inb4_FoundTheVegan

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 1 day ago

I don't eat meat because it causes suffering in another. Plants have no concept of pain without a brain, nervous system or even nerve endings. So to me, the question becomes if the lab grown meat was ever attached to a brain that could feel suffering.

Now as far i understand it, lab grown meat isn't nessecarily grown in isolation from a cow. But in a solution primarily compromised of blood extracted from living cows. That's without question better than killing a creature, buuuuuuut we all know that when profits are involved the health of a animal is not prioritized.

So it really depends, while I don't miss meat, once lab grown becomes widely available I'll make my choice depending on the exact process of how it reached the grocery store.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 17 hours ago

No. It's really not. I know the study you are going to link with the clickbait title that "plants feel pain", but it's unscientific garbage.

When you cut a plant, it only reacts with a secretion. That's not sentience, it has no concept of pain because it literally does not have the required parts to feel it. Pain requires a nerve ending to feel the sensation, a brain to process that sensation in to an threat and a system to connect those two organs. Plants have none of this.

Yes plants release a pheromone when they are cut, but to extrapolate that to pain is a wild leap. If I cut an animal, they bleed, they yell, and they either run away or attack me, they generally do the same for their children. Exactly like humans react when cut. It's impossible to disprove if plants have some other totally radically different type of intelligence we just don't understand yet, but there is no evidence to suggest that is the case. I am making my choices based off evidence, not "idk, what if it was true". It's the same reason I know the earth is round and not flat, evidence not vibes.

It is intellectually dishonest to say that a potato and a pig perceive the world in the same way.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 16 hours ago (edited 15 hours ago)

If you can argue that the line is between animals and plants, then someone else can argue the line is between animals and humans.

See, this is where you are just throwing your hands up and giving up on an sort of ethics. Because it's theoretically possible for plants to feel pain then there is no reason to act moral when it comes to animals who we KNOW feel pain.

It's like saying "porn with adults is harmful, but so is porn with children, who is to say where the line is? It's an open question that is all perspective, so consume whatever you like". When we know for a fact that sexual abuse of children causes suffering as opposed to what consenting adults do for a job.

Saying plants feel pain is motivated reasoning to call vegans hypocrites, not to actually produce a better world. I did not message you with my beliefs, you messaged me with whataboutism. 99% of the food humans eat is living in some sense (aside from minerals like salt), yeast in my bread is alive in some sense, but comparing that life to an animal as a reason it may not be matter? That it's all perspective? Well then why not draw the line around cannibalism of anyone under a certain IQ. If consciousness is such an open question, then who is to say anyone is real except for myself? If I hurt another human, who is to say that they feel at all? It could all be simulation from a certain perspective so who cares?

This sort of "what if" and "it depends" whataboutism doesn't actually help anyone. I didn't bring veganism to you, you brought this to me. This is just naval gazing because calling vegan hypocrites makes you more secure in your own choices. You're not saying anything of value,

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 14 hours ago

🙄🤦

hypocrites who call out others while justifying their own ethical blind spots are typically more interested in self-righteousness than actually improving the world.

Exactly. I agree completely, but scroll up and remember I didn't call ANYONE out in my original comment. I came to this thread because my perspective was asked for in the title. You came to me with a "but plants" trying to call MY beliefs out. So think whatever you want, but frankly, leave me the hell alone. This isn't a discussion I asked for, it's not on topic and you're not saying anything interesting.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 4 days ago

“Today, the Court puts bump stocks back in civilian hands. To do so, it casts aside Congress’s definition of ‘machinegun’ and seizes upon one that is inconsistent with the ordinary meaning of the statutory text and unsupported by context or purpose.”

“We conclude that [a] semiautomatic rifle equipped with a bump stock is not a ‘machinegun’ because it does not fire more than one shot ‘by a single function of the trigger"

“When I see a bird that walks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, I call that bird a duck,”

Ignoring reality in favor of weird essentialism to support your base, is like peak conservative. How dumb.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 4 days ago

That has nothing to do with "being a machine gun". That is just how semi auto guns work.

This sort of "X is X no matter what changes, it is always X" essentialist thinking is why conservites are increasingly getting frustrated and loosing touch with the more complex reality the rest of the world occupies. This is the same line of thinking that keeps y'all upset about trans rights and understanding systemic racist.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 5 days ago

Ticket prices originally used to be fixed by the goverment, which made airlines try to offer the best experince as a way to attract customers. But then lobbyists chanted "deregulation" enough times and airlines could set their own prices. Which of course started a race to the bottom where the way to attract customers was now to slash costs. It's a big reason how back in the 50s being a commercial airline pilots or flight attendent was prestigious profession, became today where most of a flight crew, pilot included, qualify for SNAP.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 7 days ago (edited 7 days ago)

Honestly, this is hesrt breaking. Always expected from anyone "converted to straight". But this guy spent his whole life denying himself and then made his profession pushing and reinforcing that shame on to others. He is absolutely a victim, but I imagine that accepting himself comes with a lot of regrets regarding others the people he.... "helped".

One can only hope he becomes a force for acceptance and self love moving forward. But, I imagine regrets will haunt him for the rest of his days. Poor guy.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 6 days ago

Without knowing anything about you then I'd recommend The Lathe of Heaven. If you want something more political and sociological, The disposed. If you are queer, then The Left Hand of Darkness shoots to the top of my recommendations.

But Ursula is my favorite author, so I think picking up any of these will be a treat.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 8 days ago

Man with brain injury who recently had been publicly eviscerated for a rightward swing maybe is a little bit careless when driving

Yeah? And? There are accidents all the time.

Yeah it’s suspicious.

Total non sequiter.

Just come out and say what you think is going on. Was this some convulated failed assassination? Was he trying to murder suicide? Did the deepstate cut his brakes because he told Bill Maher too much?!

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 8 days ago (edited 8 days ago)

Lol wut? You're the one claiming something suspicious happened in this extremely boring non lethal non interesting event that happens every minute of every day, but now I'M the consisparcy blog nut?

There is no consisparcy here! You are making so many wild jumps here. I was laughing at you with those 3 """theories""".

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 8 days ago

Then what exactly is suspicious?!?

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 8 days ago

I’m saying I doubt it was an “accident.”

That is literally the definition of a conspiracy.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 8 days ago

Jesus. You should've just said that from the start. Maybe he is, who knows.

But look at the mass downvotes and negative responses to your original comment. You need to understand that conspiracy nuts think everything is suspicious and part of whatever grand master plan they believe in. So when you talk like a nut, people assume you are one and treat you as such.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 8 days ago

should be able to be called “suspicious”

Its easy to say everyone misunderstood me, but you should look at the common factor in each of those misunderstandings. You can think you communicated perfectly, but if the net effect is so many people didn't understand you, then perhaps it's time to consider more precise word choice instead of vague thinks like "suspicious".

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 8 days ago

🙄

"Everyone but me was wrong."

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 8 days ago

Or... classic arrogance. Everyone else can mishear but impossible for you to misspeak?

You sound like a teenager.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 8 days ago

I made myself very clear in responses to the original comment what I meant

Come back to this thread in a month and re-read. You were vague on top of vague.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 9 days ago

"There's a line from the first 'Batman,' Joker's like ‘I’ve been dead once already. It's very liberating.'"

You... you get that the Joker was the bad guy right? Who went on to kill a bunch of people? I guess it makes sense that this is your reasoning for becoming a republican but what a weird quote choice.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 10 days ago

Justice from the law usually, but not always, has one person thinking that their sentance was a miscarriage of justice.

So good. Cry Alex. Cry a fucking lot.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 10 days ago

Personally, I think you're really close to the answer but with an important distinction. The great filter is an hyper aggressive species that does not want to deal with a potential cold war with a different species with technology as advanced as their own. They already launched their doomsday armageddon weapon at us after detecting our existence, probably from something like our farthest satille, Voyager 1.

It could take generations for the bomb heading to our sun or stealth asteroid heading directly for us to actually connect. But it's arguably in their best interest not to even chance us becoming militarily on par with them.

Statistically there is alien life out there somewhere, and whichever one got to interplanetary weapons first would have everything to lose by allowing an equal to exist.

My question for you is, why do you want a female perspective on this? Idk, doesn't seem like something that gender would effect.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 10 days ago

I love compliments! So long as it's not an attempt to start a conversation, if you think I'm pretty say so! But please don't expect me to say anything besides "thank you" and keep walking.

The only time I would rather a guy didn't is if I am forced to stay in the area. If we are in a elevator or waiting room, don't make it awkward because I'm absolutely not gonna reciprocate or set up a date with someone I don't know.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 10 days ago

Because idc what you are feeling, I don't want to touch a random drunk guy. Sorry, not sorry.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 10 days ago

😂

I do not. Heck, the thread is about asking the other sex, I wouldn't have answered if I was a dude.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 10 days ago (edited 10 days ago)

This exact scenario sounds threatening and like a total buzz kill. You need to understand that being out in a bar situation is a little vulnerable for women for obvious reasons, how am I supposed to know the guy coming up yelling to do a thing is safe? This could turn scary so dang quick. I get that you are just trying to be friendly and personable, but if I don't know you then I would absolutely be taking a step back and wish you hasn't done that.

I can't speak for all women, but you asked. I'm not even remotely suprsied that this isn't something other women don't reciprocate. I think maybe you should reconsider doing this.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 10 days ago

Seriously, this is like lightweight man or bear.

💯 💯 💯 💯 💯

The privilege of not having to be on guard while out around drunk people.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 10 days ago

I'm a woman and this is pretty close to my entire life. After suffering a dog attack I can't really walk anymore and it's a struggle to do a lot of basic household tasks. I too was also pretty skeptical I would ever find a relationship, but it's been over two years with my girlfriend and she is wonderfully supportive. We divide up house work based around what I can do and is always checking in if I'm feeling up to doing something.

All I'm saying is you can't give up hope. Women exist who are okay with our situations, you'll find her sooner or later. :)

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 10 days ago (edited 10 days ago)

Sorts seems like you know that most women say the bear and you are upset about it. Do you actually want to understand why?

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 10 days ago (edited 10 days ago)

I understand most of every side of every argument because I’m not a moron.

🙄

This sort of arrogant lack of self awareness sounds pretty moronic to me.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 10 days ago (edited 10 days ago)

Well three big reasons, it's statistically less likely to be an incident, has less terrible results if DOES become a problem and the personal experiences of women. So just to be clear, the hypothetical is

Would you rather be alone in the woods with a random man or a random bear?

And the vast majority of women, myself included, pick the random bear. Of course we realize that bears are dangerous creatures, on average they attack about 40 people a year worldwide. Primarily hikers that get too close to a mother bear and it attacks to protect its cubs.

Now compare that with the statistics of sexual violence. A few things should jump out, primarily that 1 in 5 women experince sexual assault at some point in their lives. One in three victims are minors and just over half of those attacking the crime are known to the victim. It's hard to compare those numbers straight across, because per year and in lifetime aren't quite the same thing, BUT it's also very clear that it's WAY WAY WAY more likely that a young woman will be harmed by men they know. Exponentially more so than they are attack by bears.

(and it's worth nothing that most experts agree those numbers are likely lower than reality due to social pressures and shame)

If I were hypothetically alone in the woods with a bear, I would know that so long as I leave the bear alone, its likely to leave me alone. If I mess with it or it's cubs, I'm liable to have a problem but if I focus on getting home then it's likely not a problem.

But if it were a random man that knew we were alone in the woods? Well, not only is the man faster and stronger than me, he is also way more likely to harm me than a bear. If I attempt to evade a human, it's way less assured that I could get home safely. Not only is he way smarter and more motivated to find me than a bear, but he also runs the risk of being sadistic. Even in a worse case scenario, the worst thing a bear can do is simply kill me. But some men are liable to keep me alive simply for their gratification and then eventually kill me. To speak nothing of sadists who will specfically enjoy my suffering. That's not a risk with the bear. Getting the worst bear in the world means minutes of pain if I am reckless enough to be near it, but getting the worst man means hours/days/weeks of suffering from a captor that is much harder to escape from. Regardless of my actions, age, appearance or relationship to the man.

And let's say a man/bear does assault me in the woods and I escape back to civilization. Everyone will believe me when I say a bear attacked me. But not so it I say a man. That will prompt questions of

"what were you wearing?"

"Did you lead him on?"

"He said it was consentual, you might be lying because you regret it."

Mosy women have not been raped, BUT most women have had a man try something explict with them while alone. Be it alone in an apartment, home, classroom or any other place. So when the hypothetical is total isolation from society, laws and repurcussions. When it's just me alone in the woods, the bear is a safer bet on every single factor.

Try to answer the question with your little sister in mind, would you rather her be alone in the woods with a stranger man or a random bear? Because as I said before, tragically, 1 in 3 victims are minors, how many many men would we this as their golden opportunity for SA without repercussions? Would those men seek her out? Or would you rather the subject contuine being a wild animal in the woods that doesn't care your sister even exists.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 10 days ago

Well, it depends.

• If you're a non-binary person, we'll eliminate the non and that's any binary trans or cis person.

• If you are genderfluid person, then I suppose it would be gendersolid? So probably any cis person?

• If you're an agender person, then your opposite would obviously be pangender , you can be a lack to their all.

• And if you are simply a person, well then that would be xenogender!

Or vice versa! ♥ 💕

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 12 days ago

“What’s the purpose of the security check if you’re not actually taking any action?”

To be plausible deniability for a system that sees inmate suicide as a feature, not a bug.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 13 days ago

Anarchist. I look forward to being kill by tankies moments after the revolution.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 14 days ago

"She doesn't wamt you to read this book"

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 14 days ago

What service do I use for food?

My girlfriend mostly.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 16 days ago

Good for him. As a queer woman, it's always nice to see progress. But just like Pete Buttigeig, trash policies means I absolutely won't vote for him. Nor commit his name to memory, despite libertians booing at Trump the other day, they are still conservatives so this dork championing their deregulation nonsense doesn't move the needle for me.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 16 days ago

Oh gawd no. I did tolerate a friend of a friend who voted Trump under the agreement we weren't gonna talk politics.

But.... Then roe v wade got over tuned and he was openly laughing at me loosing basic human rights. Anyways, he is in jail now anyways for trying to shoot his GF while blackout drunk.

And that's the story of when I decided to have standards for people I let in to my life.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 16 days ago

PBS has a great documentary on this. Watched it a few weeks ago and learned a lot.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 17 days ago

Nevermind the fact that Robert De Niro is not a broadcaster. Why would he get this award anyways?

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 18 days ago

Seems like something ya mess around with for 20 minutes, realize that their is a lot more to writing than a prompt and never think about it again.

Neat, but also kinda dumb.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 19 days ago (edited 19 days ago)

Many states will not allow a divorce if the woman is pregnant, it's a twisted cycle of abuse and control.

A study recently published in the Journal of the American College of Surgeons found that states that restricted abortion access from 2018 to 2020 had a 75 percent higher rate of peripartum homicide — people who were killed while pregnant or in their first year after giving birth — than states without restrictions. The same trend did not hold in homicide rates for men.

Just like the pieces of shit that rail about "No fault divroce destroying the family", Restrictions on the bodily autonmy of women leads only to death and misery, I refuse to call those people "pro-life" or "pro-family", they are simply anti-womens rights.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 19 days ago (edited 19 days ago)

Well idk if I would say that, it was just a classic trope. Noir is very much alive and defined by not having any "good" charcters, just lots of shades of gray quasi heroes. "Nightcralwer", "Emily the Criminal" and "Girl with the dragon tattoo" movies are great examples of modern noir. That trope is just dated, but also still used in sci-fi like Blade Runner.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 19 days ago

Oh sorry lol, I just really like noir and will take any reason to gush.

And yeah, he was a horrible monster, I loved every second. 😂

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 19 days ago

Ugggh....

Hillary, come on. I swear she is lab grown to be smug and unlikeable.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 25 days ago

Trump was booed especially loudly when he called for the Libertarian Party to nominate him, instead of its own candidate, in the election.

"Or you can just keep getting your three percent"

Not that I care, but what the fuck was your plan here? Just roasting libertarians for the fun of it?

Which to be fair, is a hobby of mine.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 26 days ago

McDonalds was just trying to get ahead of what they thought was an inevitable wage increase so they had an excuse to price hike.

Damn, you let people live like this?
-Ronald

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 26 days ago

Told the fiance of the girl I was secretly seeing that I would probably bang her tonight at her birthday party. I vaguely remember puking in the toilet that night but then woke up in the garage the next morning confused why everyone was giving me the stink eye.

I still feel really bad about it, like not even just how I told but the fact that I was even seeing her anyways. I was young, but that's not an excuse and I should've know better.

That night was a wake up call.

inb4_FoundTheVegan , 30 days ago

I agree with her final take.

$6,000 plus for two day down to the minute itinerary app based experince? Hell no. Sounds expensive and exhausting.

$400 bucks for a dinner for two with drinks, a floor show and a ton of cool photo ops? Well that's something I would consider for a fun date night if I lived in the area.