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taanegl , in Just Stop Oil drew needed attention to climate-threatened Stonehenge
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Uhhh pre-modern architecture is uhhh inherently uhhh socialist and is therefore uhhh classified as terrorists.

Neo-liberals, probably.

MindTraveller ,

Neolitherals

paysrenttobirds , in As California's climate grows ever more hostile, a Joshua tree rescue plan takes shape

This is a great article describing the multipronged, multiagency, do science, make laws, buy land, empower stewards approach necessary to save species in the face of increasingly fast-paced changes to natural spaces. A small sign of hope, but just think how many people are involved and fighting for love of life on this planet.

YourPrivatHater , in As California's climate grows ever more hostile, a Joshua tree rescue plan takes shape
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Maybe cut down all those trees so they dont burn and damage the property of good Americans! -Trump probably...

Like for real, this is just fucked up and knowing that this is a actual argument made by these people is even more insane...

LordGimp , in Biden’s Record Is Full of Climate Wins — So Why Don’t Voters Know It? Environmental groups are making a concerted effort to educate voters about President Joe Biden’s climate policies before election

If Biden so good at environment, then why come ocean so hot?

QED Checkmate nerds we all gon die

silence7 OP Mod ,

Basically: the US isn't the only country in the world, the things he's doing are going to cut emissions in the long run, but only making a modest difference as yet, and CO2 accumulates over time

LordGimp ,

Well the US is one of the biggest importers of things by ship. Are we doing anything about the millions of tons of bunker oil being burned every hour of every day?

No?

Then it isn't good enough. Shipping is stage 1 fix it right now kinda shit and we are doing NOTHING about it

silence7 OP Mod ,
conciselyverbose , in No, Offshore Wind Isn’t What’s Killing Whales

This is the only context they care about whales dying, right?

Like if we just wanted to have our entire navy compete to see who could trophy hunt the most, that would be cool?

Alue42 ,

Precisely. When there was a 10mph speed reduction for commercial vessels recommended in order to protect whales from vessels strikes (the actual cause of the deaths) and Congress had to hear arguments from various sides - suddenly all these people cared about was how much this was going to ruin their industry and they didn't care at all that it was to protect whales.

shalafi , in Just Stop Oil drew needed attention to climate-threatened Stonehenge

You either understand that climate change is real and the world's major threat, or you don't. Who thinks this won hearts and minds? If anything, it turned the fence sitters off.

drkt ,
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If you can look at the state of the world and claim to be a fence-sitter but get knocked off your pole the moment there's a media shitstorm, then you aren't a fence sitter, you are just in denial and looking for an excuse.

Pilgrim , in BP Advert in the Financial Times

You could look at this and see it as pandering, which it is, but I also take it as a decent sign that they have to at least pay lip service to renewables since fossil fuels have become a significant liability in many eyes.

goferking0 , in Biden has taken more action on climate than any president. His pitch? It creates jobs

please ignore sudden tarrifs on EVs, batteries and solar panels as we hope capitalism solves the crisis. We can throw them money and they'll do it like when we did that to have isps expand internet access and infrastructure

goferking0 , in Biden’s Record Is Full of Climate Wins — So Why Don’t Voters Know It? Environmental groups are making a concerted effort to educate voters about President Joe Biden’s climate policies before election

Did I miss something in this article or is there no mention of what the author says Biden is doing well?

silence7 OP Mod ,
goferking0 ,

Which should be in the article instead of just being critical of others.

silence7 OP Mod ,

I absolutely agree.

curiousaur , in Texas’ Extreme Weather Pileups Point to World’s Climate Future | The state is reeling from multiple natural disasters. “Compound events” like these are set to become more common in a a warming world.

I do at least appreciate that Texas and Florida are getting it the worst.

Daxtron2 , in Just Stop Oil drew needed attention to climate-threatened Stonehenge

Almost like that was the point :0

aniki , in Biden has taken more action on climate than any president. His pitch? It creates jobs

So were just supposed to celebrate milquetoast bullshit? Capitalism isn't going to fix shit

Taleya ,

How about you reward any action in the right direction because it ain't fucking happening normally no matter how many grand ideas you hold.

TropicalDingdong , in Biden has taken more action on climate than any president. His pitch? It creates jobs
silence7 OP Mod ,

Decarbonization is a worldwide multi-decade project. It's not something that any one politician or country can do on its own.

blazera , in Biden has taken more action on climate than any president. His pitch? It creates jobs
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Hundreds of billions towards highways is certainly an action on climate

silence7 OP Mod ,

Not every action has been in the right direction, but on balance, the bulk have been.

blazera ,
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The bulk has been money to highways. Nothing else comes close

silence7 OP Mod ,

Yes, a lot of money is spent on things like repairing highways. "Just don't maintain the bridge" isn't a good move.

blazera ,
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Its poison for any effort to curb climate change. The concrete production alone is a major source of greenhouse gases, and its being done to further prioritize the single largest source of emissions in the US, personal vehicles. I cant think of a more effective thing to spend money on if the goal is to accelerate climate change.

silence7 OP Mod ,

Which is why the federal government is trying to buy concrete made in different ways that don't cause those emissions.

It's not at full scale yet, and won't be for some years. but it's how you actually solve that kind of problem without making peoples' lives worse.

blazera ,
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This shit is like clean coal. Its not a thing, concrete production involves releasing the co2 from calcium carbonate, not even mentioning the heating and fuel requirements that go into that process. These highways are going to be built with conventional concrete.

silence7 OP Mod ,

The problem hasn't been "you can't do it" but "architects and engineers don't have enough experience with it to trust it, so they don't use it" — a federal government purchasing program can fix that.

blazera ,
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You literally cant do it, its a chemical reaction that outputs co2. In the same way you cant run a combustion engine without producing co2.

silence7 OP Mod ,

You can use a different chemistry to make a hard substance. There are a ton of options which look good in tests, and pretty much nobody uses them.

blazera ,
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You are reaching far too deep to try and imagine this somehow turning out alright for the climate. The hundreds of billions are budgeted already. Highway construction is happening. Conventional concrete is being used. Truck and SUV sales are increasing to fill the new highways.

silence7 OP Mod ,

Vehicle sales remain below pre-pandemic levels

I don't deny that conventional concrete is still being used at scale. It's something like 1% of US emissions.

someguy3 ,

But but but Biden bad!1!

blazera ,
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Very

someguy3 ,

Said below an article about the good things Biden did. Yup.

blazera ,
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They always say the same thing, some declaration of passing the greatest most stupendous climate legislation of all time. The climate legislation that sold millions of acres of federal land for oil and gas extraction.

someguy3 ,

There is it again: B b b b Biden bad!1!

blazera ,
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You gotta try even harder to say it in a dumb sounding way for it to work

someguy3 ,

Nah it summarizes everything quite well. No matter what's done, all you say is Biden bad.

blazera ,
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Whats amazing is youre the only one thats said it

someguy3 ,

Your rebuttal is that multiple people have to say it to you? Frankly, lol.

blazera ,
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No, youre claiming its all i say. But i havent, only you have.

someguy3 ,

So your rebuttal is an intentional misreading and bad faith argument. Again, lol.

blazera ,
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What are you talking about faith in arguments, coming in here with the classic "this is you sounding stupid!1!"

someguy3 ,

Again that's a (very good) summary of your comment. You even agreed! You said "very" in response.

blazera ,
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Especially the 1's mixed in.

someguy3 ,

That's not a rebuttal at all that it summarizes your comment and that you agreed.

blazera ,
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I agree hes bad. It doesnt summarize anything i said tho.

someguy3 ,

Another intentional misread and bad faith argument!

And yes it does summarize what you said.

Taleya ,

Dudes pushed more progression than obama and done it with a hostile senate. Get your head out of your arse and try looking at reality.

blazera ,
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The reality is that bill mandated the sale of a lot of federal land specifically for oil and gas extraction, and that US oil production continues to increase with no peak in sight.

Vinny_93 , in No, Offshore Wind Isn’t What’s Killing Whales

Tl:dr: it's ships and fishing nets

lnxtx ,
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And Japan.

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