strongoose ,

SUVs are a fucking climate disaster, electric or no. Good on these activists.

hesusingthespiritbomb ,

Look honestly this is pretty stupid.

The cyber truck is a super expensive, conservative coded, pavement princess car. The people buying it are probably doing so instead of getting an F350 with one of those illegal mods that lets you pipe out black smoke. It's overall a net positive for the environment.

I feel like this is less about the Cybertruck and more about Elon. I get he's hateable, but people just end up feeling lied to when you use BS logic to pretend that the (supposedly) best selling EV pickup in the US somehow needs to be targeted by climate activists. Just deface his private jet or some shit.

DarkThoughts ,

No. Both vehicles are absolute trash for the environment. Just because it's an EV does not mean it is suddenly environmentally friendly. The stupid stainless steel alone uses up idiotic amounts of energy to produce and in the end it is still a several ton heavy vehicle instead of some form of micro car.

And no, no one really uses this or an ICE truck in a way that would require them to have one. Even people who haul shit in the back would usually do with a more sensible roofed vehicle, but that would be less "cool".

All of those big cars can and should be a target. If we go with individual motor traffic, then we should use vehicles that are as compact and basic as possible.

thanks_shakey_snake ,

And no, no one really uses this or an ICE truck in a way that would require them to have one. Even people who haul shit in the back would usually do with a more sensible roofed vehicle, but that would be less "cool".

Wait, no one has a legitimate use case for a truck? Like transporting building materials and tools? Large furniture and appliances? People who live along an unpaved mountain road, or work somewhere similarly remote, like forestry? Towing fifth-wheel trailers? When it snows here, I'm stuck at home until someone with a truck comes by to plow... They have large dedicated snowplows for the highways and stuff, but for out-of-the-way residential streets, the city contracts private pickup truck owners with their own plows. I'm glad they're around.

Like don't get me wrong-- The majority of truck owners pretty much never do these things, and it's an extremely wasteful vanity display for them. That's bad. Most people who buy Cybertrucks will not be doing truck stuff with them. That's bad too.

But I think some people have a good reason to own a truck.

DarkThoughts ,

We're talking about less than 1% here. And yes, most of even your examples do not require a pickup truck, or even your own hauler. Just look at other countries. People transporting tools? They have little vans or nowadays even cargo bikes. This whole pickup truck thing is very much an US fetish.

hannesh93 ,
@hannesh93@feddit.org avatar

How do they plan to sell it in Europe when pedestrian survival change is a necessary part of crash tests?

That car is slicing everyone in half that it hits and even if it isn't that hood being steel will smash everyone's head it.

ThePantser ,
@ThePantser@lemmy.world avatar

Probably the same way it was able to be released in the USA, they paid the off the crash testers. USA NTSB is a joke. Whatever happened to their power to force cars to have safety.

over_clox ,

The goddamned things are built so much like shit that the fucking back wheels will break off from a front end crash...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=9ll2_BDZpI4

Like, how the fuck does that even happen like that?

Worst. Vehicle. Ever.

Donut ,

If you watched the whole video, he later dismisses it as the back wheels can turn as well, so they probably just folded in without them necessarily breaking

over_clox , (edited )

Now I'm no genius, but I am something of a mechanic, with experience in suspension systems amongst many other things.

I can assure you that there is absolutely no reason for a non-impacted wheel to 'fold in' like you said, I don't care if it has rear wheel steering or not.

That shit's just straight up broke yo.

Steve ,
@Steve@communick.news avatar

Did you finish watching that video?

It has independent rear wheel steering.
That's the rear wheels turning in, because they're meant to pivot.

over_clox ,

I don't care, that's still broken. The inertia from a sudden hard impact should not cause a non-impacted wheel to either move or even suddenly 'steer' for any reason.

Yes I totally get that these are extreme forces in question, but the parts and suspension system should be built stronger than that, where inertia alone won't cause damage to non-impacted parts on the opposite end of the vehicle.

TheRealCharlesEames ,

I support the climate activists, bigly. I think they could have chosen a better target.

reddig33 ,

These dumbasses aren’t winning over any converts by throwing paint on everything.

toothpaste_sandwich ,

I'm not so sure. It gets them attention and the opportunity to share their message. And not everyone is so cynical as to immediately dismiss them as dumbasses.

jol ,

Actually, they are

drdiddlybadger ,
@drdiddlybadger@pawb.social avatar

Vandalizing a cybertruck is pretty cool in my book. It's the ugliest abomination of automobile you can purchase right now and they're entirely right, it's too heavy sucks to much power for it's use case, and is incredibly unsafe for anyone it manages to run into.

reddig33 ,

There are plenty of ICE vehicles that are heavy and ugly that deserve just as much scorn. Cybertruck is ugly as sin, but this is like throwing blood on someone wearing fake fur.

drdiddlybadger ,
@drdiddlybadger@pawb.social avatar

Nah we can vandalize multiple vehicles at a time there is plenty of paint to go around. 😤 Don't let your dreams be dreams trash a gas guzzling truck too.

bolexforsoup ,

Idk this one I can get behind

Telorand ,

I was not impressed by the Stonehenge vandalism, because it's not an example of punching up, imo. However, this punches at the very people who are furthering climate change, billionaires, so I'm all for it.

jayk ,

that orange paint might actually improve its weather resistance

MrMakabar ,
@MrMakabar@slrpnk.net avatar

Also they are easier to spot.

over_clox ,

Have you ever seen one in person? I have, and at the wrong angle, that shiny stainless steel reflects the sun just about as much as a mirror does, blinding other drivers and pedestrians at certain angles.

So if anything, a paint job of any sort, vandalism or not, only serves to make them ever so slightly safer...

toynbee ,

I've seen a single one. It was in the oncoming lane and honestly I and didn't even process it as a vehicle at first. My first thought was that it was the bumper of a semi.

over_clox , (edited )

Oof, damn. I can totally understand what you mean there. I never thought of it quite like that, the one I saw wasn't while driving, they just happened to park behind us at our city park and I got a couple photos.

So I had a chance to walk around it for a good camera angle. But yes indeed, bad angles are extremely blinding.

But now you got me sorta scared to see one while actually driving..

Zikeji ,
@Zikeji@programming.dev avatar

Quite a few in my area. Just the other day I saw one with a matte wrap and gold accents on the sharp edges.

over_clox ,

How classy huh? /s

Gakomi ,

Careful, they are learning that electric cars are more damaging to the environment then normal ones!

Squizzy ,

Three ton stainless steel monstrosities are a danger to society and not an efficient use of green knowledge.

It doesnt mean a nissan leaf is bad.

homesweethomeMrL ,

They didn’t say that.

That’s the problem when one’s rhetorical toolbox is thrown soup.

Squizzy ,

I dont know what you said.

homesweethomeMrL ,

It’s a long running brouhaha about the effectiveness of the Just Stop Oil tactics

UraniumBlazer ,

That is not quite true. Electric cars over their lifetime are definitely a lot lot better than ICE cars. HOWEVER, they are definitely not the solution for transportation. Public transit is.

Getting new electric vehicles makes sense for vehicles that simply cannot be replaced by other alternatives (examples of such vehicles being pickups for businesses, those little vans for the post office, buses, etc.).

Of course, the most eco friendly thing is generally what u already have. Switching to an electric car from ur five year old ICE car is more environmentally damaging.

NocturnalMorning ,

Over the life of an EV, there are significantly less emissions, even when including vehicle construction emissions. This is just flat out wrong.

JoShmoe ,

Is it the sunrise kids? I would not be surprised if this was sunrise.

inb4_FoundTheVegan ,
@inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world avatar

The Cybertruck weighs almost three tons, so its enormous weight means it consumes an absurdly high amount of energy. Senseless waste that we as a society cannot afford. Add to that the sharp-edged construction: a safety disaster. The truck perfectly illustrates where the anti-social policies of the last few decades have led us: a few rich people drive well-armored into the disaster – and take everyone with them.

-Hendrik Fauer, one of the activists

Blue_Morpho ,

At least it is electric. Throw the paint on a Dodge Ram 3500 that dwarfs the Cyber truck AND burns oil.

This is like protesting at a small free range chicken farm when there's an industrial chicken farm right next door.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , (edited )
@inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world avatar

This is an odd argument to make for a vegan. Because both of those farms need dismantling. Just like electric AND gas cars need to be phased out. While I can agree all these things do inequal damage, it's STILL damage. Electric cars are a step but absolutely NOT a solution to climate change. Removing gas from the situation is well enough, but we need mass transit and rebuilt infrastructures to support it.

It's wise to protest the placebo so people start seeking the cure. Especially when the placebo comes in a oversized impractical truck for.

BlemboTheThird ,

There's validity in going after something that specifically symbolizes Elon rather than a random gas guzzler. Though electric cars are (debatably) less harmful than regular ones, Elon has done a lot of work in setting back even better solutions by promoting them over things like trains.

Also he sucks for a million other reasons but he's definitely a sort of wolf in sheep's clothing when it comes to environmentalism.

Bye ,

That’s so stupid. Yes it’s ugly, impractical, and dumb. But if it’s anything like the R1T or Hummer EV, it gets 50-70 mpg equivalent. That’s great.

over_clox ,

Why bother? The climate is gonna make them rust all by itself eventually, probably sooner than later going by the recent reports...

Death_Equity ,

The point is attention and a false sense of accomplishment.

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