Stonehenge sprayed with paint by environmental protesters ( www.dw.com )

The prehistoric megalithic structure in England has been targeted by activists spraying orange powder paint, social media footage showed.

Environmental protesters sprayed paint on Stonehenge on Wednesday, with footage showing an orange powder covering some of the stones.

Two protesters dressed in white were seen running towards two of the megaliths, spraying paint, as another person attempted to stop them, in footage released by Just Stop Oil, an environmental activist group focused on the issue of human-caused climate change.

StaySquared ,

So... they deface a wonder of the world? WTF did Stonehenge ever do to these weirdos?

WindyRebel ,

Big stone is increasing carbon into the air and it doesn’t care!

/s

StaySquared ,

lol.

nucleative ,

The most effective method of protesting would be to find a way to get the masses to turn against the lawmakers in such a way that they convince the lawmakers to solve the problem that the protest is focused against.

But most of these protests just piss off the masses. They run their day with traffic, they destroy heritage sites that people care about, and while they do get in the news and get some publicity, people's memory is quite negative. And there are zero focus on anybody who could actually change the situation.

Adanisi ,
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"destroy heritage sites"

It's cornflour lmfao. It's probably been washed away by now.

Gakomi ,

I hate this kind of idiot shit, how do they think this will help their cause? Vandalising a fucking historical monument that does not affect in any way shape or form the environment will just hurt their cause!

BruceTwarzen ,

A bunch of old ass rocks that you have to pay money to look at. I hope all that ancient ass shit goes away at some point and humans can look forward.

mechoman444 ,

All these idiots make me want to do is go dump crude oil into the ocean just to spite them!

(Sarcasm kind of.)

badbytes ,

Paint washes off bro

Twitches ,

Not always homey, but, not really the point.

Adanisi ,
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It's not even paint, it's cornstarch

RizzRustbolt ,

Congrats on your ancient druid curse.

spujb ,

i feel like druids, if forced to pick a side, might be on the side favoring protecting nature :)

bloodfart ,

Good. They should block the roads too.

dQw4w9WgXcQ ,

I still subscribe to the theory that these people are hired actors from Big Oil. They are experts at being unlikable and naturally pushes me towards the opposing side. It sucks.

spujb ,

genuinely i used to subscribe to the same theory

and then it switched. i think they’re here genuinely. not even sure what happened to change my mind. your mileage may vary? but i get where you are coming from.

VinnyDaCat ,

Just be skeptical about it from both perspectives.

Bad actors do exist but they're not to blame for everything despite almost any organization or movement these days attempting to scapegoat any poor publicity they experience as bad actors.

Adanisi ,
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If a small group annoying you pushes you towards not caring about the climate, you never cared about the climate.

dQw4w9WgXcQ ,

Don't worry, it's not like I'm yielding. The point is that I find them to be detractors rather than attractors to join our common goal of not eliminating ourselves.

neidu2 ,

I remember hearing claims that this was the case. I have no idea how true that is, but I would be 0% surprised if it was.

tobogganablaze ,

That sure would explain a lot ... but I think in the end Hanlon's razor applies.

spujb ,

yknow what fuck it, i support this. i was a little on the reactionary side back when they were throwing soup,

but after seeing hundreds of comments saying “just do <insert violent felony> if you want something done” and then seeing those same people turn around and say “but safely blocking streets in protest is an affront to my rights, stop being annoying”

…i get it now. it’s cornstarch and will wash off. calling for “optics” is just concern trolling. people are hearing about it. that’s the point. fuck oil. keep up the messaging. people are going to starve and drown and bleed from war caused by climate change. we are gonna survive a few people yeeting nonpermanent shit at public art.

intensely_human ,

If it’s cornstarch that will wash off, then the headline is a lie and your quarrel is with whoever wrote that, not the people who believe the headline and believe stonehenge is getting actually defaced.

qevlarr ,
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True, but also there's the more general point about "I support the cause but not the method" naysayers being absolutely counterproductive. Climate protesters are finding themselves cut off from every method of protest, violent or not. Because lots of people want to continue business as usual in peace without those pesky tree huggers complaining about, y'know, the fact we're already well past the Paris 1.5 °C target with no end in sight

intensely_human ,

People have the right to do as they please, even if it means choosing a path toward their own demise.

People aren’t unaware of climate change. Everyone knows about it. What you’re seeing is a manifestation of the average human’s ranking of climate change in their own list of things to be concerned about.

You have no right to tell someone that climate change is more important than the things they choose to focus on instead.

If you think they’re mistaken about what’s on the table, like they underestimate the danger or something like that, then the right move is to inform them. All this protest activity is implicitly based on the assumption people just sort of … forgot about climate change.

They didn’t. They just don’t prioritize it over the other problems in their lives. Which is their right.

Blackbeard ,
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Amen. Plus some of us do prioritize it. We've minimized our carbon footprint, we've dedicated careers to environmental awareness and protection, and we spend countless hours in our own lives to communicate the reality of the situation to others, but we resent the fact that these protestors push people away from the rest of our messaging by making us look like a group of unhinged, attention-seeking morons.

FinalRemix ,

"Carbon footprint" was invented by BP as a marketing ploy.

Blackbeard ,
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I didn't say it wasn't.

n1ck_n4m3 , (edited )
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On top of that, one of the biggest problems with climate change is that us as individual citizens have absolutely no control over it no matter how many people try and guilt us into taking action.

No amount of individuals recycling, driving less or with a more efficient vehicle or with an electric car, or drinking less water is going to change the fact that container ships, factories, manufacturing facilities, cruise ships, private jets, etc. belch more pollutants into the atmosphere by so many orders of magnitude that anything we can do as individuals is completely and utterly inconsequential in comparison.

Me recycling my plastic doesn't mean shit and it never will. Same with me driving an electric car vs. a gas powered car, hell even me driving a car with good fuel economy vs one that has bad fuel economy. Cargo shipping is responsible for more than 20% of the greenhouse gas emissions in the world while passenger automobiles are responsible for 5%-7% at most based on recent estimates. If every single person in the world stopped driving fossil-fuel powered cars and moved entirely to renewable fuel sources for their transportation, it would still be a drop in the bucket -- and that's never going to happen.

But the media keeps pointing the shotgun at everyday citizens like it's our fault that cruise ships belch shit into the atmosphere when we haven't been on a cruise in 10 years, or it's our fault that the shipping industry refuses to use more ecological and eco-friendly fuel sources.

Tell me more about how me as a single person recycling is gonna save the world, lol.

qevlarr ,
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Just Stop Oil is specifically pointing to governments to stop new oil projects. They aren't blaming you, why are you so defensive?

qarbone ,

Because most protests are about making the lives of normal people miserable until they're pissed enough to hold someone to task.

Are the Tories gonna care that Stonehenge was dusted, from in their mansions? Most of them would love to dig up the stones and use them as new countertops, simply as a bragging point at their parties. But normal people that care about landmarks like these will be pissed and, maybe, bitch to the government.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Because most protests are about making the lives of normal people miserable until they’re pissed enough to hold someone to task.

And how is that working for you? How is diet-terrorism panning out?

afraid_of_zombies ,

that container ships, factories, manufacturing facilities, cruise ships, private jets, etc. belch more pollutants into the atmosphere by so many orders of magnitude that anything we can do as individuals is completely and utterly inconsequential in comparison.

In my area they were talking about building a natural gas plant. We have some of the strictest laws on earth about air pollution. People protested against it. The planet got moved to a different state, one with less regulations.

I mentioned this to one of the people organizing the protest. I point out exactly what was going to happen and my prediction was correct. If the decision is already being made to do the wrong thing I want it done by the best person I can find, because they will do it in the least offensive way that they can.

It's shit like this. It's not being able to look at the whole picture that is the most devastating.

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    qevlarr ,
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    If it's your personal choice, don't fuck up MY planet then

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    You would have to be the laziest dumbest motherfucker who has ever lived to not be able to get a job in recycling or renewable energy sector right now if you want one.

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    Zess ,

    That's not even half as clever as you think it is.

    spujb ,

    dude im not trying to be clever i just don’t like people telling me what i believe. do you?

    lepinkainen ,

    It was coloured corn starch, and the stones have lichen growing on them that has helped them survive this long.

    Nobody knows what the colouring agent was.

    spujb ,

    If it causes lasting damages they will and should be prosecuted for exactly what happens. I’m hoping they did their due diligence but hey, if not that was dumb as hell of them and they should pay for it.

    Again though, the sentiment remains that people are going to die. That damage is also irreparable and far less redeemable. I support this kind of action.

    Bertuccio ,

    Even if they did damage anything their message is that anyone getting mad about damaging works of art or heritage sites through direct action should be just as mad about people destroying the actual entire planet indirectly and calling for their immediate imprisonment too.

    As annoying as I find them and as much as I want to preserve these things, they're exactly right that paintings and rocks mean fuckall if we ruin our only home.

    fine_sandy_bottom ,

    Yeah I'm on board now.

    These stunts are a harmless way to keep climate activism in the media. It's fine.

    Sadly, I don't see human kind changing course and I think it's inevitable that this kind of activism deteriorates into environmental terrorism.

    Crikeste ,

    The people up in arms about the protests have never given a shit about the things the protesters “destroy”. It’s all just an optics game to make any dissenting opinion from the norm look batshit. Fuck the pieces of shit getting up in arms about this without knowing what’s up. Theyre the problem. They make the world worse every day they exist. They stop change. They allow for the atrocities to be committed.

    cupcakezealot ,
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    a reminder that the people complaining about how awful it is to desecrate stonehenge also want to build a motorway right through it

    corsicanguppy ,

    the people complaining about how awful it is to desecrate stonehenge also want to build a motorway right through it

    I can't be the only counterexample of this ridiculous generalization.

    intensely_human ,

    Is it? Is it those same people?

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Yes exactly. Everyone on earth that doesn't like the idea of paint being sprayed on it is also pushing for a motorway to be built right through it. No exceptions, no questions, no quarter

    Emerald ,

    who is wanting to build route-stonehenge?

    ArmokGoB ,

    Guilt by association fallacy. Both of these things are bad. Not wanting to see an ancient monument be defaced does not make you a Tory.

    VelvetStorm ,

    Ffs just blow up a pipeline or sabotage parts of their infrastructure or follow the higher ups home and deface their homes.

    Prandom_returns ,

    These are all felonies.

    VelvetStorm ,

    Spray painting someone's house is not a felony. Also who cares.

    Prandom_returns ,

    Stalking is.

    Who cares? I'm sure the people who trying to protest without becoming felons. What is this take...

    VelvetStorm ,

    Following someone once is not stalking. For stalking there has to be a persistent pattern. Or else women would be able to get stalkers arrested a lot more often instead of being killed by them.

    Prandom_returns ,

    Fucking thank you for the nitpicking. I'm sure you can deduct where people live if you followed them somewhere once.

    Christ almighty the thickness.

    Encouraging people to do crimes IRL, while posting on the internet anonymously, sitting on your fat ass consuming resources that accelerate climate change.

    VelvetStorm ,

    How do the boots and assholes of the Uber wealthy taste btw? From the way you are munchin down I would guess pretty good but I would like to know your first hand knowledge.

    Prandom_returns ,

    Explain the correlation between you not understanding what a protest is and me supposedly "munching boots".

    Sit the fuck back down, basement-dweller, and enjoy people doing the hard work of resisting the status quo for you.

    VelvetStorm ,

    You are the one sticking up for oil executives, not me, but sure, I'm the bad one.

    GBU_28 ,

    Property damage over a certain sum is

    Adanisi ,
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    This is the UK. "Felonies" 🙄

    But yeah it's a lot more severe and they'd probably be out of activism forever.

    Prandom_returns ,

    Fucking so sorry my second language isn't up to par to your standards.

    What's the right term here, "a proper naughty twat?"

    Adanisi ,
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    That would be "crime".

    A felony is a type of crime which doesn't exist here.

    You can't just get upset if someone points out you've used a word wrong. Words have meanings and while getting it wrong, especially as a second language, isn't bad, it's still incorrect and can be confusing (e.g. most people would assume you're talking about US law when you talk about felonies).

    Prandom_returns ,

    I can get upset when instead of correcting me in the first comment, you mocked me.

    Assuming everyone's aware of the US/UK law and their nomenclature is too much sniffing of your on farts.

    Or is it flatulence. Toots?

    Oh and lastly, the person I replied to, listed random crimes/felonies, and didn't specify the country those crimes/felonies should be done.

    Adanisi ,
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    From context, it's clear that it'd be UK action, considering JSO is a UK group.

    Prandom_returns ,

    Climate activism isn't limited to JSO

    Adanisi ,
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    In this thread we're talking about the effectiveness of JSOs methods and what they "should do" instead.

    Prandom_returns ,

    We were talking about something else before you "acktchually" this convo.

    Adanisi , (edited )
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    Point to the comment in this chain where we aren't talking about what JSO is/should be doing before I got involved, then. With a quote and a link.

    PS there's only one comment before mine and yours and it's talking about what JSO "should" do. I'll save you time:

    https://lemmy.world/comment/10732265

    Ffs just blow up a pipeline or sabotage parts of their infrastructure or follow the higher ups home and deface their homes

    Prandom_returns ,

    Right, so you think that the person thinks that vandalism of notable monuments as protest in other countries by other groups of people is fine?

    It's Just JSO in UK that should act differently.

    Christ, I thought they teach this shit in schools.

    Duke_Nukem_1990 ,

    ,they said, sitting at home, doing nothing.

    Zess ,

    So they did just as much as the protesters in this case.

    GBU_28 ,

    Nothing is preferred than destroying cultural artifacts.

    All this does is drive people away from the cause.

    Duke_Nukem_1990 ,

    None of the people clutching their pearls about this would have done anything anways.

    GBU_28 ,

    That would be ideal.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Spent the whole day doing things about it at my job.

    lepinkainen ,

    Or go sabotage a monument in Saudi-Arabia, they produce more oil than anyone.

    Throwing orange corn starch on the Black Stone in Mecca would be amazing press.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    They won't do that. That would involve being killed. There is a reason why Peta throws red paint on old ladies wearing fur and not on biker gangs wearing leather.

    The very worst thing the UK government is going to do is throw them in jail for a few months, maybe a small fine.

    nialv7 ,

    And they did, literally destroyed a couple fuel pumps at two gas stations: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/apr/28/just-stop-oil-protesters-sabotage-petrol-pumps-on-m25-motorway

    Did you hear about that on the news? Did you see this being posted on Lemmy?

    Now you know why they have to do what they do.

    VelvetStorm ,

    All they do is make people not care about their cause.

    nialv7 ,

    Sure made me care.

    dukepontus ,

    No, those people already dont care. They just need an excuse for their inaction.

    Cyberjin ,

    I can't simple not see any logic reason in what they are doing...

    Might as well paint a toilet orange at the local library and say it's for the environment.

    Probably requires harsh cleaning and that goes into the ground..

    missphant ,
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    Probably requires harsh cleaning and that goes into the ground..

    It's cornstarch, it requires water (rain).

    Cyberjin ,

    My cornstarch isn't orange by default...

    TempermentalAnomaly ,

    The difficulty of adding orange food coloring to cornstarch is an insurmountable chemical process.

    heatofignition ,

    The point is to get us talking about it. I'd say they succeeded.

    Cyberjin ,

    Ah! similar to people that wants cloud on social.

    heatofignition ,

    Sure, if you want to phrase it that way. Just slightly different motivation.

    Cyberjin ,

    Slightly, but basically the same thing 🤣

    ThrowawayPermanente ,

    Brave and Important

    Swarfega ,

    I'm all for their cause but they've been going about it the wrong way every single time. They do nothing but piss the general public off. The very people you actually need to get on your side.

    FluffyPotato ,

    When they block oil terminals, spray paint car dealerships of the heaviest polluters or set themselves on fire the news doesnt cover it so no one will even know, while this actually works.

    Fedegenerate , (edited )

    Hehe, I see what you did there.

    MLK on climate change (probably):

    […]that [humanities] great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the [oil company] or the [billionaire] but the white moderate, who is more devoted to ‘order’ than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: ‘I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action’; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises [climate aware] to wait for a ‘more convenient season.’

    JeeBaiChow ,

    'Rocks, don't fight back' - Bruce Lee.

    Something like that.

    Swarfega ,

    Enter the Dragon quote 🙏

    Lyre ,

    The amount of knee jerk rage I've seen over paint whenever one of these incidents happens. Its paint. It comes off. Its an extremely effective strategy to get attention while causing little to no damage.

    FluffyPotato ,

    In this case it's actually dyed corn starch so this would literally wash off from the first rain. And yea, this actually gets attention, when they spray painted car dealerships of some of the heaviest polluters, protested oil companies and when a guy set himself on fire to protest climate change it gets almost no coverage.

    Murvel ,

    Bullshit. It's an archeological site. The now faded ancient paintings risks being ruined as a result of this idiocy.

    FluffyPotato ,

    If dyed cornstarch could destroy anything on the stonehenge then it already would have been. You know it's outside, right?

    Murvel ,

    Paint and 'being outside' are two very different things.

    You slow or something?

    FluffyPotato ,

    Are you? Something just left outside for a long ass time will take more damage than even a spray of lead paint can do. And this is just corn starch, not even paint.

    Murvel ,

    “They are sensitive and they are completely covered in prehistoric markings which remain to be fully studied,”

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamiecartereurope/2024/06/19/stonehenge-sprayed-with-orange-paint-on-the-day-before-summer-solstice/

    So the archeologists are worried but not you, since you, being the goddamn genius you are, are sure it's all fine.

    I don't even know why I start these arguments with the all-knowing wizards on Lemmy.

    FluffyPotato ,

    How about check the source of the quotes: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cw44mdee0zzo

    The reporter first on the scene was concerned. The archaeologist was worried about the lichen growing on the stones, not the stones.

    Murvel ,

    Just stop, for once in your life, admit that you don't know what you're talking about, just this instance.

    TempermentalAnomaly ,

    The quote is not in the link you provided. Where did you get that quote?

    Murvel ,

    Yes, it is, I just double-checked

    CileTheSane ,
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    Full context:

    The orange cornflour used to spray the monuments will be washed away by rain, said Just Stop Oil. However, according to the BBC, experts will need to assess the stones to see if lasting damage has been caused. “They are sensitive and they are completely covered in prehistoric markings which remain to be fully studied,” said Mike Pitts, archaeologist and author of How to Build Stonehenge, to the BBC.

    That doesn't say they think there is damage, just that they haven't been able to assess it yet.

    Murvel ,

    So? I never said it's permanently damaged (sure fucking hope not) I said the archeologists where worried it had been.

    CileTheSane ,
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    Nothing there indicates that the archeologists are actually worried, just that they haven't assessed it yet.

    Murvel ,

    He says that the paintings are sensitive to damage, it's in the quote, now stop wasting my time.

    Caligvla ,
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    ... God damn it, people. This accomplishes nothing and just makes people angry at you, dipshits.

    FluffyPotato ,

    This has been the most effective form of climate protest by far. When they block oil terminals or spray paint car dealerships no one will cover it making the protest pretty much useless, like a guy set himself on fire to protest climate change and that was barely covered. The stuff they do doesn't actually cause any damage but the media actually covers it because they can spin it as rage bait against the protestors but at least it gets coverage.

    Plopp ,

    Coverage, yes. But the result of that coverage? Making people not want to support climate activism, and maybe even have a negative reaction to anything climate positive. And how effective is that coverage in helping the climate? What changes in climate related policy can be traced back to any of these actions?

    FluffyPotato ,

    It spreads awerness, no other climate protest has even managed that. Some people obviously fall for the news rage bait but if even 1% of people gain any awerness of climate change it will have been the most effective form of climate protests by far purely on what reach it has had.

    geophysicist ,

    Hard disagree. Everyone in the UK HATES these people. To the point at which the government has been able to pass new laws limiting right to protest.

    FluffyPotato ,

    The UK also has a weird hatred of trans people, I'd rather not get my opinions from there. Also the UK has been passing police state shit long before this.

    13esq ,

    You'll find that whilst far from perfect, that the UK is one of the most accepting and diverse populations on earth.

    FluffyPotato ,

    I'm sure that's why it's also known as terf island.

    13esq ,

    I'm not taking the bait. There's obviously many worse countries than the UK to be trans in and like I've already said, the UK isn't perfect but it wouldn't be as diverse as it is without being as accepting as it is.

    You can reply to this if you want, but don't expect me to reply in turn, this is my final statement on the matter.

    FluffyPotato , (edited )

    If you wanna measure your country against those that outright kills trans people then sure, there are worse ones but in Europe, most North America and most of Asia the UK is one of the worst places to be trans. Also both of your relevant politician parties have the same policy there.

    FangedWyvern42 ,
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    Not everyone in the U.K. is a transphobe. Are you actually a moron?

    ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

    but he identifies as very smart aktuly.

    FluffyPotato ,

    Yes, I said literally every person in the UK wants to kill every trans person. That's definitely what I said.

    Obviously sarcasm but I feel like I need to mention it.

    geophysicist ,

    Complete rubbish. A close friend is trans and your ramblings do not match with reality

    FluffyPotato ,

    I'm sure you have some black friends too

    geophysicist ,

    Troll

    geophysicist ,

    Literally never heard that phrase before so I highly doubt it

    geophysicist ,

    Only if you believe what the conservatives want you to believe, and only if you sign up for their culture war narrative

    FluffyPotato ,

    The Labor party runs the same anti trans stuff as the Tories.

    geophysicist ,

    The fact that you can't even spell Labour correctly says enough about the quality of your research on their policies

    FluffyPotato ,

    The UK has become completely irrelevant on the global stage be grateful I capitalised the names. Like your economy is being out paced by fucking Poland, shame is the proper response there, not national pride.

    geophysicist ,

    Irrelevant to the conversation. Nice try russian troll

    FluffyPotato ,

    Nice try, here in Estonia we hate Russians as much as the French hate anyone not French.

    Like if you wanna defend your failing country that has a two party system worse than the US go for it but at least try facts instead of national pride, it doesn't work if your country is being out paced by eastern Europe.

    geophysicist ,

    Nice try troll

    13esq , (edited )

    Who made you ambassador for the UK? I'm in the UK and I don't hate them.

    The whole point of protest is to cause disruption, you're not meant to like it, that's the point!

    geophysicist ,

    Yeah it can cause disruption, I agree. However it should preferably cause disruption for the people you have a problem with. Or simply by using public space which is equally theirs.

    Making headlines by defacing historical monuments and art isn't really getting the public on their side. I'm left wing, most of the people I engage with are, and I've yet to meet someone in real life who thinks what Just stop oil are doing is helpful

    13esq ,

    Do you remember when their protest outside the HQ of BP made the news? Me neither, but I'm sure the high rollers on their 6, 7, 8 figure salaries felt terribly inconvenienced!

    I don't have to agree with their methods or their ideology to recognise their right to protest. We're talking about dyed cornstarch here, it's not like they blew the thing up.

    geophysicist ,

    If the high rollers didn't feel inconveniences then their protest wasn't very effective! If they can effectively inconvenience the public to the extent that the government can pass new authoritarian anti-protest laws, but they failed to actually inconvenience the high rollers then what the hell are they doing and isn't this opinion that they're not really benefiting the movement actually quite an accurate one?

    Passerby6497 ,

    I don't have to agree with their methods or their ideology to recognise their right to protest.

    And I don't have to not recognize their right to protest while also recognizing that their protest, while bringing attention to the cause that won't move the needle, is also bringing attention to the cause that will also set their purported goals back.

    Cyberjin ,

    I would disagree.
    Like Greta Thunberg , did it right.
    peaceful protest and didn't vandalize.

    She spoke in front the of UN. These guys are doing it wrong.

    itslilith ,
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    And what did that accomplish?

    Cyberjin ,

    Awareness and debate ¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯
    She did inspire the youth

    Blackbeard ,
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    What did the Stonehenge vandals accomplish?

    Lileath ,
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    And there are thousands of people that express their hatred for her and the movement she stamds for, even threatening to rape and kill her.

    In Germany there are regular street blockades and Airport disruptions and the average response to these things was people wanting to run them over with their cars.

    Cyberjin ,

    There will always be haters, but I'm not sure what point your bringing up?

    I'm just saying there are more peaceful way to do things like this, without vandalizing.

    ShepherdPie ,

    Yeah this is totally selfish and just brings attention to them while harming their supposed cause.

    GBU_28 ,

    No, this only further entrenches the entrenched.

    ShepherdPie ,

    Much like my witnessing PETA protestors screaming in the face of little children with a bullhorn because they happened to be waiting in line for the circus. I can support removing elephants from a life of circus performing, but I absolutely cannot stand PETA (for this and other reasons like euthanizing people's pets).

    Duke_Nukem_1990 ,

    Your PETA horror story didn't happen lmao

    sandbox ,

    Pretty much every shocking PETA truth is either taken out of context or completely fabricated. They’ve done one thing which I disapprove of, which is the weird “milk makes autism worse” advert they ran. other than that they’re fine imo.

    ShepherdPie ,

    I don't know if the euthanasia stories are true, but I witnessed the screaming into bullhorns personally as I was also waiting in the line with my kid.

    grrgyle ,
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    Nah I'm into it

    nialv7 ,

    Speak for yourself. This made me support them.

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