And not one Republican or prominent journalist will point out that this is mostly due to the decade of rhetoric from the conservatives that political violence is the answer.
When the years start coming, they don't stop coming. Kid may not have been the sharpest tool in the shed but he tried to be an all star. He got his game on and went and played.
I changed a ton just the first 2 years of college. I had a real shitty time in high school and didn't come out of my shell until I got into an environment where I wasn't getting fucked with every time attention was focused on me. I didn't stay in touch with anyone from high school but the times I ran into people from then they often commented on how different I was. I definitely became a lot less conservative after I got out of that environment where I felt like almost everyone was my enemy.
I don't know anything about this dude but that's what happened with me.
That's why conservatives hate people getting educated at college. Being better educated tends to make them better people. Excuse me, I mean "more liberal".
Who's to say he didn't just want to die and take someone important out with him. In the mental state he was in at the time, he may not have even cared about politics.
Hopefully he wrote something down somewhere that gives us an idea to his motivation, but you're absolutely right. We may never know. From the little bit that has come out about the shooter, it sure seems likely to be a typical case of a young man feeling isolated and angry at society. I'm certainly not convinced that politics had anything to do with it at this point.
He did it... for Johnny. This is like that movie Citizen Kane where you later find out Rosemary was a sled, but we'll never find out who Johnny is, cause, like, he's dead.
Context It's quite prescient because he did indeed catch the bullet right in the ear.
Why do people keep labeling him as mentally ill? He was the only legit patriotic hero I have seen in my current short life.
Do you also call all your ancestors who were convinced of killing a bunch of spaniards in 4th of july to give you the freedom you currently enjoy, "mentally ill"? That'd be pathetic
That's good news for the coming election. But I still fear he won't ever be punished for his numerous crimes, the biggest yet to come, the pedo rape connections from the Epstein papers.
It was a horrible incident and there is no room for violence in politics…
That said, I am relieved to know that the shooter is neither an immigrant nor a person of color, or a trans person. And not someone on the left. The violent backlash from the right would be unbearable/unthinkable otherwise.
But, rifles are an old way of doing things, and predict that there will be more political violence through the next years.
Buddy not funny. Extra judicially executing your political opponents is the kinda thing trump would pull and we can't endorse or even approve of it. The state of America today keeps reminding me of the fall of the roman Republic and a fascist dying ain't gonna fix the problem, it'll just let someone more cunningly capable of such things into the seat trumps trying to fill and then sh*ts gonna turn fast. What we needs is wide reaching, institutional reform. I just don't know whose gonna push for it.
When the guy who is at the center of it all corrupted the system that's supposed to keep him in check you've lost a lot of options. Like the old saying goes, if civil unrest isn't effective the people don't stop being upset they just stop being civil.
I think you’ve missed the past 10 years - shit’s already totally fucked. It makes zero sense not to fight back against the tyrant of the minority. They should be well aware that they do not have a monopoly on violence.
There is room for violence in my opinion. Especially in cases like these where there is an exceptionally dangerous presidential candidate and exceptionally dangerous party with an exceptionally dangerous ideology.
They need to be forcefully remove,up violence if need be, before this whole thing turns REALLY violent.
Acing Trump is the path to guaranteed violence. People advocating against doing so aren’t just doing so from a moral and/or philosophical standpoint. WWI started with a politician being assassinated.
Edit:ok clowns, downvote the person saying killing a former president is a bad idea. Like several countries aren’t salivating at the idea of the US being embroiled in a civil war. Gee almost like one or more countries even have a vested interest in destabilising the US and have been accused of contributing to it. By all means though don’t let that stop you.
You live before Hitler's rise to power, and have no ability to see in the future. When would it be justified to take a violent action to change the course of history and to save as many hypothetical lives as possible?
From that perspective, I don't know if I'd be able to tell and take action without making a terrible mistake and making everything worse, we're talking about taking a life..
I know this is a hypothetical but Hitler wasn't some one man force. The nazi party was a very large organisation and without Hitler it could still have come into power in the climate that Hitler catapulted himself to fame on. Killing one man rarely makes such a big difference. The holocaust for example wasn't even Hitler idea, although he was looking for something like it. My point is don't assume the future and take things into your own hands because you're trying to tip the scales before a suspected disaster, I don't wanna find out who the savvy maverick that can exploit outrage over trumps death to move even more people to support them and without trumps bafooneries and obvious croniesm actually make a much more horrifying impact.
How on earth does this relate to WW1 at all? WW1 started because a Bosnian-Serb assassinated an Austrian duke, and when asked to investigate Serbia told Austria to fuck off. Serbia was a completely separate country to Austria, and was purposefully trying to stir up shit in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
This was a U.S. citizen trying to assassinate a former U.S. president. Nobody else in the world is going to give a shit. We actually do this with startling frequency compared to most other countries.
There wouldn't be a world war. What are you even saying??? There's no other nation involved.
Killing the man could potentially save countless lives, avoid a potential civil war at the least and maybe even avoid major international conflicts where the US would actually associate with rogue countries and leaders and leave it's regular allies.
Europeans are actually working towards a possible scenario where Trump gets elected and stops supporting them in favor of Russia!
If anything, Trump could be the the potential spark to start world war 3!
There’s no other nation involved. Except for those that would benefit from US being in civil war.
How people think killing Trump prevents a civil war instead of acting as the justification a lot of conservatives seems to have been waiting for to initiate one, boggles my mind. Like MAGA and all the alt-right/facist groups behind them just poof vanish or wander off dejected into the sunset. Yeah fucking right.
“It makes me wonder why he would carry out an assassination attempt on the conservative candidate.”
Trump is the Republican candidate, but anyone young enough to actually believes in conservative talking points would not see him as a conservative candidate and would see him as a threat to the party.
If you believe the covid shot was deadly trump signed off on killing millions of people and even if he was tricked that means he's too dumb to be trusted
I'm not even kidding. He tried out for the school shooting club and they asked him not to come back because they considered his poor shooting and gun handling dangerous.
LMFAO! I had a feeling he was conservative. It don't know about a terrible shot, he got damn close but if his school had a shooting club he was probably still better than someone untrained but could still be bad enough not to make the team. Like when I got cut from golf, a no cut sport, half way through the first day
He's a bad shot because anyone with any bit of training or even youtube experience knows to aim center mass. More chance of hitting. I picked up shooting for sport in 2017 and can hit center mass with iron sites at the distance this kid was. With my cheapo scope, I can hit out to 300 yards.
He tried lolz x-gamer headshot and failed miserably.
Absolutely it could. Vest or no vest, I don't want to get shot. But "aim for center of mass" is only the rule of thumb when the center of mass is unprotected. Otherwise, it becomes "aim for the material specifically designed to stop bullets" which is not a great rule of thumb.
I believe their entire suit is probably lined for events like this.
Edit: so people stop with the dumb ‘scifi isn’t real’ BS about body armor, I was merely stating that there is definitely a possibility that he could be wearing small arms rated Kevlar under his suit, or have it sewn into his ridiculously oversized suit, and be wearing higher caliber plates protecting his center mass.
It isn’t unreasonable to think this, and it could make sense to take a headshot if you suspected the possibility of something like this, over going for the one shot chance of a center mass hit to kill your target.
Sure, I could have worded it better, but he COULD have small arms sewn into that terrible suit, and he COULD be wearing plates protecting his center mass.
… I’m not a foremost expert of anything, but I regularly work with some of this stuff. Nothing highly advanced or obscenely expensive, but enough to know that he could absolutely be wearing something that would make, at least, handguns to the center mass ineffective. Having not seen the guy naked and not knowing what his chest looks like under his oversized suit… I couldn’t tell you exactly, especially since I’m normally and regularly not interested in what protection he’s wearing, if or if he isn’t wearing a vest with a higher caliber plate.
It’s not ‘sewn’ in shit, scifi or bad story writing, armor I’m talking about. Do you really think the president of the US can’t have small arms rated Kevlar in his oversized suit, and a vest with a plate on underneath? He’s fat enough, and his suit is ill fitted enough, as it is, you wouldn’t even noticed.
Nothing that would line a suit and still have it look anything like a suit wouldn't protect against anything worth being protected against. A bulletproof vest isn't magic armor that makes you invulnerable. A shot from anything realistic would easily break multiple bones and cause internal damage. And that's with the bullet stopping at the vest.
No one said armor prevents any damage at all,
You're pulling that out of your ass. In fact other posts in this thread are talking about how even without penetration, the distributed force from armor stopping a bullet could still be fatal for a 70+ year old.
Back on the actual topic, Hacksmith made a bespoke suit that could stop small arms with publicly accessible materials for $100k. And all of their testing was at pretty close range.
It is not infeasible for a former President and current candidate's suit used during outdoor public events like this to have some sort of material to mitigate embedded in it, even if it isn't obviously won't provide the same protection as full armor. Every little bit helps.
Have you opened up standard Kevlar body armor and seen the Kevlar pieces? It’s entirely feasible to put those same pieces in his oversized suits. Obviously, those are for small arms. For his center mass they’d put higher caliber protective plates, as well.
People act like a bulletproof vest/suit is outlandish when we're talking about a guy who has a bulletproof car and like 25 snipers watching his back lol. When he was president he had anti aircraft guns on the roof of his house. The secret service takes their job really seriously.
He had a lot of shots, at least three, so I'm not even sure he aimed at the head. If the story about the policeman distracting him is true, it means a boy on adrenalin tried his best to keep his aim straight in a hurry. I believe hitting Trump at all was an accident.
This. I'm guessing that police man actually saved trumps life because the attempt had to be carried out in a rush and with at least a mild shock still in the system.
I'm perplexed by the lack of a scope. I honestly think it was a machismo move. Wanted to try n headshot him with iron sights so people would talk about it or whatever. Maybe it was all he had, but I doubt it. There are articles saying he was a member at a local range and practiced there all the time. I'm sure he owned a scope. Maybe he didn't think he'd have time to line up a shot with a scope? Idk, it was just weird.
In this context, young men with mental health issues are the exact kinds of people to fall down the alt-right propaganda pipeline that the social media grifters are spewing, most commonly.
In my opinion though, his political affiliation is more important in the sense that it gives the copycat shooters and cultists less justification for the uptick we'll see in the coming weeks of attempted assassinations, death threats, and mass shootings (especially against democrats and minorities), though that's never stopped them before.
I absolutely agree. Young minds are impressionable are more-so when they are mentally ill. I denounce the far lefts hilter, fascist, and Nazi speech whole heartedly.
The first shot was pretty good, almost headshot at 100m+ is not bad at all with an iron sight, moving target and in "not firing range" condition. If he tried a headshot on purpose thats pretty good, not the smartest decision but still good accuracy.
Imagine if his motivation was to prove he had great aim and that they did him wrong. Maybe he just wanted to become the most well known sniper-assassin in the modern world. Maybe that's the reason he didn't use scope, he wanted his memory to be that of the rifle maverick. I wonder what went through his head after he realised he missed. I mean, other than a bullet.
