I miss text-based tutorials

When I use the internet to learn, I don't want to have to spend 2 minutes watching an advert, then try to decipher an accent I can barely understand whilst a 15 year old speed runs the task whilst seemingly skipping crucial steps in a video.

I want the steps written down. Maybe with diagrams.

I'm old. Learning is hard enough.

ICastFist ,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

The worst part about video tutorials: you can't CTRL + F, search, specific things. You can't jump straight to your problem. The best you can do is skip to a point where it may be what you actually need to know.

For game walkthroughs, you could just ctrl-f the spot you needed to know about. On a recipe, ctrl-f "boil at" or "bake at" to check the correct temperature and time. On programming, ctrl-f the function name or part of the line you suppose might be where your problem is.

Video? Gotta remember the fucking timestamps. Google doesn't help by pushing youtube at every opportunity and downplaying every small blog, either.

Fades ,

auto-transcripting tech has come a LONG way. I use it all the time for referencing things I've heard in a podcast and want to share or w/e

tombruzzo ,

I'd like to learn the game engine Godot but all the lessons are videos. It's much harder to learn in the livingroom and write code when you're learning from a video

jadedwench ,

Oh. That is where all the useful information is. I have been struggling with it for weeks and finally managed to get something working. Is it done the right way? Who knows! Their documentation is sometimes rather less than helpful. If their website decides to behave. Sometimes it goes a little wonky, though it has been better the last couple weeks.

geneva_convenience ,

Brackeys recently made Godot video tutorials. You have been missing out.

jadedwench ,

I may take a look, but I am doing everything in C#. I have a really hard time paying attention to videos, especially if it is a bunch of content/features/examples where only a small part pertains to what I am doing. I would also have to start and stop constantly to try and take notes and hope the auto caption works. ADHD woes. Hopefully they supply all of the source code and project files.

trashgirlfriend ,

C#

Yeah, all the good resources are for GDScript

ipha ,
@ipha@lemm.ee avatar

Ahh yes, the 15 min video that should have been 3 bullet points.

pivot_root ,

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dactylotheca ,
@dactylotheca@suppo.fi avatar

This is so horrifyingly accurate it gave me a headache

GregorGizeh ,

I really want to vote this down because it is textbook cancer youtube but I have to respect the precise craftsmanship.

eran_morad ,

10/10.

maegul , (edited )
@maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

Like all the other replies ...

  • On one hand ... fuck you, you awful person, why would you put me through that
  • On the other hand ... you are a treasure and a master craftsperson and ought to be celebrated for the mirror you hold up to society

... sometimes ... fucking "modern hustle" youtube ... just come on!

EDIT: just to be clear, this was wonderful and thank you, I’m being mostly facetious here.

reddit_sux ,

Read it faster than seeing it on video at 2.5x

Sotuanduso ,
@Sotuanduso@lemm.ee avatar

Pro tip: When you start a YouTube video and it's seeming like this, push 3. It will skip you to 30% into the video, which is usually right around when the relevant part starts.

Here, going by character count, it puts you halfway through the last sentence of the sponsorship, which isn't bad, though this example is particularly eregious and doesn't start the real instructions until you're about 59% through.

nieceandtows ,

What if all text tutorials became this? Recipe websites are already this way.

Emerald ,

Yeah recipe sites are the worst. I get it if they truly want to share their personal story about the recipe, but I'm sure many just do it for SEO

grrgyle ,
@grrgyle@slrpnk.net avatar

I even hate the sound of the voice my head made up to read this in

nickwitha_k ,

And Discord is not a substitute for documentation.

Reucnalts ,

I am always saying reddit and discord are killing the use of forums and therefore are killing a lot of content that would be accesible and readable for people in the future. Discord is my main problem with that. Back in the days games had their own forums and people would post guides and they could be sticked to the top. But in discord servers so often you just have long ass on going conversations that hardly give you any information. It is nice to have the option to chat and look for groups and the abillity to immediatly join a group voice chat with said people.

A friend send me a link from a reddit post with same topic but it was french and i dont use reddit anymore. But i miss the small communities for games like Dungeon Crawl by Stone Soup, some good old roguelike :)

grrgyle ,
@grrgyle@slrpnk.net avatar

It's like anti-documentation

jjjalljs ,

This has come up a few times and I agree: I vastly prefer text in most cases.

However! I learned that something like half of US adults cannot read at a 6th grade level.

Everyone here, on a heavy text based forum, is probably able to read English. But for a lot of people who probably aren't going to post here, reading can be stressful, frustrating, and embarrassing.

So that sucks. We should probably be investing in education instead of whatever idiocy venture capital is setting on fire this week.

Feathercrown ,

imo education is the single most important investment we can make, and we're failing in spectacular fashion.

JustEnoughDucks ,
@JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl avatar

That is literally the intention of a large group of very rich people, it is going as intended.

adam_y OP , (edited )
@adam_y@lemmy.world avatar

Yes totally, but counter to that there are still an awful lot of places where internet is borderline dialup and access to information is still primarily text based. Furthermore, translating text under these conditions is considerably easy than translating audio.

Investing in education on a global level, as opposed to a US level is a question of access and infrastructure.

LifeInMultipleChoice ,

Making it a video would just decrease the reading levels over time wouldn't it? Also this may sound bad, but there isn't much content out there a 6th grade reading level can't decipher. Instructions aren't about breaking down what meaning they really might have had. I don't need to figure out the underlying meaning of animal farm during "loosen 6 10mm lugnuts" or "enter dsregcmd /status and check the provision status at the bottom.". With each line being discussed I don't need to examine the underlying text. Most everything in life is able to be done at a reading level of 6th grade.

Wish it were higher, but that isn't our biggest failure in education right now in my opinion.

fmstrat ,

I have considered making an app that converts videos to core text and key screenshots.

soggy_kitty ,

Do it

Deway ,

They can't, they have to watch a video tutorial on how to make a software before.

Evotech ,

Can't chatgpt just do that now?

RememberTheApollo_ , (edited )

Preach. A rant I’ve made before. I hate YouTube. I hate having to pause, and rewind trying to catch a view of some lousy camera angle of the thing being done.

Yeah, you can find useful stuff, but 98% of even the useful stuff is i.e. a 15 minute video, which goes like: intro, talk about sponsors, talking about everything else they have on video. Talk about themselves. Talk about what they did last week. Make sure to visibly finger point at everything in frame (fuck, I hate this. It’s the unnecessary “red circle” around the no-shit-Sherlock I know what I’m supposed to be looking at thing). Introduce buddy, point at thing they’re working on. Bullshit with buddy, talk about what buddy does. Talk about thing they’re doing today. Talk about all the different ways to do thing that aren’t relevant to the thing you clicked on the video for. Show all the parts they’re using for thing and where they got them. Now grab camera and quickly do the two or three things needed to fix thing, takes less than 5 minutes, but it would have taken less than 60 seconds had fixer not stopped to bullshit with buddy and, repeat themselves, and point at more shit. Now they step away from the job, bullshit more, sponsors more, their videos more, camera at themselves more.

The main thing I think I despise is that I’m being talked at. And I mean that it isn’t someone teaching and explaining the how-to, why, and things to watch out for, it’s someone who wants their face in frame talking at me about stuff I don’t care about because the video is about them, not the thing I clicked to find the answer about.

Ad space rules, so longer videos = more ad space, makers get paid more for longer videos with ad space, therefore they make longer videos full of garbage to get pushed to the top by the search algorithm.

Gone are the text-posts-as-a-knowledge-service. In have come the videos as a profit for the maker that necessitate forcing the viewer to watch a 15 minute video for a 2 minute fix.

trustnoone ,

I remember downloading game walkthroughs and it came as a downloadable text file. Had sooo much content, awesome ascii art, and you could tell the person made it did so because they enjoyed it and wanted you too

whats_all_this_then ,

Ah, the good old days of GameFAQs

Also back when IGN wasn't a meme

Tower ,

At my first job, I printed out the ~85 page guide for GTA Vice City to have for reference while playing without having to get up and go to the computer.

AnUnusualRelic ,
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

while playing without having to get up and go to the computer

That took me a full minute to understand...

adam_y OP ,
@adam_y@lemmy.world avatar

This was the video that caused me to post:

https://youtu.be/fBqOSENDakY?si=MWNDvT4OIkWsGW6J

Empricorn ,

Yeah, I only made it 37 seconds in. Unless you're live-streaming, edit your tutorials! People wouldn't complain about the time/length of videos as much if they were short and to-the-point. But I guess that would affect ad revenue...

Off-topic: round keys on a keyboard just feel wrong to me, and I wouldn't trust someone who uses them...

adam_y OP ,
@adam_y@lemmy.world avatar

Seconded on round keys.

henfredemars ,

I think there’s something to be said for the difficulty in writing a good tutorial. I remember back in the day, before video game walk-throughs, even the text versions were often difficult to decipher.

I also believe we have way more tutorials than we used to have, but the tools for locating good sources are focused more on making money than serving visitors.

Empricorn ,

"Difficult to decipher"? I honestly don't think I ever encountered this. At worst, text walkthroughs were too verbose, but that was just because they were passionate single-person projects. Can you elaborate, or do you have examples? Keep in mind I'm mostly thinking of GameFAQs-style text walkthroughs.

Emerald ,

Be the change you want to see in the world.

DABDA ,
@DABDA@lemm.ee avatar

Does a low resolution desktop capture of someone slowly and sloppily typing messages for the viewer into notepad count as text-based?

How about a gigantic compressed image of mostly plain text attached to a post that requires an account to download files? Maybe also with a colored/patterned background to make trying to print the monstrosity even more fun.

Or maybe actual embedded text, but served via 300 MB of bloated libraries and fonts and a script that disables right-clicking and text selecting.

Emerald ,

a script that disables right-clicking and text selecting.

I happen to have a script that disables JavaScript. Thanks uBlock Origin for making these idiotic and anti-accessibility sites better.

mrvictory1 ,

Depends on the case. For example for short tutorials that could have been maybe 3 sentences should not be in a video format. However for stuff like jailbreaking a PS3 I would rather use a video tutorial because I will do many things I don't know, one after another. Video will assure me I am doing things correct.

Emerald ,

Or just understand what an action does before you try it on your technology

dactylotheca ,
@dactylotheca@suppo.fi avatar

And the text tutorials that we do get are either padded out with bullshit or written by a fucking LLM

henfredemars ,

I hate that BS so much. Despite the advancements in technology I feel like I can’t find anything anymore unless I know exactly what I’m looking for in advance and from whom.

adam_y OP ,
@adam_y@lemmy.world avatar

I blame cooking blogs for introducing this bloat.

"First let me tell you a little about my relationshio with cinnamon... It all started 40 years ago whilst I was..."

maegul , (edited )
@maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

Abso-fucking-lutely!!

It's another example of how modern tech is has forgotten how to be "humane" (Look up Bret Victor and his philosophies on tech if you're keen on deep diving on this more) ... that is, actually good for humans and not merely the best way to make profit. And so the promise of tech to help and solve problems, given how many resources are being poured into it, is often looking like a failure.

Today ,

I was complaining about this at work recently. I can skim an article in 2 minutes instead of watching a 15 minute video. Half of my co-workers were confused by someone choosing to read. Also, same with podcasts - i didn't need jokes and stupid chit chat - just give me the facts and move on.

maegul ,
@maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

Yep. I’ve reached the point of wanting all information on the internet in Wikipedia format.

Reucnalts ,

I am always saying reddit and discord are killing the use of forums and therefore are killing a lot of content that would be accesible and readable for people in the future. Discord is my main problem with that. Back in the days games had their own forums and people would post guides and they could be sticked to the top. But in discord servers so often you just have long ass on going conversations that hardly give you any information. It is nice to have the option to chat and look for groups and the abillity to immediatly join a group voice chat with said people.

A friend send me a link from a reddit post with same topic but it was french and i dont use reddit anymore. But i miss the small communities for games like Dungeon Crawl by Stone Soup, some good old roguelike :)

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