. He wasn't a god, back then. Couldn't turn back time, out-speed The Flash, or fly into the sun and pupate for a hundred years into some ultimate being.

    He became increasingly absurd over the years.

    tal , (edited )
    @tal@lemmy.today avatar

    Yeah, I don't think that it's a fantastic recipe for a character. The powers restrict the plots.

    I think that less-potent powers tend to make for better story.

    A lot of fictional series in various formats -- not just comic books -- make characters or events more-important or more-powerful over the course of the series, to top each previous episode, and I think that the plots tend to become increasingly constrained late in a lot of series.

    Stardust ,

    I love the version of Superman where he growing up and is friends with Luthor and he's like 'I cannot tell him my secret because my dad would disapprove' and it's got accidental closeted queer vibes.
    And there's this comic book (not in the same continuity) where Luthor is this mad genius who escapes from prison easily and Clark interviews him and he's like "I like you Clark, you're so humble and down to Earth, but I hate Superman who is the opposite of that."
    and then Lois likes Superman more than Clark, at least to start with, in some versions I think.
    And then with Brainiac there's the possible storyline of 'this computer has a lot of information stored on my lost culture but he is also an existential risk to all sapients everywhere in the galaxy ahhhhggg'.
    And how will Clark deal with an environment where everyone is hostile to immigrants when he is one himself and also dedicated to upholding the law?
    And the first comic where he interacts with Batman is actually fairly good: Batman threatens to bomb people if Superman unmasks him and Superman is like 'oh shit, he is not lying, I can hear his heartbeat', but Batman was actually threatening to explode himself. And the cartoon where Batman is fighting Brainiac and his costume gets ripped to reveal he was Superman all along was hilarious: "I did not predict this possibility." The Justice League series in general (part of the same continuity) was pretty good actually.

    I like the potential stories there. There's so many emotional possibilities. Stories where he just punches stuff are indeed boring. He is, frankly, under-utilized as a character imo because many writers don't understand that, or think the solution is to make a version of him that is evil which still involves him punching stuff, or because they're scared to actually touch on political issues like immigration or queerness. (can you imagine how many people would explode if Luthor was an ex-boyfriend for both him and Lois and they bonded over how shitty Luthor was as a date lol.)

    Kalothar ,

    I’m a big fan of Supes myself, but it depends on who’s writing him and what the goal is.

    He is at his best when it’s a problem he can’t punch away, it’s about courage, and honor of defending others. Superman without powers is still the same stand up powerful character, that is crux of what makes him interesting.

    WeLoveCastingSpellz ,

    it's his ideals make him interesting, his nemesis litterally is an evil billonaire

    xkforce ,

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    WeLoveCastingSpellz ,

    you are too focussed on the x vs y aspect of the stories. To me fights are the least interesting part you should read all star superman

    basilisa ,

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    Aermis ,

    Then this question was not for you. Why did you even answer?

    A_Very_Big_Fan ,

    "Being a grownup, I spend no time thinking about media or hobbies. Real adults watch paint dry and mow the lawn 🤓☝️"

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