cultsuperstar ,

Duh? We know already know this. Their main concern is staying in office for as long as possible and see how badly they can fuck up the country.

Asafum ,

Duh? We know already know this. Their main concern is staying in office for as long as possible and see how badly they can fuck up the country. much they can grow their own bank accounts.

The destruction of the country is just a byproduct of their greed. :(

MapleEngineer ,
@MapleEngineer@lemmy.world avatar
yokonzo ,

Abolish the electoral college

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

And the Senate, while you're at it.

explodicle ,

And FPTP

Gradually_Adjusting ,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

The fact that I'm 100% confident this will never happen, and absolutely needs to, convinced me to leave the states.

explodicle ,

It's been gaining in popularity among Democrats, but I can't fault you for not holding your breath.

Gradually_Adjusting ,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

Still voting in the states, mind you. Dual citizen 🥳

SturgiesYrFase ,

Idk why you're being downvoted for this. You're required to file with the IRS if you live and work abroad, you absolutely should be voting.

Gradually_Adjusting ,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

We are cosmic beings of chaos at the infinite center of creation. Anyone who thinks we should care about a few grumpy clicks ought to be sold to a cat food company.

bradorsomething ,

The only thing both parties agree on is that rank or star voting is bad for them.

ZombiFrancis ,

The sudden spike coincides with the Citizens United and SpeechNow SCOTUS decisions.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

It's been trending for some time. Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent" describes a host of national policies that were intensely disliked when they began and only became normalized after years of mass media manipulation.

The Drug Wars, opposition to the Civil Rights and Women's Rights movements, most of our wars after WW2, our large scale claw backs of social spending and ballooning security state budgets, our habit of subsidizing sports stadiums and toxic waste sites, etc - all need regular continued media investment for fear of a popular turn.

SCOTUS widened the spigots for political spending in pursuit of these goals. But it's not like the WSJ or AM Radio or the cable news companies weren't already flush with propaganda before the CU decision. It's not like CU was necessary for the volume of social media manipulation, either.

ZombiFrancis ,

No the decisions weren't necessary for all that, but for the one simple graph tracking campaign costs it was particularly salient.

corsicanguppy ,

I want to understand what Skippy says, but when 'literally' is the best adverb available I just don't want to hear any more.

Melvin_Ferd ,

Y'all should check out Doug Ford and the Ontario Science center shit show if you like this type of story.

TheReturnOfPEB ,

Each congressperson represents too many people.

We need to add seats to the House of Representatives.

Liz ,

Quintuple the number of seats in each district, use Sequential Proportional Approval Voting to elect the five members of each district.

crusa187 ,

Let’s add some seats to the Supreme Court while we’re at it.

Asafum ,

We can't do that or Republicans will never have control of government.

I mean that's a good thing, and we'll finally have some semblance of representation, but it's exactly why we can't do it. :(

Takina_sOldPairTM ,
@Takina_sOldPairTM@lemmy.world avatar

MJ's "They Don't Care About Us", still relevant to the times.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

Same with Stevie Wonder's "You Haven't Done Nothin'"

We are amazed but not amused

By all the things you say that you'll do

Though much concerned but not involved

With decisions that are made by you

Ultragigagigantic ,
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UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

George Bush doesn't care about Black People

_number8_ ,

yeah no fucking shit, can we stop pretending this system is effective or worth defending?

A Congressman is a hog! You must take a stick and hit him on the snout!

- Henry Adams, 1906

AVincentInSpace ,

This study is bunk.

Researchers critiquing the paper found that middle-income Americans and rich Americans actually agree on an overwhelming majority of topics. Out of the 1,779 bills in the Gilens/Page data set, majorities of the rich and middle class agree on 1,594; there are 616 bills both groups oppose and 978 bills both groups favor. That means the groups agree on 89.6 percent of bills.

That leaves only 185 bills on which the rich and the middle class disagree, and even there the disagreements are small. On average, the groups' opinion gaps on the 185 bills is 10.9 percentage points; so, say, 45 percent of the middle class might support a bill while 55.9 percent of the rich support it.

Bashir and Branham/Soroka/Wlezien find that on these 185 bills, the rich got their preferred outcome 53 percent of the time and the middle class got what they wanted 47 percent of the time.

https://www.vox.com/2016/5/9/11502464/gilens-page-oligarchy-study

^Inb4^ ^10^ ^downvotes^ ^and^ ^0^ ^replies.^

Burghler ,

What does bunk mean here?

n3m37h ,

Bullshit

Nimrod ,

I think the fact that there are ~40% of bills that both rich and middle class Americans oppose is pretty solid proof that congress doesn’t give a shit about what American citizens want them to pass… or am i misinterpreting this?

meowMix2525 , (edited )

Also, why the focus on rich and middle class? Is the vast majority of america not "lower"/working class? Edit: it seems like the entire conclusion of the study is based on the influence that money has in politics.

One thing that does have an influence? Money. While the opinions of the bottom 90% of income earners in America have a “statistically non-significant impact,” economic elites, business interests, and people who can afford lobbyists still carry major influence.

Of course if you focus only on people with money then you will come up with a conflicting result... so yeah. I also feel like I am missing something here.

AsherahTheEnd ,

Us poor people aren't actually people. What we think and believe doesn't matter to people like the original commenter calling this "bunk".

masquenox ,

This study is bunk.

No. It isn't.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

the rich got their preferred outcome 53 percent of the time and the middle class got what they wanted 47 percent of the time.

Okay, but there's a large third traunch of voters you're neglecting

BarrelAgedBoredom ,

The poors aren't people silly!

AVincentInSpace ,

They were also neglected by the people who made the study the link in the post is talking about, so the study is still bunk and we should perhaps do another one

ramble81 ,

And a lot of this comes from not fucking voting. I seriously wonder how things would be if voting was mandatory and everyone was given appropriate time off to do it.

Oisteink ,

as long as they vote along party lines more than according to what the politicians do, number of votes does not improve this.

Viking_Hippie ,
PopOfAfrica ,

Unfortunately, I think it's exactly the opposite. They don't have to do anything that people want to vote for them anyway.

TropicalDingdong ,
PopOfAfrica ,

People on this website are understandably losing their minds because we've let this type of politics fester so much that the stakes are genuinely high this election cycle. But the stakes are only so high because we keep attempting the same thing over and over again. At this point, I'm not even advocating for a third party. I just want Democrats to do better instead of being less crappy than the other guys.

CitizenKong ,

In Germany we only vote on Sundays and it's super easy, barely an inconvenience. We're still lucky when more than two thirds vote. People are in general are lazy and stupid.

Crackhappy ,
@Crackhappy@lemmy.world avatar

Ryan, that you?

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

"Super einfach, kaum eine Unannehmlichkeit!"

eatthecake ,

That would be Australia. We are less extreme than the US but still succumb to fear tactics. We did manage to get marriage equality despite a conservative government so there's that.

ZeroHora ,
@ZeroHora@lemmy.ml avatar

Sorry but mandatory vote solves nothing. You'll still have a lot of people alienate about politics and now they had to vote and they'll make their choices like a popularity contest.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

mandatory vote solves nothing

It theoretically solves structural disenfranchisement, as a mandate to vote is implicitly a mandate to allow people to vote.

In practice, though? States can still layer on all sorts of Jim Crow shit to screen out the lower classes again.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

You can vote for whichever politician you like, so long as it's AIPAC approved.

explodicle ,

Isn't that how it works in Australia?

Ultragigagigantic ,
@Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world avatar

Make voting the last part of doing your taxes. You get $5 for voting. The person is already verified when submitting, piggyback on that process.

dohpaz42 ,
@dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

Shit, y’all could’ve saved a ton of time and effort if you’d have just asked me; I’ve been saying this for years. And it’s only worse when you’re the one speck of blue in a red sea.

Viking_Hippie ,

It's one of those things that are obvious to reasonable people but it's nice to have proof for when you run into unreasonable people who deny it.

_number8_ ,

i love getting scolded about voting when even if I personally managed to pull off a miracle and convert one thousand people to vote for biden, it wouldn't make a bit of difference.

dohpaz42 ,
@dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

jUsT VoTE!!1!!11

As if voting for president makes any difference, when it’s the electoral college who makes the final decision. And they’ve proven in the past that they’ll do what they want.

AeroLemming ,

Friendly reminder that Donald Trump LOST the popular vote in 2016 and was illegitimately put into power by the rogue electoral college. His presidency should never have happened.

Sanctus ,
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I remember watching this nearly 6 years after release and how relevant it still was. It still is relevant. End Citizens United if you want to even begin to take our country back.

sunzu , (edited )

Is this the 20 year old study being pulled out for 2024 election cycle?

PS 10 years

Fuckfuckmyfuckingass ,
@Fuckfuckmyfuckingass@lemmy.world avatar

Do you think it's gotten any better?

sunzu ,

Quality of life getting better, people around me buying houses and having children...

Not

Lost_My_Mind ,

People around you are buying houses??? You mean like real people, and not chinese puppet companies who buy entire cities in an attempt to artificially inflate rent prices?

Bob_Robertson_IX ,

Houses in my neighborhood are selling as soon as they hit the market, and yes, my neighbors are real people and are actually the homeowners. The family that just moved in next door are immigrants, the wife is a manager at a logistics center and her husband works nights at the local Amazon warehouse.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Wait.....you live in an area where people own their own homes, and talk to their neighbors???

My neighbor moved in 15 years ago. I had no idea until 6 years ago. Still haven't talked to him, or know his name. I just know sometimes he wears green shirts.

I hope he has family and loved ones. If he got hit by a bus, I'd hate for his obituary to read

"He was a quiet neighbor, who sometimes wore green shirts. One time he had a dog, but I think he was just dog watching for a friend. Beautiful dog though. Golden retriever, healthy full coat of fur."

Viking_Hippie ,

I just know sometimes he wears green shirts

That's Dave. I'd steer clear unless you're into Warhammer 40k

spujb ,

careful lol, it’s 10 years old. sep 18, 2014. not sure if that was a typo or an exaggeration but it is technically a mistruth.

https://www.scholars.northwestern.edu/en/publications/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-

sunzu ,

Thank you for the precise info.

I was being hyperbolic no doubt. But point still stands tho lol

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