rsuri ,

Has this ever happened before in the history of courts? A non-lawyer defendant with representation doing a closing argument himself?

BreadstickNinja ,

There are definitely crazy stupid people who choose to represent themselves in court. There are some great SovCit videos on YouTube.

It does not tend to go well for them.

stephen01king ,

I think he meant people who do have representation, but still chose to do the closing argument themselves. That one should be a lot more rare, I think.

Natanael ,

Any sane lawyer would advice their client not to do that

tacosplease ,

It goes further than that. Court rules dictate that clients are not allowed to make closing arguments if they have an actual lawyer working the case. Trump would have to fire his lawyers and represent himself or maybe get permission from the judge.

In this case the judge said - ok you can make closing arguments but only for appropriate topics, and you can't violate the limited gag order protecting court staff. That was unacceptable to Trump.

Treczoks ,

Trump never wanted to bring a normal closing argument. All he wanted was a platform for himself and his overblown ego.

paddirn ,

"Falls apart"? Was it really ever together in the first place? You've got a person known to be a chronic liar, he's physically incapable of putting together two sentences that aren't full of lies and/or threats, and having him deliver a speech in a setting in which lying or threatening will get you punished, who the hell thought that was going to be a good idea?

Mouselemming ,

Honestly, I think his own lawyers just didn't have the balls to tell him what you're saying, so they kicked the can down to the judge.

elbucho ,
@elbucho@lemmy.world avatar

I don't think that anybody thought that would be a good idea. But the morally bankrupt, traitorous donkeys he hired figured that he was just going to override them anyway, so they brayed "yea" to the idea of Trump defending himself. I mean, what the fuck? They already got paid upfront anyway, right?

Passerby6497 ,

who the hell thought that was going to be a good idea?

I mean, I thought it was a great idea when I heard it. After all, what better way to get himself in even more trouble with the law than letting him run his lying mouth to a judge?

Oh, you meant a good idea for trump...

Peppycito ,
@Peppycito@sh.itjust.works avatar
Burn_The_Right ,

Remember when conservatives used to brag "there will be so much winning... you will get tired of all the winning"?

I now realize that conservatives just didn't know that whining is spelled with an H. What a bunch of whiny little bitches conservatives are.

ohlaph ,

They were taught that losing is winning. Now let me show you my face to foot move.

SinningStromgald ,

Trump is the most successful looser in history! He's so good at loosing even if he wins he loses anyways. What a marvelous specimen of the human species.

Telorand ,

I am bleeding, making me the victor!

homesweethomeMrL ,

It’s just a flesh wound!

DarkDecay ,

Trump is one of the most embarrassing humans to have ever disgraced this earth. I often wish I lacked any self awareness so I could blindly hack my way through life. But my daddy wasn't rich so I was forced to be painfully aware of my actions to this very day

Balinares ,

I mean, you have people in your life who actually like you. I don't know if the same can be said of Trump.

ChunkMcHorkle , (edited )
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Mouselemming ,

Plenty of people with rich daddies who are aware of their own failings and even some who care about others. You might have been a decent person even with a rich father. Trump chooses to be the sack of dysentery that he is.

Atelopus-zeteki ,
@Atelopus-zeteki@kbin.run avatar

Two sections from the article:
"“Closing arguments are for an advocate to comment on the evidence presented, on the relevant law, and on how the latter applies to the former to justify the result sought. Such arguments may not be used to testify, to introduce new evidence, to make a campaign speech, or to comment on irrelevant matters,” Engoron emailed Trump’s legal team on Tuesday afternoon." Ha ha

and

The judge’s warnings came after months of Trump’s unhinged speeches outside the courtroom and social media posts in which the billionaire labeled the judge a leftist hack, insulted the judge’s law clerk, and dismissed the entire trial as an empty political persecution." Who is "the billionaire" in this sentence? LoL

Riccosuave ,
@Riccosuave@lemmy.world avatar

Who is "the billionaire" in this sentence?

"Former Billionaire"

zcd ,

Billionaire cosplayer

TheBat ,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

Bill Cosply?

Wrench ,

I don't think he was even a former billionaire. That claim seemed to be based off his fraudulent property claims.

silverbax ,

He has always just been a trust fund kid, pretending to be a business magnate. He had enough money via inheritance to fly around in a private jet, wear terribly fitting suits, make appearances wherever he could and claim to be wildly successful. It was all an act.

Mycatiskai ,

Purported "billionaire"

homesweethomeMrL ,

alleged

rayyy ,

make a campaign speech, or to comment on irrelevant matters

Engoron reads the orange grifter well

Telorand ,

This is unrelated, because nobody is surprised by this development.

I'm sure it's partly the choice of photo, but just in the last two years, Trump is really starting to look old. Like fucking hell, I don't see how Republicans can complain about Joe Biden's age when that's their guy.

I can only hope his heart is about 20 years older than he looks.

gregorum ,
@gregorum@lemm.ee avatar

People go on about Biden, but Trump is the one I expect to drop dead of a stroke in the middle of one of his crazy rants.

Catoblepas ,

From your lips to God’s ears.

ilinamorato ,

Stress and anxiety, probably. He never felt it before, since he had daddy's money and didn't actually care about being the President before he was elected the first time, or about doing a good job after he was sworn in. But then he was charged in four separate courtrooms, and all of his legal defenses keep dropping like flies, so I would bet this is all eating away at him. He's going the way of Donovan in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, but the grail is a McDonald's cup full of indictments.

PrinceWith999Enemies ,

I noticed that his bronzer utilization has increased pretty steadily. If you ever see a shot of him wearing no makeup - sometimes they get one when he’s golfing yet again - he looks like a walking corpse.

What will never cease to amaze me is how these hyper-macho maga types have so completely dedicated their very lives to a cake-level makeup wearing NYC landlord billionaire who says that military vets are suckers for joining, that POWs should be dismissed as useless, and who eats his steaks well done with ketchup and would never touch a beer. All of that flag waving macho bullshit is really just bullshit for show. It literally doesn’t matter to them.

Whattrees ,
@Whattrees@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

What finally made it click for me is that his supporters don't care about policy, outcomes, Trump's personal life, his many obvious failings, his hatred of them and things they claim to stand for, etc. . They only care about "hurting the right people." As long as Trump says Mexicans are rapists, antifa are terrorists, Democrats are evil, etc. , his supporters will fall on line. They view society as a zero-sum game, as a team sport. As long as "they" are hurting you must be doing better. It doesn't matter if the economy and everything do a nose dive as long as "they" get hurt by it more. It's politics of hate and vindictiveness.

paddirn , (edited )

Not to mention he believes that physical exercise drains your body of life and he eats like shit. The only silver lining in all of this is that even if Trump wins and creates an American dictatorship, he's not likely to live long anyways. Though I'm sure somebody else will be in line right behind him to take his place.

"After college, after Trump mostly gave up his personal athletic interests, he came to view time spent playing sports as time wasted. Trump believed the human body was like a battery, with a finite amount of energy, which exercise only depleted. So he didn’t work out. When he learned that John O’Donnell, one of his top casino executives, was training for an Ironman triathlon, he admonished him, “You are going to die young because of this.”

Trump Revealed, Mike Kranisch and Marc Fisher

elbucho ,
@elbucho@lemmy.world avatar

You wonder how Republicans can hold a hypocritical set of views? Oh honey. They're well practiced at that. It's hypocrisy all the way down.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Every time you hear a Republican complain about Biden's age, just point out that Trump is three years young than Biden and laugh at them.

surewhynotlem ,

That was fast. Usually he waits a couple weeks before backing out and crying oppression.

jballs ,
@jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

It was the judge who set the deadline (and extended it 3 times). Eventually he basically said "Ok, you haven't agreed to the very basic, minimal times that all closing arguments must adhere to. Tough shit."

Dagwood222 ,

A bit of history. Trump's legal mentor was Roy Cohn. Cohn was Joe McCarthy's hatchet man. Cohn had a reputation as one of the most vicious pitbulls in New York legal circles. Cohn was also gay, and when he was dying of AIDS Trump dropped him like a hot potato.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Cohn

nkat2112 ,
@nkat2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

Wow, thanks for sharing that. I had no idea.

It is a prime example of right-wing hypocrisy, bullyism, and cowardice.

Wogi ,

You know if you'd said trunk learned everything he knew by watching Dan Ackroyd in the original blues Brothers movie, I would have believed that too

Dagwood222 ,

I've never seen Trump misspelled that way before, but I kind of like it.

In my opinion, he's been a busted valise.

Wogi , (edited )

I saw it, and then made a choice not to correct it.

Also, a broken suitcase was once useful, he's never been worth anything

wrath_of_grunge ,
@wrath_of_grunge@kbin.social avatar

on the one hand, aww.

on the other hand, fuck em.

Lemjukes ,

No, no aww, Roy Cohn was a shitheel.

match ,
@match@pawb.social avatar

[Millennium approaches intensely.]

Dagwood222 ,

What is that supposed to mean? Please

match ,
@match@pawb.social avatar

This is a reference to the play Angels in America, wherein Roy Cohn on his AIDS-in-denial deathbed is haunted by the ghosts of people he's wronged

TWeaK ,

Cohn was also gay, and when he was dying of AIDS Trump dropped him like a hot potato.

From your same wiki link:

and according to Seymour's notes, Trump was the last person to speak to Cohn on the phone before he died in 1986.

I haven't found anything that corroborates your statement that Trump "dropped him".

I did find this though, which reminds me of South Park; it sounds exactly like Cohn was a customer of CumHammer Brand Management:

the AIDS Memorial Quilt describes him as "Roy Cohn. Bully. Coward. Victim."

Dagwood222 ,

Just once, for contrast, I'd like someone to come up with a positive story about Trump.

NABDad ,

He'll die someday.

That's the best I can do.

Moira_Mayhem ,

It would be a lot easier if he took even a moment to stop being a shitheel for once.

Dagwood222 ,

I saw a family portrait of him with Melania and Barron from when his son was about six years old. Besides the ugly solid gold wallpaper, the thing that boggled my mind was that his kid was dressed in a little business suit and sitting in a little toy Mercedes luxury car. No space ships or jet planes for this lad.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Barron Trump turns 18 in March. I'm guessing the press are salivating over it because he'll finally be fair game and they will all be jumping over each other trying to get an interview to see what he'll say about his father.

Dagwood222 ,

imho he's probably the rich kid version of those homeschooled kids whose parents think Obama invented vaccines to destroy the Aryan race.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Possibly, but he's also apparently been mostly raised by Melania without Donald's involvement and we have no idea of the ways she might have been poisoning her son against him.

Dagwood222 ,

I feel sorry for the kid, because there's no way he'll be able to have any kind of normal interaction with anyone. Porn star mom and psycho dad? Uncle/brothers like Eric and Fredo? When Ivanka is the most down to earth person you know...I can't even complete the sentence.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

The outcome of this trial will be a positive story involving Trump if that helps.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Do you mean to tell me that Trump is such a homophobic bigot that he'll drop his best friend if he finds out he's gay?

Shocking.

Lemjukes ,

Roy Cohn is not a homosexual. Roy Cohn is a heterosexual man, Henry, who fucks around with guys.

Dagwood222 ,

[off topic and NSFW] Netflix show 'Loudermilk' is about an addiction therapist. He's leading a group and one of the patients says that he was in a successful band back in the 1990s.

Another patient asks him about groupies. "Ever get a double blowjob? You know, one girl and two dudes?"

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

But he had another piece of paper in his pocket!

clearedtoland ,

That’s the one with his Big Mac lunch order.

originalucifer ,
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

shocker!

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