HawlSera ,

Okay, I get what you're saying, but to call the Affordable Care Act "Universal Healthcare" is like calling one of those meal boxes from Taco Bell an all-you-can-eat buffet

Vespair ,

If he is to be believed (and that is certainly up to debate), Obama's goal was universal healthcare, and his compromise was the ACA.

Personally I think as soon as the public option was gutted this compromise failed to meet what was sought out by the goal, so I don't think it should be counted at all as achieving that goal, but I don't think it's inherently disingenuous to make the claim that Obama wanted universal healthcare... I guess he just didn't want it enough.

UNY0N ,

While I do agree with what you say, the post is about goals, not achievements. It's an important distinction, and Obama did have universal healthcare as a goal.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jun/11/obama-administration-universal-healthcare-reform

Katana314 ,

Gee, I wonder WHO was taking actions to prevent that from coming out as universal healthcare. And I wonder WHICH SIDE of the aisle they were on.

crusa187 ,

Per usual - it was Biden, rushing to the aid of republicans to assist with their agenda. Which in this case was watering down their own healthcare proposal in order to remove the public option. In fact, he conceded this portion of the bill before any negotiations had even begun, as a “show of good faith” toward his Republican colleagues. Thanks Biden.

homesweethomeMrL OP ,

I think you're letting Joe Lieberman get away

grue ,

Gee, thanks, you jerk. Now I want one of those meal boxes from Taco Bell.

apfelwoiSchoppen ,
@apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world avatar

Obama also campaigned that he would codify abortion into law, got elected, and then said it was not a priority. Then didn't do anything to protect reproductive rights.

This image is complete propaganda.

dream_weasel ,

Ah yes, the old "it's propaganda because it doesn't include literally everything that has ever happened".

Bush dodged that shoe like a fucking boss so how bad a president could he have been?!

Is it rosy colored? Sure. Does it still have a generally true premise? IMO yes.

apfelwoiSchoppen ,
@apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world avatar

Really stupid that we beat down the people on the left that demand a better candidate than the one who said he would be a one term president. A man who is further left than Nixon in most aspects. Yet, we have all these people who will die on the hill of Biden and we continue to ratchet to the right.

dream_weasel ,

The meme here overstates Biden, but that's not where you were originally poking.

It's totally fine to want a better candidate, but I don't get down with cutting off your nose to spite your face: "Haha allowing authoritarianism and the erosion of democracy by non participation or durden voting will sure teach the Dems to pick a better candidate! Got em!"

Side note, I think you mean right of Nixon, yeah?

homesweethomeMrL OP ,

A better candidate would have been 2021-2023. You missed your window of THREE YEARS.

Okay, so let's say Biden in 2024 for the sake of argument. Who's the best candiate starting 2025? For the next President? Who. Name someone. Anyone.

ZombiFrancis ,

For the Democratic Party: Pritzker would have handled it well. Maybe Beshear, even Evers.

By 2025 I will be curious if Hobbs or Shapiro will have the chops. Maybe even Grisham or Kotek, who knows.

And that's just the governor pool.

There are options and have been options.

Cryophilia ,

Biden never actually said that, but the fact that you think he did tells me all I need to know about how little you pay attention and what news sources you follow.

explodicle ,

Obama goal: end FPTP so the 2000 election doesn't happen again and again Short term easily reversible promises

Biden goal: what democracy, and how exactly

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

what democracy, and how exactly

A democracy where someone can lose the popular vote and still get elected president, and where a minority can hold both chambers of Congress, clearly

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

It's a democracy we must fight to protect.

And by fight, I might go on the Internet and complain that other people aren't voting hard enough.

irreticent ,
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar
UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Broke: Republicans

Woke: Democrats

Bespoke: Cum

Socsa ,

Obama supported the public option which would have been a form of universal healthcare. It was axed because Joe Lieberman spent months grandstanding and then Ted Kennedy died.

HawlSera ,

Postal 2 was right to teach us all to hate that dude

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Lieberman threatened to join Republicans in filibuster to kill the public option and Obama's response was "Okay, we'll just pull that piece for you, no problem."

ZombiFrancis ,

People hate finding out the ACA is the Republican plan based on Romney's healthcare system from MA.

aidan ,

Well we couldn't know what it said til they passed it. "Call it the stupidity of the American voter"

sharkfucker420 ,
@sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

Dawg you cant be serious. They both want more money for rich people 💀

Ultragigagigantic ,
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  • Mastengwe ,

    Fun copypasta.

    homesweethomeMrL OP ,

    Sounds good - get it on my ballot, I'll vote for it.

    ObsidianZed ,

    To be fair, I don't believe Trump's goal is more money for rich people.

    I believe it's more money for himself but to do that he works towards more money for rich people because those rich people will in turn support and fund him further.

    He's too damn selfish to actually consider people, rich or not.

    Hawk ,

    Not even money, I have no doubt he just wants to be president to get out of all the rape and fraud accusations running against him.

    Gradually_Adjusting ,
    @Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

    The Romans are said to have conquered the world in self defense. Trump's plan is to ruin it instead. Easier.

    Asafum ,

    It's funny to read this about self defense because I just wrote a letter to my representatives and NASA about funding for the Chandra X-ray telescope and pretty much used those terms too. We trade improvements to our shared existence in favor of "self defense" that just happens to bring us to other countries to bomb them all the time...

    Harbinger01173430 ,

    Rome is eternal. Glory to the Roman empire

    Gradually_Adjusting ,
    @Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

    Rome is literally gone lmao

    nonfuinoncuro ,

    ? pretty sure I went there on vacation recently

    Harbinger01173430 ,

    It never left our hearts and minds

    Aceticon ,

    Before Trump, the Rich controlled America via the Politicians.

    Trump just removed the middle man.

    sharkfucker420 ,
    @sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

    Politicians have always been part of the wealthy owning class, its built into the system becsuse the system was created by a wealthy owning class

    JimboDHimbo ,

    Y'all left off "enabling genocide" for Biden. should definitely be before saving democracy.

    Edit: also, you can't save something if it's already destroyed.

    hash0772 ,

    You really got downvoted for this? Lol, Lemmy is pretty fucking stupid.

    AngryCommieKender , (edited )

    Nixon: More money for rich people,

    Carter: Peace in The Middle East

    Edit: Carter: Climate Change. He installed solar panels at the White House that Reagan destroyed.

    grue ,

    Carter: Peace in The Middle East

    Also, getting started fighting climate change back when we should've started. (See also: solar panels on the White House etc.)

    AngryCommieKender ,

    Oh you're correct, totally forgot that Reagan ripped those off.

    Deceptichum ,
    @Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Carter: Selling weapons to Indonesia to commit genocide in East Timor.

    As an Australian, I’d like to give a personal fuck you to Jimmy Carter for that one. Fucking arsehole he was.

    hark ,
    @hark@lemmy.world avatar

    Democrats aren't for more money for rich people? News to me. Nice job leaving off things like welfare reform, the crime bill, and the repeal of glass-steagall (which led to the 2008 global financial crisis) from under clinton. You left off obama continuing the policy of bailouts for the rich after the 2008 global financial crisis, his support for the surveillance state (and going after Snowden after claiming to protect whistleblowers), and bombing so many more countries (like Libya, Somalia, Yemen, and Syria). Of course there's the glaring absence of supporting genocide under biden, but I think you get the picture.

    Both sides aren't the same in all things, but they are definitely the same in supporting the rich first and foremost. Democrats are better than republicans, but you're not making a strong point by pretending democrats only do good things.

    Daft_ish ,

    In this system money is speech. Not literally, like the Supreme court has codified but in practice. No matter the party the only chance you have in getting elected is fund raising. It's a shit system and no democrats aren't a victim but their is no other credible option.

    PugJesus ,
    @PugJesus@lemmy.world avatar

    No, no, critical support for genocide here in the US. /s

    Maggoty ,

    Infrastructure was done under every president but Trump and is normal functioning governance.

    Corporate subsidy and monopolization of EV market

    Corporate subsidy for MIC

    Not actually loan Reform, college is more expensive than ever

    Drug pricing might be the only novel and just good thing going on this list. But it's certainly not stacking up to ACA and Zero Deficit Budgeting.

    Yet another bad faith meme trying to make Biden look more friendly to the average American than he is.

    In other news today we found out he never meant for Palestine to have it's own state. That was all lies. We know this because the cables leaked showing the US trying their damnedest to get other countries to vote against Palestinian Statehood. This couldn't possibly be a distraction from that, right guys?

    normalexit ,

    Trump wants to win because he is a narcissist and really needs a few get out of jail free cards.

    radiant_bloom ,

    Even though I agree with the sentiment, and being a very extreme leftist myself, this is cartoonishly lopsided.

    This will not convince anyone. Have fun preaching to the choir I guess, it is a pointless endeavor 🤷🏻‍♀️

    If we want to turn people away from them, it will take more than pointing out that they’re evil, however true it may be. (And don’t misunderstand me, it is very true)

    crypticthree ,

    Kennedy also got us into Vietnam. Just saying.

    PhlubbaDubba ,

    IIRC Kennedy was more just doing it to keep the french from doing something stupid, Johnson was the one who kicked it into full gear

    Zehzin ,
    @Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

    Phew, I bet those Viet Cong feel pretty silly that they fought for their lives after learning that.

    theareciboincident ,

    TBF they literally won a total war against the greatest military powers back to back and built the foundation for one of the rising stars of the region today.

    Something like 90% home ownership rates, a HOT labor market, low cost of living, incredible food, a friendly and honest culture, 4.4% poverty rate, a serious effort to improve development metrics (universal healthcare, literacy rate, maternal care, etc)…

    Sure sounds like the fight was worth it compared to how the US-aligned developing countries turned out.

    PugJesus ,
    @PugJesus@lemmy.world avatar

    Sure sounds like the fight was worth it compared to how the US-aligned developing countries turned out.

    Yeah, who would want to be a shithole like South Korea or Taiwan? /s

    The fight of Vietnam against American occupation was correct on its own merits - namely, that of the morality of national self-determination. Trying to bring in other criteria doesn't strengthen the point, and can very well weaken it.

    Maeve ,

    Almost got us into a nuclear war, too

    jordanlund ,
    @jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

    You forgot:

    Johnson: Eliminate Poverty
    Nixon: Burglary and coverup
    Ford: Swine Flu vaccination
    Carter: Egypt/Israel peace agreement

    inlandempire ,
    @inlandempire@jlai.lu avatar

    Facebook leftist grandpa type meme

    Zehzin ,
    @Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

    There isn't a leftist on earth praising Biden for "saving democracy"

    sharkfucker420 ,
    @sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

    This isn't even close to leftism lmao

    Zehzin , (edited )
    @Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

    Bush: More money for rich People, killing a bunch of brown people, try to be be even more of a global disaster as dear old dad (was close but too incompetent to do it)

    Obama: More money for rich people, killing a bunch of brown people

    Trump: More money for rich people, killing a bunch of brown people, destroying democracy, treason, try to be even more of a global disaster as Reagan (was close but too incompetent to do it, there's always next time)

    Biden: More money for rich people, killing a bunch of brown people

    Topipolous ,

    I think this is the most accurate take I’ve read so far

    IchNichtenLichten ,
    @IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

    Don't forget deregulation, those fuckers love removing protections for the environment and workers.

    NaibofTabr ,

    especially child workers

    The Republicans are cartoon villains.

    jballs ,
    @jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Yeah but deregulation is ultimately just a way for them to give more money to rich people.

    aidan ,

    The democratic governor in my state recently succeeded in a years long endeavor to legalize gambling. That's deregulation too

    IchNichtenLichten ,
    @IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

    Legalizing something isn't the same as deregulation but it's a subtle distinction.

    aidan ,

    Well... Why not? How is it different? Deregulation generally refers to smaller loosenings(and smaller legalizations) rather than outright legalization- but that's a kinda arbitrary distinction

    IchNichtenLichten ,
    @IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

    Legalization:- whether or not it's legal to do something.

    Deregulation:- removing rules and enforcement around something that's already legal.

    Like I said, it's subtle.

    aidan ,

    But how does deregulation happen? By legalizing subsets of the already legal thing. Think- legalizing operating a car without a license, vs deregulating driving.

    IchNichtenLichten ,
    @IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

    I'm sorry, remind me - are you here for the 15 minute argument or did you pay for the full half hour?

    aidan ,

    15 minute

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