@GottaLaff
"Will the lying, fraudster, rapist, convicted felon, insurrectionist, orange narcissistic psychopath drop out of the race to prevent the shaming of the reputation of the United States?"
The other guy is a serial rapist who says he wants to throw a bunch of people in jail for hurting his feelings, and was just given the OK by the supreme court to break the law.
@GottaLaff Really. Where are all the headlines about Spanky's mental health. His dad had Alzheimer's, and he is behaving like he's a whole suit short of a deck.
@CStamp@GottaLaff But even that, I think, is the wrong framing because it leads to "they're both old and decrepit". The focus should be on one will preserve democracy and our institutions, and the other will use his christian nationalist SCOTUS to dismantle the country piece by piece. Nothing else matters. WE need to be done talking about the debate.
@GottaLaff But he didn't mess up. To say he messed up would mean he got facts and figures, history, etc wrong during the debate. Now i'm not sure if he did or not. But i would imagine he did not. I mean aside from the usual america is the greatest country on earth lies.
Speaking softly. Correcting yourself. Having to stop talking when your time is up? Those aren't signs of having screwed anything up. I mean i even heard he had a cold or had a sore throat.
Basically. He's admitting he messed up when he didn't actually mess up. It's like saying you screwed up a presentation because you got hit by a car and couldn't show up to it on account of being in traction. lol
Only fascists pretend to be flawless demigods (and of course they're lying). Not sure why people are expecting Democrats to be horrified by Biden copping to his screw-up.
@GottaLaff@georgetakei
Also of note is that the media has been harping on his age since before the 2020 election. They don't have anything else to criticize. That in itself speaks volumes as does President Biden's record.
@GottaLaff Obvious cognitive decline is a different deal altogether. Anyone with aging relatives experience knows what they saw. I'd vote for anyone but Trump anyhow, but we should not pretend this is the same situation as the Hillary nonsense was.
@GottaLaff LOL! Please continue to fight over Slow Biden's unfitness for office. This is hilarious because #MAGA doesn't care about my age or criminal convictions. All we do is win. Are you ready for me to #FuckAmericaOverAgain?
@GottaLaff
What angers me is that all these coup attempts at Biden re-election dont stem from empathy at all. I do worry about Biden and I really would not want a guy who worked all his life for America to be in that position. But all the coup attempts never mention any of that and they all exhibit a bloodthirsty desire to gain something for themselves and not for the country. That is why they all can eff off.
@GottaLaff This time, though, there ARE genuine health worries about an 81 year old man, and polls show Kamala Harris comes closer to beating Trump percentage wise.
@GottaLaff they could nominate the most recent Ironman champion and we'd read about potential health problems at some point...
It's always the same game.
@GottaLaff I am a fan of Joe Biden but this is very different, an 80+ presidential candidate at the start of his term is simply a bad idea, not a country in the world would think it's smart to make such an old person presidential candidate, even if he was the most fit 80+ year old ever.
@ErikJonker@GottaLaff
At this stage there is no other viable candidate, and the alternative 'president' is unthinkable. Additionally, a Vice President isn't only for decoration.
@hoare_spitall@GottaLaff That's the perception but the reality is there are always alternatives, there should be, also because Biden could also die before the election, he is already 81. Democrats should get out of their "tunnel vision" that Biden is the one and only possible candidate to beat Trump.
@ErikJonker@GottaLaff
I would have also preferred another candidate selected at an earlier stage, but at this late stage I was referring to a 'viable' candidate, for whom there is a huge mass of problems to be resolved, to which I know of no guaranteed answers.
Age ? Konrad Adenauer became W. German Chancellor at age 73 and remained in office until 1963, his 87th year.
@ErikJonker@hoare_spitall@GottaLaff
Hi Erik, from someone celebrating #IndependenceDay I'd like to know if you'd like for Americans to start interfering in Dutch elections like you are doing to the one here in the USA?
@xvf17@ericschutte@GottaLaff@ErikJonker@hoare_spitall
Plus, it's quite ironic that Eric would bring up concern about what the Kremlin is doing in relation to Dutch public opinion. I'm sure they too have political technologists messing around with their electorate the same as here.
FWIW ... the dude you blocked is from the Netherlands (according to his bio). I always find it interesting when non-American accounts persistently drive harmful narratives.
According to your bio - you live in the NETHERLANDS.
Do us non-fascist Americans a favor and STFU. By driving this narrative, you and people like you are making it much more likely that Trump will be elected.
@GottaLaff an interview with Richardson on the recent court decision and the broader meaning for the country. She states we have five months to the election to change hearts and minds.
It’s heartbreaking for me because I already lost one country. I never thought I’d be living through this again in this one.
@GottaLaff Right there with you! The more I’m hearing this ridiculous nonsense, the more I believe that this is the propaganda angle Russian agents are exploiting.
@emconkster@GottaLaff It is. I've seen it in a lot of obvious troll accounts on various platforms. They're trying to do the Dems in Disarray thing because there's no way they can magically make their dude not a felon.
Yes that your statement was factual and you cutting to the chase is a good thing.
Our choice is felon facist or Democracy, it’s really so very simple and yet there are those debating it. Which is cuckoo in the first degree.
@GottaLaff@ErikJonker I'm wondering though is there someone named Roger Stone somewhere in the mix? I ask because he's famous for dirty tricks and I would put it past him to put in stories or plant them for opposition poisoning. It might be the Russians or the Chinese but it helps only one person: Trump. And that's why it's so suspect.
@kshapar@GottaLaff@ErikJonker ok so you guys don’t care that Biden was polling terrible in swing states months and months before the debate. And polling worse now.
Building a personality cult around Biden is a choice.
@otownKim@kynyc@kshapar@GottaLaff It's also important that when Biden is on the phone with Xi or Putin, he is sharp enough (that can also be at night, in time of war/crisis), I highly doubt that
@ErikJonker@kynyc@kshapar@GottaLaff It's also important to remember they are Dictators and against the US. So, your point is irrelevant to this thread! You sound like a BOT at this point. So kindly F off. I am blocking you. You are useless
@otownKim@kshapar@GottaLaff@ErikJonker maroon is a super racist term, boomer. And a Biden decree=doesn’t actually have much to do with democracy.
Also your guy can talk without a teleprompter for 10 min.
I'm an IND. I voted for Biden in my state primary. I'm in one of those "critical" swing states. All my immediate voting-age family members (8) voted for Biden. We're all IND.
It is bizarre to me that people seem to think we didn't already factor in his age when we voted for him.
But we didn't have to worry because it's not like his running mate was going to be freaking RFKJr!
Furthermore, if he were 45 years old, I'd still want to know he was backed up by a competent and capable VP and team, because none us is promised tomorrow.
I'm also not currently worried that he is incompetent. Where is the evidence? Failing to "win" a "debate" that wasn't even a debate, against an unconstrained liar is evidence of nothing.
I take your point and I see why my phrasing would lead to the conclusion that I am affirming that he lost the debate.
If I were a better writer I would have been able to convey that, when I say "failing to 'win' the debate," in my mind I'm citing what the media and various pundits are accusing him of. And not what I think.
I agree with Heather Cox Richardson and Ruth Ben-Ghiat who both said that wasn't even a debate. And in that sense I feel like if I say he "won" then I'm condoning it being called a "debate."
My fantasy wish is that the majority of the American people would have been able to come together and say to CNN "we reject your calling that a debate."
@GottaLaff@ErikJonker The people calling for Biden to drop out aren't doing so because they think it would be better for Democrats. They're intentionally doing it because they know it would cause chaos and problems and almost guarantee Trump wins and takes power over the US. They also know that by continuing to spread BS that implies he's flailing or etc it generally hurts him if they can keep it going.
It is intentionally disingenuous and specifically designed to cause harm to this country.
@jztusk@ErikJonker@GottaLaff Also, there are still people that want Bernie Sanders!! He's 82!! Seriously. Drumpf is LITERALLY a convicted felon and convicted Rapist!!!
@ErikJonker@GottaLaff "I am a fan of Biden but..." is a phrase I'm seeing all too often right now, and is entering the "not to criticize but" collection of dishonest openers.
If his age is an issue right now, then it was an issue during primary season, and during the runup. Age is predictable like that. That's when this conversation should have happened, during the "selecting candidates" phase of the election.
We're well beyond that phase. The RNC is a week and a half away. The DNC is further off, but that doesn't change the fact that the Dem primaries ended almost a month ago.
Maybe you felt the same way back in December, before the primaries began. Or maybe you thought Biden was a great candidate at that point. Or maybe you weren't thinking about it at all. But now, you care enough to explain, unprompted, why it's really been a problem the whole time.
Why? Why now? Are you sure you're not doing exactly what the first post suggests?
It's not just a vote for Pres. Biden... it's a vote for valued ideals, its a vote for a constitutional republic and not a king. It's a vote for 59 year old VP Harris, it's a vote for the many highly intelligent, loyal to the constitution and diverse people on Bidens staff. It's a vote for the continuation of the "More Perfect Union"... IMO, literally, Joe is the least portion of my vote, as the prospect of losing all of the 248 years prior is far far bigger than Joe.
@ErikJonker@GottaLaff you seem to think the man is at death’s door. He’s not and as his opponent (who will not been named) is almost as old, it’s ridiculous to not consider the unarmed one equally untenable. But we don’t see that happening, Do we?
@GottaLaff I noticed the same regarding drug use at debates. Also, "stop the steal" was a slogan and plan premeditated in the 2016 campaign but he got lucky, won, and saved the plan for next time....
@GottaLaff@Cdespinosa Are you saying you saw someone on that debate stage capable of winning this election and then being President for the next four years? Honest?
@GottaLaff Unsure who is falling for it, but Biden could be on his death bed, and I would still vote for him over trump. Why? Kamala. So people need to chill. He's got a great VP should anything happen.
@GottaLaff@iagox86 I'm going to be honest, the fact that none of those screenshots show a major US publication calling for HRC to withdraw is convincing me of, well let's just say probably the opposite of what the OP wanted to convey
Sadly it's not the same this time my friend Laffy.
Usually the fascists are just spouting ridiculous conspiracies and lies, but this time the globe watched our beloved President Biden struggle with the ravages of advanced age at one of the most critical times for humanity in our lifetime.
And witnessed a compassionate soul who had accomplished more than most any would hope, suffered more than many could withstand, but whose age had finally begun to consume him.
His core supporters, like me, will never abandon him.
But too many of those who were undecided have already decided not to vote, or vote for Trump.
And Trump and his henchmen and media outlets are going to keep replaying the many heartbreaking debate moments, and will win unless President Biden passes his spirit to the next generation.
So that Trump becomes America's first dictator.
Defeating everything President Biden, and generations of uncounted millions of Americans, fought and died for.
ST
"And so together we shared the fate of all the failed democracies before us, joining those pitiful beings who had held the light of freedom in one hand, and put it out with the other."
SearingTruth
And we need not debate that all who share American ideology, and despise and reject autocratic ideology, must vote Democratic down the line no matter minor difference, in what could be the last election Americans ever hold.
Our common goal is to defeat Donald Trump and his henchmen and the horror they would unleash upon America and humanity.