Sounds like they leave the end somewhat vague which is ridiculous. He and his lover die, he comes back for revenge and when he gets it his reward is rejoining her in death where they are together. It’s perfect. What would a sequel be…they kill his dog like John Wick?
This news has sent shockwaves through the entertainment industry and has generated a wave of excitement and anticipation among fans.
That's the most AI-ass line I have ever read. Really? Shockwaves?
In related news, Mars has suffered a catastrophic implosion upon news of yet another boring pretty face being attached to a nostalgic property to draw in cash that probably isn't there. TheUrbanCrews.com has reached out to Ja Rule for comment...
I don’t want to see more money grabs when a movie does well.
I agree, but that's not the case here - Miller wrote Fury Road, Furiosa and The Wasteland (a prequel featuring Mad Max) at the same time, so everyone would have the back stories leading up to Fury Road. Theron wanted to make Furiosa first and she was probably right to do so - Fury Road feels like it should have been the big spectacular finish to a trilogy that you build up to.
Personally, there's no way I'm going camping on one of the most overcrowded holidays of the year. People are leaving town in droves and those that aren't leaving aren't going out? Guess my favorite pub is gonna be especially nice, and the campgrounds'll be wonderfully empty next weekend when the weather's even better. Fuck the punters. 🤌🏽
I mean, I can really only speak for myself, and I guess my wife because we would go together...
I had no idea that it was opening this weekend. I knew it was coming, I just didn't know exactly when. Same for Garfield for that matter.
Also... I guess I'm the only one who never understood why everyone went crazy for Fury Road? It was fine... It's not a bad movie... But I wouldn't put it in the same league as Road Warrior or Beyond Thunderdome.
Tom Hardy just wasn't as likeable as Mel Gibson was in the originals. Like I say, it was fine.
Honestly I am baffled by your meh opinion. Fury Road is hands down a top 10, top 5 action film of all time. I’d say the main rivals are The Matrix, Mission Impossible Fallout, Die Hard, Fifth Element, etc.
It is really even top 3 for narrative action, meaning how the action forwards the characters so consistently, which is notable here given the lack of dialogue.
EDIT: You could not like it as much in the context of the Mad Max series; however by most objective narrative measures, it is easily a top film.
I could stand watching it again, I caught it in the theater, then bought it on Blu Ray, but I haven't felt a need to re-watch it since then.
I would definitely put the Matrix, Die Hard, Fifth Element, John Wick head and shoulders above it. Two of my other favorites too... Silverado and the Untouchables.
Like I say, it's not bad, I just didn't think it was as great as everyone says it is. It was fine. It had a high bar being a new entry into the Max Max series after 30 years, but it didn't fall all over itself or anything.
I also think Fury Road was mid at best for an action movie in general, not just for the series. All of the people putting it on "best of all time" lists makes me feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
EDIT: Ah yes, "objective narrative measures". Do you have a handy list of these "objective narrative measures", along with precise, unambiguous methods of quantifying them?
Yes, objective relative to the rules or conventions of visual storytelling in an anatomic sense. This means the literal structure of the action and its values relative to characters.
Each shot (that is not in a moment of montage) has a quantifiable beginning-middle-end that is motivated by the character’s actions on the screen, and again nested inside of the sequence or scene. The reason most people experience the pace of Mad Max as unrelentingly brisk is due to the lack of wasted frames on characters. It is hyper efficient. There isn’t a single shot-reverse shot dialogue in the whole film. There isn’t unmotivated action. There is not an unnecessary or missing character on screen. And the framing from edit to edit does not yank your eye somewhere it’s not meant to be.
Compare this to another all-time action film, Bourne Ultimatum—which has an insane volume of superfluous or narratively unmotivated camera coverage in its action. Literally the action 50% of the time, while utterly spectacular, does not advance the characters at all, and certainly does not have an opinion of its action to infer from the camera choices.
You’re also completely entitled to not care and think it’s boring! But there are definitely objective storytelling mechanics that are binary insofar as they are present or not on a scene to scene, shot to shot basis.
objective relative to the rules or conventions of visual storytelling in an anatomic sense
Ok, do you have a handy list of these objective narrative measures then, along with precise, unambiguous methods of quantifying them in a manner that can objectively determine an action movie's quality?
that is motivated by the character’s actions on the screen
This is a subjective determination, unless you can somehow quantifiably show otherwise. How can we objectively know when a character's actions are or aren't sufficiently "motivated"? And even if the beginning-middle-end can somehow be shown to be objectively motivated by the character's actions on the screen, how can you prove that a lack of this sort of beginning-middle-end is objectively bad?
the lack of wasted frames on characters
This is a subjective determination, unless you can somehow quantifiably show otherwise. How can "wasted" be objectively defined here? How do we even know that "wasted" frames are objectively bad?
There isn’t unmotivated action.
This is a subjective determination, unless you can somehow quantifiably show otherwise. How can "unmotivated" be objectively defined here? How do we even know that "unmotivated" action is objectively bad?
There is not an unnecessary or missing character on screen.
This is a subjective determination, unless you can somehow quantifiably show otherwise. How can "unnecessary" or "missing" be objectively defined here? Also, how do we even know that "unnecessary" or "missing" characters are objectively bad?
And the framing from edit to edit does not yank your eye somewhere it’s not meant to be.
By your subjective judgment, unless you can somehow show otherwise. Also, how do we even know that the camera yanking your eye somewhere its not meant to be is objectively bad?
Bourne Ultimatum [...] has an insane volume of superfluous or narratively unmotivated camera coverage in its action
This is a subjective determination, unless you can somehow quantifiably show otherwise. How can "superfluous" and "narratively unmotivated" be objectively defined here? And even if they could, how can you show that this is objectively bad?
there are definitely objective storytelling mechanics that are binary insofar as they are present or not on a scene to scene, shot to shot basis.
Great! Back to my original question then, since nothing you've said here has been relevant to it: what are they, and by what metrics are they precisely defined and quantified? And more importantly, how does that objectively prove that Fury Road is a top 10 action movie?
In short, judging art is always subjective. That is inescapable, and attempts to "objectify" it are doomed to fail, because in the end there's just no accounting for taste. You can tell me why you like Fury Road, and you can even show me that your opinion lines up with "critics" or professors at your film school, but even that is an appeal to authority, and their opinions have as little to do with true objectivity as yours or mine do.
There are many things that are objectively provable, but Fury Road being a top 10 action movie according to "narrative measures" is not one of them.
With all due respect, you’re straw manning me quite a bit. I never said anything was “bad” and I never call into question taste. There is not an objective metric to enjoyment of movies or art etc.
There are objective—e.g true or false statements—about the film or story itself. A story absolutely is objectively measurable in a structural sense. You can contend that your enjoyment of a movie is totally subjective, which it is, however you nonetheless would likely agree that for some reason 95% of the stories you consume conform to common structural conventions.
You can test this by playing any number of these action movies side by side with a stopwatch if you’d like, and time when the narrative milestones occur. You could do the same for scene length relative to the purpose of each scene in the story.
There are methods of structuring story elements that absolutely will affect the way you successfully or unsuccessfully enjoy a story.
For example: it is objectively incorrect if you said John Wick follows the conventions of a body horror film. The evidence? Quite literally the actions of the characters and subsequently the mise-en-scene which is there to support your consumption of said characters.
But let’s take a much more obvious example instead of comparing Hollywood tent pole films.
The 2011 film Samsara is considered a documentary film. I would argue it is “documentary” in the most basic sense, in that it quite literally documents happenings on earth—from the directors’ point of view obviously.
Their are objective facts about this movie: it is shot on medium lenses which replicate the human eye, it has very saturated color hue, and there are 0 characters.
You can love this film and feel all sorts of things. But you definitely won’t love the main character and how he does XYZ. It doesn’t have this; it is not a story. The director may say something like “it is a story” in the meta sense, but that is interpolation ultimately, and not something he shot from a screenplay for you to enjoy.
I think if you made film and television for a living, you would likely completely change your perspective.
A story absolutely is objectively measurable in a structural sense.
Hey, I'm a bit late to this discussion, but...
When I was in grad school I looked over the literature on discourse analysis. Basically, you get a bunch of people, you show them a text, then you ask them questions about how they perceive the narrative structure of the story. Usually you have a theory based on something like Rhetorical Structure Theory. You do statistics on their responses and measure agreement. You're trying to find out if people will reliably agree on the structure of a text when they read it.
When people are reading certain types of highly-structured texts, people will generally agree on where the boundaries of the various components are. But that's not the case for fiction. It's hard to get people to objectively agree on the structure of a story.
However, you mention other features like number of shots and scene length, and those are very likely to have a high degree of agreement in human observers. It's just important to keep in mind the difference between what we as an individual observer identify, and what a population of human observers identify.
(btw I agree that Fury Road is a killer movie, I totally need to see it again.)
Agreed. I thought the movie was a great addition to the Mad Max films. As others have pointed out, some of the CGI was lacking, but other than that it was extremely enjoyable and well paced.
She was great. The movie was too long, too unfocused, and generally undercooked (bad CG, etc).
Some more time in the editing bay and the VFX shop and I think there would be a solid 9/10 movie there. As it stands, I’d call it a solid 7/10… but it’s 2024, and 7/10 isn’t going to get people into an inconvenient, overpriced, impractical theater.
Interesring read I haven't seen it yet and am a fan of ATJs other work, but it kind of backs up my gut feeling she is an odd choice. Though I think I'm mainly disappointed we didn't get more Theron Furiosa.
I definitely will see it, but don't have a burning desire to go out to see it. In fact talking about it is making me more eager for another of rewatch Fury Road instead. I guess others are thinking similarly.
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