Wrench

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Wrench ,

I mean, distributing it isn't a small feat. Plus you need to manage subscriptions, billings, CMS, a front end to navigate the content, etc.

That's no small amount of work, even if they used out of the box solutions for many layers.

Wrench ,

Yeah. That's their intent. But they really don't know for sure that their stunt won't have some completely unexpected effect. Some slow reaction with that specific kind of stone that only matters if the powder gets deep into some cracks for 200 years or whatever. Or attracts stone eating bacteria of some sort.

The point is that they dont know what they dont know. Every time they pull one of these stunts, they are introducing the risk of irrevocable damage to historically significant objects that should be left to future generations.

Stop fucking around with human history. Stone Henge is a world wonder.

Wrench ,

"But I'm one of the good slave owners! Look how much they like being my slave!"

Wrench ,

Was Biden the 2016 nomination?

He came back specifically because he was a decent candidate to take Trump down.

And still is.

Wrench ,

Trump is just going to be shouting while Biden talks anyway. So the viewer will see Biden distracted and stuttering because half his attention will be on trying to ignore Trump, but the viewer will not hear it, beyond maybe a little background noise that's picked up on Bidens mic.

This is Trump's strategy. He has done it before. They really need sound proof booths too.

Wrench ,

Rofl. Way to turn a thread on Trump getting caught faking an outreach to the black voter in a black church into an anti Biden/Harris smear.

Wrench ,

Funny how all those "both sides" people canvassing every political article with Biden/Dem bad are staying out of the threads on Ukraine.

Biden says the next president may get to name two Supreme Court justices ( www.npr.org )

LOS ANGELES – President Biden on Saturday night said he expects the winner of this year’s presidential election will likely have the chance to fill two vacancies on the Supreme Court – a decision he warned would be “one of the scariest parts” if his Republican opponent, former President Donald Trump, is successful in...

Wrench , (edited )

And people act like "the people" want this in the first place. Nearly half of "The people" voted for Trump, and probably will again. The US is not united against the fascists. Hell, in this thread itself, you have someone blaming the Dems for not waving a magic wand and somehow assigning 6 more scotus memberswhen we don't even have a majority in either the house or the senate, and taking such a drastic move with obvious dangers would certainly be objectionable to many.

Wrench ,

People like you still won't accept that it's your fucking fault that Trump won in 2016 in the first place, and as a direct result, completely fucked the SCOTUS over for a generation, setting us back decades.

And you're going to do it again. Because the Dems don't tuck you in at night and tell you that they love you.

Wrench ,

The Leftist vote is flaky. Trying to appease you is a exercise of futility.

If timed right, the Dems might be able to hold your vote for a single election. But done too early, you'll find some new cause to be polarized by, done too late and you'll have already made your decision and nothing will change it.

And by "you'll find some new cause to be polarized by", I mean conservatives will spoon feed you a new thing to be polarized by. It's so damn predictable and you take the bait every time.

But sure, keep playing stupid games with the general election. You'll be paying with the rest of us when your stupid games hand the reigns over to the fascists. Or we'll spend the next term trying to make things marginally better while you whine that it's not good enough the entire time.

Wrench ,

Ya don't say?1

Wrench , (edited )

Many many times. Because I boxed. Nothing more fun than being punched in the face under the right conditions.

Wrench ,

Yet, he will happily carve out ginormous advantages for his big backers. So they don't give a shit if the castle falls as long as they can loot the treasury and get out first.

Wrench ,

Yes. It's called a political agitator.

This user canvases lemmy threads with anti Biden and anti Dem strawman arguments completely out of context of the thread. Every thread calling out Republicans for bullshit, this user is there never acknowledging how terrible the GOP is, and going straight into anti dem whataboutism.

Just look at the sheer number of comments this user posts daily. And search the mod logs for deleted comments on this user.

If they're not being paid to disenfranchise progressive voters into abstaining from this election, they should look for a sponsor because they're working for free.

Wrench , (edited )

Biden was the incumbent. When he chose to run in 2024, the decision was made. You don't just throw away that advantage. If the DNC funded an opponent, it would only divide the base.

Case an point - just look around at Lemmy users. There are still a ton of users clinging onto the DNC boycott after the controversy of Hillary getting the 2016 nomination.

Now is not the time to divide further. Now is the time to shut the fascists down before we lose the ability to run any opposition, charismatic or not, in 2028.

Wrench ,

Yeah ok. Plenty of people were saying the same thing while letting Hitler rise to power too. But what could we possibly learn from history?

Wrench , (edited )

Of course is legal to be drunk at your job as long as it doesn't involve operation of dangerous machinery like automobiles or otherwise put someone in imminent danger.

Whether or not it will get you fired is a completely different thing.

Wrench ,

It's because they think it's a fake conspiracy so they're proving "them" wrong. And toxic masculinity.

Same reason these stupid fucks had covid parties. "I ain't afraid of no cold. Ya'll are fucking cowards!"

Idiocracy explains this mentality better than I.

Wrench ,

Eh. This describes my Dad, I guess. Life time "fiscal conservative" that voted Republican his entire life except 2016 and on. Possibly 2008 too, he was outraged at Palin and the Tea Party.

They exist.

But he was never a republican for the social conservatism side of things. Never watched Fox News or Rush Limbaugh or any of that garbage. And votes blue down ticket too because he accepts that the entire party is corrupted now.

Wrench ,

The sheer amount of energy people put into hating others who just want to be left along is mind blowing.

I remember a discussion with a friends sister. They were making some anti trans argument/joke or whatever, and I butt in with something like "why do you even care? How does it affect you in the slightest?"

She told me this story about how she asked a Costco employee for assistance. "Excuse me, ma'am... ma'am!" And the employee pointedly ignored her and walked away. Then another employee ran up and quietly told her that the employee identified as a male, but that he'd help her.

That was it. That was the one Trans story that she could bring up on how her life was negatively impacted by a Trans person.

At least she accepted how absurd her complaint was when I laughed in her face and told her "and? So Trans people can be dicks just like anyone else?"

Wrench ,

How is context not important? We don't even have a full second of clip before he throws the punch.

Is context only not important when it's a man hitting a woman?

Would you say the same if it was a 2s clip of a woman punching a man?

Wrench ,

Yeah. That would be called "context", of which we have zero of. And which you acknowledge matters.

Wrench ,

Can you roll through neuron bursts?

Wrench ,

Which propagandist got banned?

Wrench ,

Alright Mods. Explain this and the other deleted comment that call @anticolonialist out for parroting Russian propaganda.

He literally accused OP of being a nazi supporter for supporting Ukraine.

Yet, that comment stays up, while the comments calling that out as Russian propaganda are removed.

I've seen this a lot on politics/worldnews/news.

I'm guessing either these frequent agitators like @anticolonialist are weaponizing the report button and others aren't responding in kind, or the moderators in these subs are orcs / zionists.

Explain.

Wrench ,

The classification of Ukrainians being Nazis as their pretext for the invasion (branded as liberation from Nazis) is categorically propaganda with zero merit.

You can whatabout all you want about western left/right propaganda, but it doesn't change that basic fact.

And the fact that you're still spouting that propaganda certainly makes the other user's counter accusation that you're a Russian apologist (orc) to be an obviously accurate statement.

And enforcement of Rule 3 against someone responding in kind, while you're off the hook for accusing them of being a Nazi sympathizer, is absolute bullshit.

Wrench ,

Ahh. One of the few users I blocked. I try to leave bad actors unblocked to refute their bullshit, lest impressionable readers think their opinions are valid. But if they're visibly foaming at the mouth, they do that work for me.

Wrench ,

I make a habit of downvoting most Newsweek and Salon articles. They are opinion drivel. Just give me the facts, and I'll draw my own conclusion.

Wrench , (edited )

Right. Like, by what he appears to be suggesting, we should have actively joined the war in Europe earlier, instead of just supplying aid and intel to the Allies for so long before committing troops. Like somehow squash Hitler before he got very far.

So it seems like he's advocating for us going to war with Russia immediately.

But in reality, he's a Putin bitch boy, so that's obviously not what he's suggesting.

Edit - Re-reading, I can't come to any other conclusion than he thinks we shouldn't have joined the fight at all. But we joined only when forced by Pearl Harbor, which was a result of our aid to the Allies. And IIRC, the US wasn't really ready to mobilize our military for a campaign in Europe for we did anyway, which is why we were sending aid in the meantime.

So the only logical conclusion I can draw is that he thinks the US should have stayed neutral. That it was out participation that was unnecessary.
Particularly when he says we shouldn't be sending Ukraine aid.

Wrench ,

Well, I explained my reasoning in great detail. Do you disagree with any specific point?

Wrench , (edited )

I'm not a WW2 buff, but I painted my understanding of the USA's pre-D day readiness and why we didn't jump in directly until forced.

If that's inaccurate, I'm interested in hearing a counter argument.

So if your interpretation of his words are correct, it seems like it's counter to what historians believe WRT to US's readiness to mobilize our forces at the time. At least as I understand it.

So either I understand this history here in correctly (very possible), or Lindsay is talking out his ass in a surprisingly specific way (also very possible), or he's dog whistling for Nazis in that the US should have stayed out of it.

Given the rewriting of Nazi history that the GOP has been practicing for years, I'm going with dog whistling.

Edit - Just wanted to address the NATO point. I don't think anyone's disagreeing with that. No one but Russian propagandists even claim that Russia attacked because of the NATO application.

Wrench ,

Nothing is going to win approval from you. You have already made your decision.

Wrench ,

Am I wrong? If Biden cured ass cancer tomorrow and made the cure free for all Americans, would you realistically change your mind?

Wrench ,

Yes, except these women were denied the responsibility because they are women in an Islamic controlled society. But the community was convinced to allow it.

Wrench ,

My DM once gave me a cursed sword that required me to kill a humanoid daily.

It then devolved into side bars where we had to negotiate taking a kingdom's prisoners with us in the hold of a boat on our mission to save the queen or whatever. For murder sword food.

Still one of my favorite campaigns. I do think he regretted giving me an excuse to derail his campaign to go murder-hoboing, though.

Wrench ,

And how exactly will that put food in the hands of the starving Palestinians?

Again with the "if it's not perfect, it's not worth doing" bullshit I'm so tired of hearing about this conflict.

Wrench ,

You can't be dense enough to believe that if the US stops sending Isreal aid, that suddenly Isreal will suddenly magically be completely disarmed, and aid trucks will suddenly be able to move freely. Aid trucks aren't even on the table.

Wrench ,

And what other conclusion is there to your answers?

Me: How would YOU put food into Palestinian hands?

You: Stop sending aid to Isreal.

Me: How does that put food in Palestinian hands?

You: Aid trucks

Wrench ,

My point is that stopping aid to Isreal won't put food in Palestinian bellies any time soon. And when they're starving right now, it's a useless gesture.

Actually doing what CAN be done right now, which is bypassing land chokepoints by building a non-perfect dock to offload millions of lbs of food, is the best solution I've heard of thus far, to actually stave off the immediate problem of starvation.

I'm not saying I approve of continuing to send military aid to Isreal. We can attack this from multiple fronts, but getting food and medical aid into Gaza is the most urgent need. And I don't find your efforts to undermine the most effective, if flawed, means of getting those supplies into Gaza to be helping the Palestinian's plight in the slightest.

Wrench ,

Ok. And how has that negotiation been going?

I prefer to actually do what can be done in the short term, while we continue to work on long term solutions in tandem. Not just put all your eggs in the long term basket, and let the Palestinians starve if it takes too long, or doesn't happen at all.

Wrench ,

You claim I'm arguing in bad faith, but all your points make insanely huge assumptions on what the US is plausibly capable of forcing, and in an insanely short timespan. Particularly taking into account how little Isreal has been willing to negotiate in good faith currently and in past.

Wrench ,

No. I'm saying that relying on that leverage completely, and expecting a fast and complete solution, and allowing the Gazians to starve to death if that hailmerry doesn't work, is completely asinine.

And that's not even taking into account what the absolute 180 on foreign policy WRT Isreal will cost us in the short and long term. It could very possibly give the entire election over to the Republicans. Which would obviously be even worse for Gaza.

Wrench ,

I would rather do both, because I find it incredibly unlikely that stopping arms shipments today would do anything at all to dampen Israel's ability to blockaid the land routes for a very long time. I also don't think Isreal is incapable of finding weapons suppliers outside of the US if push comes to shove.

Wrench ,

They could have spent that two months pressuring Israel to open aid corridors for trucking.

And most likely have nothing to show for it. At least the dock has already achieved getting millions of pounds of aid into Gaza, and hopefully many more millions before it breaks again.

And I’m sorry, “we have to aid Israel in its genocide to stop the Republicans from winning” is a bullshit excuse.

Maybe to you, but it's a real risk. Not everyone lives in this progressive bubble of yours. I have zero confidence in the voting public, and I have far less confidence that the Republicans won't actively encourage genocide in Gaza and beyond given the president and a majority in the other branches.

Wrench , (edited )

Why “most likely?” Based on what evidence?

See: the entire history of Isreal, and the middle east as a whole.

And if you feel that you need to aid another nation to continue slaughtering children to save your own, maybe you don’t have much worth saving.

Geo-politics are complicated, and more complicated when your own country is currently fighting a fascist movement.

You dismiss the very notion that all but declaring war on Isreal could possibly have negative effects on the Dems political standing. And let's not mince words. Declaring no fly zones, DMZs and enacting sanctions, as you literally explicitly suggested, is one step away from declaring war.

And yet I've been accused of arguing in bad faith. Right.

Wrench ,

There was a branch in this thread where someone else made the accusation. But fine, I retract the statement. It wasn't your words, so no point bringing it up.

I find the request for impossible evidence to be absurd. Since the US did not take the measures you proposed 2 months ago, there is no evidence to present for either of our sides.

I point to Netanyahu's recent and past decisions and complete unwillingness to make concessions, as well as how this conflict has been beneficial to his standing.

But obviously, we can't know for sure what would have happened. But Isreal has never been known to be easily forced, or even compromise to anything not vastly in their favor.

Wrench ,

And your proof that using that leverage will achieve the desired result in a 2 month time frame is...?

Wrench ,

The tendency to make Perfect the enemy of Good.

It's a tired theme here on Lemmy, particularly WRT Gaza, and particularly in criticism of Biden's policy towards Isreal.

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