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urda , in Did Magic Die When Art and Science Split?
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I recommend to those feeling this to read “Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance” by Robert M. Pirsig.

iiGxC , in Did Magic Die When Art and Science Split?
acosmichippo , (edited ) in Did Magic Die When Art and Science Split?
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I disagree with the author. It's not like scientists today are robots who only study in their field and have no interest in arts at all. With the quantity of scientists in existence you're going to get a vast array of varying interests outside their fields. I fact I would say many people are inspired to become scientists by arts such as science fiction; we don't need formal education as priests or monks to have “mystery and wonder” as she puts it. Likewise with artists, there are lots of artists who are interested in and inspired by science.

Secondly, as knowledge progresses it's necessary that we specialize more, or at least some of us do. It takes an entire lifetime to get to the root of today's scientific mysteries, which was not the case 200 years ago. All the low hanging fruit has been picked. So again, dedicating a significant portion of a scientist's life to religious "magic" is only going to be detrimental to that cause.

unreachable , in Did Magic Die When Art and Science Split?
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"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clark

kralk , in The Dairy Industry Must Act Faster to Keep H5N1 Bird Flu from Starting a Human Epidemic

How is this the dairy industry's job? Surely it's for government to look after public health? The dairy industry just produces dairy?

Drusas ,

The dairy industry can vaccinate their livestock, test their milk for the virus, and (god forbid) improve the conditions the cows live in such that they are not in such constant close contact with one another, among other issues.

And if you read the article, you'll see that industry regulation is also mentioned.

iiGxC , in The Dairy Industry Must Act Faster to Keep H5N1 Bird Flu from Starting a Human Epidemic

The end of animal agriculture is long overdue

veganpizza69 ,
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avidamoeba , (edited ) in The Dairy Industry Must Act Faster to Keep H5N1 Bird Flu from Starting a Human Epidemic
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Is the epidemic expected this quarter or next? If it's this quarter, I have some numbers to make go up. Remind me in three months.

over_clox , in The Dairy Industry Must Act Faster to Keep H5N1 Bird Flu from Starting a Human Epidemic

I can accept the technical name H5N1 influenza, but holy fuck, why in the hell do they call it "bird flu"?!

Cows are not birds. Humans are not birds...

Zozano ,

H5N1 is commonly found in wild birds.

over_clox ,

And domesticated chickens, and cows..

Your point is?

SlopppyEngineer ,

It's not supposed to be in cows. That's the issue.

over_clox ,

Who are we to dictate where H5N1 goes?

Obviously it's in cows and other creatures as well, so clearly it's not restricted to birds. Face the facts, it's not a "bird" flu, and it shouldn't be called that anymore, as it's obviously not exclusive to birds.

H5N1 works for me. At least the technical name doesn't mislead people into thinking only one category of animals can get it.

statist43 ,

The name is the know where it does come from, and not for who it can infect...

catloaf ,

It is not commonly found in cows. That's new.

SlopppyEngineer , in The Dairy Industry Must Act Faster to Keep H5N1 Bird Flu from Starting a Human Epidemic

The companion article about American contrariness was also fun. Fauci warns against drinking raw milk and immediately social media has people promoting drinking raw milk "for immunization" making the sale of raw milk shoot up.

At this moment I think if a new pandemic starts, nurses are just going to quit their jobs in the spot instead of going through all that again.

Chainweasel ,

Fauci warns against drinking raw milk and immediately social media has people promoting drinking raw milk "for immunization" making the sale of raw milk shoot up.

They're so mentally fragile and easy to manipulate that I feel like Fauci could "warn" against drinking pasteurized milk and getting vaccinated and the problem would solve itself.
The only issue is there's plenty of people on the left that wouldn't be able to see what was actually going on and that the left was having a collective "Shhh! ;)" moment and take him seriously and think he lost his mind.

WoahWoah , (edited ) in Transgender Athletes Could Be At A Physical Disadvantage, New Research Shows

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  • venoft ,
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    The main problem with that is sports would then be like 95% played by males. Almost no woman can match a man in sports where physical endurance, strength or speed is involved.

    paysrenttobirds , in Transgender Athletes Could Be At A Physical Disadvantage, New Research Shows

    I'm glad people are studying this, and I do agree there is a lot of unwarranted fears mixed up in this topic. But full acceptance of this science will not answer the whole issue, as in this study

    All transgender participants had undergone hormone therapy for over a year

    Which is not the definition of transgender used by teams and organizations in most of these controversies, if athletes even want to disclose their health history.

    kyle , in Transgender Athletes Could Be At A Physical Disadvantage, New Research Shows

    This is incredible work. I have one question that confused me, the article says that trans and cisgender women have the same bone density, which is linked to muscle strength. Then it says that bone density "is not indicative of athletic prowess".

    If bone density and muscle strength are positively correlated, then it should be an indication of athleticism, no? Do I have a misunderstanding of what they consider "athletic prowess"?

    usernamesAreTricky OP ,

    I believe the diference between the two claims may be due to controlling for height in one of the findings that they don't correlate to athleticism and not in the other

    Reading some more scientific literature, I think they probably read that it was associated with muscle mass (due being associated with height which wasn't controled for). Controling for height makes the association go away

    They are basing it off of different reports between those claims

    kyle ,

    Thank you. Certainly sounds like more research needs to take place, but this is awesome and will hopefully encourage more studies.

    I also thought it was interesting that discrepancies between trans and cisgender women in strength could be attributed to trans women being forced to use men's training facilities, equipment and resources, which get more funding and are better equipped. It's amazing what you learn when you control certain variables.

    I_Fart_Glitter , in Transgender Athletes Could Be At A Physical Disadvantage, New Research Shows

    I feel like not enough people know why we're even hearing about this issue. In 2019, a conservative think tank did focus groups and figured out that trans women and girls competing in sports against cis women and girls would be the most upsetting social issue for middle class suburban women and conservative democrats. It did better at swaying votes than any economic issue, and tested well in local elections, so they took it to the national scale. It was never about the athletes.

    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/07/wedge-issue-dividing-trumpworld-392323

    When Schilling considered the range of issues making centrist voters and suburban parents uncomfortable, the one that stood out to him was transgender rights: an issue that had largely been absorbed into the Democratic platform, but which he suspected many Americans were still processing themselves. But what was the right angle to take? Earlier that summer, American Principles Project had partnered with a behavioral science firm to assess whether focusing on transgender issues could turn educated suburbanites into Republican voters.

    APP and its data partner, Evolving Strategies, analyzed how thousands of registered Kentucky voters reacted to different messages about what they described as Beshear’s “extreme” support for transgender rights. Should men be allowed to participate in sports events for women and girls? Andy Beshear thinks so. Should men be permitted to use women’s restrooms because they identify as transgender women? Andy Beshear thinks so.

    “What we found was the sports issue got the most powerful response from people, specifically conservative Democrats and independents,” Schilling would explain to me later.

    “We wanted Bevin to win, but more than anything, we wanted to test this out before trying it at a much larger scale. Now, donors understand that although we came up a few votes short in Kentucky, this can still work. This is persuasive,” Schilling said.

    retrospectology , (edited )
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    "Should men be allowed to participate in sports events for women and girls?"

    Really the most appropriate response to this framing is that men aren't participating in women's sports.

    We all have both sets of the genes that control whether our bodies express male or female secondary sex characteristics. We're born with both male and female genetic code and it never goes away, it's simply a matter of which are being expressed and which are not.

    The reason HRT works is because tipping the hormone balance from majority male to majority female or vice versa is telling the trans persons body "express female/male genes now" which results in real biological change, the same changes that cis people experience, the same genes that would be active were the person born as their target sex. After transition, trans people are biologically closer to their target sex than their birth sex, the literal tissue of their body has changed.

    This study just bears that truth out.

    I_Fart_Glitter ,

    The language they use there would be hilarious if it wasn't, you know, horrible. Men against girls. Like there's a bunch of surly 35 year old men, absolutely dunking on a team of 5 year old girls just doing their best!

    ShareMySims ,

    I had assumed, but didn't know it was a documented thing that we know happened. Thanks for sharing, and thanks OP, too.

    Not that it matters, transphobes will make up whatever excuse they need to dismiss this like they do all other well documented science and facts, they just need so deeply to beat down on someone they see as inferior.

    Streetlights , in Transgender Athletes Could Be At A Physical Disadvantage, New Research Shows

    Fascinating. It doesn't look like they controlled for height/weight so it's not surprising that the grip strength of TW was so much higher than for CW. Agree with their conclusion that a larger cohort is needed for a longitudinal study rather than a cross-sectional one.

    maniii ,

    HRT doesnt level the playing field for benefits gained due to "doping" or "Y-chromosome" development.

    Sports should have "XX-chromosome" category i.e. Female/Women sports. And "XY-chromosome" category i.e. Male/Men sports.

    And if there are sufficient participants, an "All-Gender" category i.e. Open/Neutral sports.

    There is no need to co-opt or include ambiguous situations. Sports should be fair, equal-opportunity and intensely competitive within their segments.

    Rampsquatch ,

    That's entirely too reasonable, how am I supposed to argue with you now?

    maniii ,

    It sucks that everything these days get politically and ideologically bent out of shape. I just want to enjoy sports without all the hoopla and co-opting.

    Just too excited waiting for the Paris 2024 to start, hopefully there will be less controversy and more human moments in sports.

    Keep Being a Good Human and Calmly Carry On Being Excellent to One Another !

    :-D

    ShareMySims ,

    hopefully there will be less controversy and more human moments in sports.

    Just no trans moments, since they're all being excluded, but sure, what's important is that there is no "hoopla" to distract you from your entertainment.. 🙄

    maniii ,

    :smh: If you have to split hairs what is "Human" I cannot help you. Be Awesome or don't it is eventually every persons choice to act or not act.

    usernamesAreTricky OP ,

    Did you read the original study here at all?

    maniii ,

    Very interesting

    lolcatnip ,

    So you're advocating generic testing for anyone who wants to play sports? What about people who are neither XX nor XY? Do you expect trans women to share locker rooms with men?

    usernamesAreTricky OP , (edited ) in Transgender Athletes Could Be At A Physical Disadvantage, New Research Shows

    Worth highlighting this part of the article since I've seen a number of people falsely claiming the opposite on lemmy.world lately:

    Transgender women’s bone density was found to be equivalent to that of cisgender women, which is linked to muscle strength.

    And this is not the first study showing this same trend

    Similar findings have been echoed in previous reporting. According to a recent report that generated an in-depth review of all English-language scientific literature (published between 2011-2021) about transgender (trans) women athlete participation in elite sport, several key conclusions coincide with findings from the IOC funded study

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