LillyPip ,
@LillyPip@lemmy.ca avatar

I hope people stop believing the bullshit that’s trying to get progressives to not vote or to vote for 3rd parties. Progressives absolutely can win democrat tickets, and that’s exactly why there’s so much propaganda trying to convince people otherwise. Progressives have a lot of political power right now, and the whole system can swing left if people don’t just give up. Progressives giving up is the only play the right has.

Maggoty ,

Progressives should absolutely vote in primaries and lower contests. They should also make it very clear there are limits to their graciousness when our president supports blatant war crimes and genocide.

el_abuelo , (edited )

Graciousness? I don't think that's the right word...you don't vote for someone because you're being gracious, you vote for someone because you think they'll deliver what you want - or in this case perhaps, the closest person who actually stands a hope in hell of getting elected.

Maggoty ,

Oh no. It's graciousness to vote for the guy you lost to and who went out of his way to break campaign promises on unions, climate change, and immigration. Another term is good loser.

But the point is there's limits. There have to be limits or else you're not a loser in a political contest, you're a blind supporter they never need to actually listen to.

LillyPip ,
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That’s objectively bullshit.

The only other option is trump. Are you trying to get people to vote for trump? If so, why?

Maggoty ,

Ah yes, Reddit, and a Biden specific sub. The very material of unbiased analysis.

Also. You're responding to something pre-debate. There are very definitely other options now. Run a debate series with select candidates, open a comment period with the state parties, and culminate in an open convention.

LillyPip ,
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I don’t disagree. But we’re living in interesting times.

I don’t like most of the people on the ticket I’ll be given in November, but you know what’s objectively worse? Actual fascism. Fascism always ends in genocide, and these white Christian nationalists aren’t even trying to hide it, going mask-off even before they have the power to back it up.

When fascists can be this bold and still keep their seats of power, that’s quite worrying.

As I saw someone say earlier, we’re in democracy triage.

I’d vote for Biden’s corpse before trump or not voting. We must wrest all power from the fascists before we can squabble about who’s more left.

Maggoty ,

We must be able to effectively fight it though. And blindly voting for the elite approved opposition ends in them holding the door open for fascists every time.

Fades ,

fuck moderates, we're fighting for our goddamn lives and the life of American democracy. We got no room for both-siders.

OldWoodFrame ,
  1. It's a very progressive district, that's how she got elected in the first place. This is not a surprise.

  2. I bet my politics fit closer to the other guy, but I'd still vote for AOC between the two because she has a national influence and disproportionate power in the Caucus. If you're actually voting to influence Congress towards helping your district in particular, AOC might get that done even if it's secondary to her national political project. Some moderate guy in a safe D seat would absolutely never get anything for your district.

GiddyGap ,

In the rest of the Western world, AOC would be considered a moderate.

RampageDon ,

Welcome to the US where the left is still right of center

DragonTypeWyvern ,

I wouldn't have a problem with liberals calling themselves the left if they knew why that was different from being a leftist

Syrc ,

Would she? I’m not that informed on her politics but I think Bernie supported her, and Bernie is definitely a progressive even by rest-of-the-world standards.

friendlymessage ,

An article about an election without any numbers. How tight was the race? How many people voted? We will never know. In fact, the whole article contains no information that wasn't known beforehand. Probably written beforehand and just put online by a timer as the result was not surprising. News media is going downhill faster and faster.

friendlymessage ,

Better source:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-primary-elections/new-york-us-house-district-14-results

Landslide win for AOC. Maybe USA today just didn't want us to know how absolutely not close the race was?

JasonDJ ,

That's exactly it.

The lies in MSM aren't what they say, it's what they don't say.

The best place to see this is at Planet Fitness, or similar place with TVs constantly tuned to all the major outlets. Watch them all at once and observe what each isn't saying.

stephen01king ,

This sounds like you were going to segue to today's sponsor, Ground News.

JasonDJ ,

I'd actually been wanting to check them out, but now that I have Nebula, nobody is plugging their affiliate links.

Snapz ,

"No MODERATE CHALLENGERS want to work anymore!!!"

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