milicent_bystandr ,

Did anyone check what that qr code in the image points to?

BillMurray ,

Doesn't seem to be valid.

Lun0tic ,

Missed opportunity 😑

Honytawk ,

Should have been a link to their own website to the page where this picture was uploaded.

That would be so meta.

milicent_bystandr ,

Should have emphasized a certain lack of up-giving and down-letting.

Klear ,

Or a link to their facebook page. Also meta.

NataliePortland ,
@NataliePortland@lemmy.ca avatar

I love people’s absolute moral outrage about scanning a QR code. The same folks crying bc they have to ask for a plastic straws or wear a smal piece of cloth on their face in the grocery store.

Cypher ,

It’s a genuine security risk.

Menus aren’t killing the environment either.

yukichigai ,
@yukichigai@kbin.social avatar

Yeah, I get wanting to not reprint menus every time something changes, but there are ways to do that which are more convenient and accessible than "scan a QR code to go to a random website and pray you have working internet access and also the site is working and up to date." Y'know, like a damn menu board on the wall. Whiteboard/chalkboard even!

Knightfox ,

This is my personal preference, a place I used to go a lot had a black board across one whole wall and the menu was hand written on it. The menu changed frequently and it was often full of flourish and creativity from some employee.

gila , (edited )
@gila@lemm.ee avatar

If you're using these links as restaurant menus as opposed to ordering platforms (this is how I use them, and how this post & other commenters seem to be presenting the concept) that's kind of limited to a risk of straight up being phished in a situation where you don't really have any reason to hand over your information.

In a pub/bar setting it's helpful to know what's available at the bar before I'm standing at it, especially if I'm buying a round. That is to say it generally lowers the bar to menu availability, not raise it. Because before the pub/bar would simply have no table menu and you'd figure out what you wanted by asking or looking at the taps

Cypher ,

There are clickless exploits and other methods that don't require you to enter information, nevermind that nearly all of these menus have ordering and payment available through them and mimicking websites is fairly simple.

QR codes cannot be trusted just like links from unknown sources cannot be trusted.

gila ,
@gila@lemm.ee avatar

I think you'll find there isn't an Android or iPhone on the market today vulnerable to SQL injection or XSS etc via scanning a QR code. You're talking about device vulnerabilities that get patched and it's equally possible to encounter these exploits with plaintext URLs

Cypher ,

You’re talking about device vulnerabilities that get patched

Patching out zero days takes time.

it’s equally possible to encounter these exploits with plaintext URLs

Yes which is why I clearly stated that following URLs from any unknown sources carries risk.

The difference is that due to menus being a point of payment they have a greater incentive for abuse.

gila ,
@gila@lemm.ee avatar

So we shouldn't use smartphone features if they could potentially have exploits? With this logic you shouldn't have a phone.

Baines ,

no but QR is a shit bug/exploit riddled mess of a format

hemko ,

We shouldn't replace perfectly good solutions with unreliable, cumbersome, insecure, annoying shitty tech just because.

gila , (edited )
@gila@lemm.ee avatar

My whole point is that the perfectly good extant solutions are equally flawed. QR codes don't create a situation where e.g mimicing a website is easier. It is already easy. It is not any more difficult to mimic a website with a fake domain name purposefully named in plaintext in a way to deceive.

Literally the only difference is you are looking at letters, which you are confident in your ability to parse, with a code which you are not. A URL being short and easy to type doesn't make it less likely to be malicious.

The key thing to remember is that yours, my, everyone's assessment of perceived risk is very incomplete. Your specific comfort with plaintext is itself a potential attack vector. So an approach to privacy/security where you simply avoid all possible circumstances with any perceived risk attached to them is a shitty approach. Engaging with an acceptable risk level is the only way to teach yourself vigilance.

People recently started seeing QR codes everywhere and feel confronted by this new reality, that's natural. But the truth is that this is fear of QR codes is irrational where it is not reconciled with the perceived risk of generally using the internet and following links. There might be a difference in the physical characteristics of the link format, but in terms of computer security the difference doesn't matter.

Just because some commenters here remember seeing a CVE in 2016, or read about QRgen one time, doesn't mean QR code protocol is inherently vulnerable. It is in fact quite ridiculous to suggest that would be the case and all the manufacturers would continue to support it.

lolcatnip ,

Thinking that simply visiting a web site for a business you've already decided to patronize is dangerous is some serious boomer logic.

hemko ,

If we only focus on the security part, how the do you know it's even their site you're visiting? Often those qr codes are just stickers on table, trivial to slap a new one there

But it also adds a lot of annoyance for customers who came to eat food, not doomscroll on their fucking mobile phone

Arcka ,

If the restaurant doesn't have a good enough reputation that I couldn't trust the QR they provided (which displays the URL so I can inspect it before launching the web browser), I also wouldn't want to trust my health to eating there.

It isn't like some random thing you found on the sidewalk.

gila ,
@gila@lemm.ee avatar

I'm pretty sure these are just an echo of the same concerns people put forward when URLs first started being included in signage, due to general privacy/security concerns with the internet. Somehow we got through it!

sqgl ,

It is a privacy/security issue, not moral. A QR eatery will probably not accept cash either.

chicken ,

The issue is because it connects with a website right? I wonder if there could be a way to encode the text of the menu in the QR code itself

lazynooblet ,
@lazynooblet@lazysoci.al avatar

The QR code would be huge lol

chicken ,

The largest can fit like 500-1k words, a restaurant menu could be less than that I think

sqgl ,

Yes web site is the issue.

Cannot embed menu instead because the QR code is a URL.

chicken ,

Why does QR code have to be URL only

hemko ,

Mostly because otherwise you'd need an app that knows how to read and display the data

chicken ,

oh, I don't use my phone much, assumed they should be able to show some kind of plaintext from a QR code by default

KuraiWolfGaming ,

You can. I've encoded text in QR codes using both an android app and a desktop program.

lolcatnip ,

The QR code would be so big you may as well just print a full menu instead. Here, for example, is a QR code containing the first two paragraphs of the US Declaration of Independence:

https://reddthat.com/pictrs/image/941b4429-2be9-47dc-b898-ba0b3cebefb2.png

It would have to be much, much bigger if you want to include any pictures.

chicken ,

Still seems much better than linking to a website.

sqgl ,

When it is that big you may as well print a conventional menu rather than QR code.

chicken ,

Only if you're giving everyone a copy, could be a big central printout, screen or projector.

xilliah , (edited )
@xilliah@beehaw.org avatar

I dislike qr menus mostly cuz their websites suck and I often don't carry a phone.

Edit: Let me just add that as a coder my dream is to one day be hired for a really expensive and complex project and to give them a solution that only uses paper.

Paper menus are just full color e ink large foldable ipads that don't weight a thing and are cheap, and have a super accessible interface.

yukichigai ,
@yukichigai@kbin.social avatar

I've used exactly one QR coded menu that didn't suck. Every other one was some manner of infuriating, top method being "every item takes up 75%+ of your phone's screen and is all arranged vertically so it's impossible to compare two items without scrolling through 3-40 screens worth".

jdf038 ,

That last bit is the most annoying part. I can't stand not being able to quickly skim and compare and since most restaurants have too many items on their menu at it is I find it especially annoying.

HikingVet ,

I wear masks, carry stainless steel straws so I don't have to use paper ones. You want me to eat at your establishment more than once, don't make me use my phone at meal time.

pastaPersona ,

God I hate the way this dude draws joints on people, elbows and shoulders are jutting out way too much and the people look like weird bony aliens wearing human skins that don’t fit right

TonyTonyChopper ,
@TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz avatar

Those are crucial features of political cartoons

eestileib ,

Just put it up on the wall if you're going to use a QR code.

yukichigai ,
@yukichigai@kbin.social avatar

At least as a backup. Sites break, internet goes down, occasionally people don't have their phones, so on. Or maybe I'm just sick of looking at my damn phone.

Anticorp ,

Right. We go out to eat to get away from the trappings of our mundane lives. Plus it's just chintzy.

themeatbridge ,

I don't know, man, I always hate political cartoons that feel the need to label everything. Like, is that necessary?

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@kbin.social avatar

It’s satire of political cartoons/right wing views.

GrabtharsHammer ,

It's not necessary. That is why this cartoon has them.

This artist makes cartoons that are parodies of over-labelled political cartoons. He satirizes by imitating his target's crappy form.

themeatbridge ,

In that case, well done.

funkless_eck ,

also if youre reading this and if you're not familiar with his work - the statue of liberty crying is in practically every cartoon as well.

lledrtx ,

If you're reading this and you are not familiar with it, holy shit I envy you because you are in for a treat, his comics are the best.

Klear ,

*latest fad

jaycifer ,

If reading these cartoons on and off for over a decade is a fad, I must have the meaning of the word wrong.

SatyrSack ,

Chomp

fidodo ,

Ate the onion?

themeatbridge ,

Yeah I didn't realize that was the part that was being satirized.

dylanTheDeveloper ,
@dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world avatar

If you need to put text on people's shirts then it's a bad comic

marine_mustang ,

Well, it’s The Onion, so I don’t think making a good comic was their goal.

Username02 ,

Unless you are doing it ironically to diss that one comic artist

EvilLootbox ,
@EvilLootbox@lemmy.world avatar

I thought it was one of theirs at first with all the explanitory labels everwhere but the art was too competent

root_beer ,

I’ve heard quieter whooshes at the airport

half_built_pyramids ,

Had anyone gotten the code to work?

Closest thing I got was a Google image search near match for an xvideos qr

KickMeElmo ,

Doesn't appear to be a valid qr code. Couldn't get Binary Eye to read it.

Kerb , (edited )
@Kerb@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

its not a real qr code,
there is no timing pattern between the 3 big squares.

there has to be a black and white alternating pattern between the inner corners of the three squares, that afaik is used to determine the size of pixels while scanning.

yukichigai ,
@yukichigai@kbin.social avatar

there has to be a black and white alternating pattern between the inner corners of the three squares, that afaik is used to determine the size of pixels while scanning.

Huh. TIL.

Mammothmothman ,

Ben garrison is being called out

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

Nosh-inal 🥸

Maddie ,
@Maddie@sh.itjust.works avatar

This, but unironically

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