How true does this ring? ( lemmy.world )

Found this one online while browsing for what cats shouldn't eat. However I feel like this area is quite controversial and opinionated. Also feels like half the websites are written by AI and riddled with ads. So if anyone has a good source as to what cats should avoid then let me know.

Anyways, I found this nice illustration, but wanted to hear with you peeps whether you have any experience regarding these food items.

Also what's your take on milk/sour milk for cats? My previous cat loved it so much, and she aged until she was 17 years old, and never seemed to have a problem with it. Also asked the vet at the time and she said it was OK. However every other website I visit tell to never give milk(dairy) to cats. So which is it? Does it just depend on the cat?

LANIK2000 ,

Lol, our cat gets lots of random raw meat, yogurt, ice cream or really any leftovers, which often enough includes onions in the sauce, anything she doesn't refuse to eat outright and she's still surprisingly healthy at 15 years old.

IamSparticles ,

I think the main danger with raw meat is harmful bacteria (salmonela, listeria, e coli, etc). Basically the same things that make people sick if they're present and we don't cook the meat properly. They aren't always present, but it's kind of a gamble to keep feeding a cat raw meat.

freeindv ,

Yeah I'll definitely keep that in mind as something to watch out for in what my cat eats. You know, once he finally gets done eating 1,000 mice and comes inside for some extra food...

IamSparticles ,

You do you. But just so you know, cats that are allowed to free range outside have a life expectancy, on average, about 1/3rd that of an indoor-only cat. Killing and eating wildlife is one of the reasons.

DrMango ,

But how do animals without homes learn to cook their meat?

HelixDab2 ,

People that have been found in peat bogs are almost always heavily infested with intestinal parasites, and fecal material found at archeological sites show significant signs of parasitic infections as well, because even once we cooked food we often didn't have acceptable food safety (or, y'know, refrigeration). Truth is that cats in the wild just constantly have tons of parasites and get sick a lot, and sometimes die from it.

M500 ,

Yeah don’t give them raw chicken because cats that kill chickens in the wild will always cook them first.

sharkfucker420 ,
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It's bc of how our meat is processed/what bacteria may be one it. Cats are not immune to salmonella nor most other foodborne pathogens.

Carighan ,
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Yeah, but that's not a chicken-specific thing. The actual infographic is utter horseshit, of course. Especially with recommending so many greens, as if cats can do more with that than pass them unprocessed and then demand more food as they expelled non-trivial amounts of energy on it.

FooBarrington ,

It kind of is. You know how it's fine to eat a rare steak, but not rare chicken? It's because of higher contamination levels.

sharkfucker420 ,
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oh yeah fs, the infographic sucks ass but i thought id chime in on specifically why chicken sucks

cactusupyourbutt ,

yeah. until it eats the wrong chicken, gets sick and dies.

some stuff is fine until it isnt.

lvxferre ,
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Animals in the wild die of food poisoning all the time; that doesn't mean that we should have our pets doing the same. It's a bit like playing Russian roulette, the risk is better than outright starving, but it isn't riskless.

Also, I'm not sure but I think that battery farming increases the proliferation of salmonella.

GluWu ,

Don't let your cat eat lithium

lvxferre ,
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My cat is bipolar, OK? Her vet prescribed lithium and she's getting it! Otherwise she becomes like the feline equivalent of that squirrel from Over The Edge.

FiniteBanjo ,

https://lemmy.today/pictrs/image/897ad3bd-085e-4220-bae9-a91d10f34894.jpeg

M500 ,

I stand here defeated. You my sir are the true king 🙇‍♂️

scarabic ,

Fresh kill is a far cry from raw meat days after butchering which is only deemed safe on the condition that it gets cooked.

HelixDab2 ,

Grapes are toxic to cats (and dogs). Onions and garlic are both toxic, and will absolutely kill your cats. Ice cream usually has small amounts of antifreeze in it; it's safe enough for humans, but not safe for cats. Raw chicken with bones can be given to cats if it is finely ground so that there aren't any bone shards or fragments. You can get frozen turkey and chicken chicks from raw food suppliers, and those are safe enough for cats to eat because the bones are mostly too small to harm them. (Raw food is not suggested for most cats; it's hard to get it balanced so that they aren't malnourished in some way. A very, very few cats will do better on a raw food diet if they have something like IBS.) Lots of common house plants can be deadly to cats too. One I know off the top of my head is everything in the lily family.

SendMePhotos ,

ice cream usually has small amounts of antifreeze in it

Weird. I read a bit about it and it seems true. It's not technically antifreeze but also is technically antifreeze. When I think of antifreeze I think of the orange or green liquid in cars. This liquid is clear and also in many vaporizors (ecigs and carts).

HelixDab2 ,

It's because otherwise your ice cream will freeze as hard as a rock. If you make your own, you probably won't use any.

You could probably make your own ice cream that was perfectly safe for cats and dogs. I think that goat milk is better for cats? You certainly couldn't use any artificial sweeteners though; real cane sugar or honey only.

Kolanaki ,
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Why can't they have raw chicken assuming it's been deboned? They would naturally eat chickens in the wild and I pretty sure they're not cooking it first. I've given my cats scraps of raw chicken (along with other meats) my whole life and it was never an issue.

cryostars ,

I love the "pretty sure" here

Kolanaki ,
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Always hedge your bets. This is the Internet. You might say something like "cats don't cook food" and then someone will come along and reply with a picture of a cat grilling a hot dog.

milicent_bystandr ,

Why even deboned? Dogs will crunch the whole thing and a cooked chicken bone can splinter (I heard even bird bones raw are okay) but won't a cat pick the meat off?

Nurgle ,

I think the concern is pathogens from the meat.

alienanimals ,

Sure - AN ENTIRE FUCKING TURKEY

FiniteBanjo ,

I'd argue grapes are worse than onions and garlic.

Harbinger01173430 ,

Meanwhile, the cats in my neighborhood: b
Pigeons? Food! Rats? Food!

Blessed be those vermin exterminators.

Viking_Hippie ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/d064ae31-299c-40ad-83b3-7c17e477dca6.jpeg

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/400b9d21-aab7-4550-8d02-d79239d9c6d7.jpeg

moody ,

That man has been on the right side of every issue forever.

Asafum ,

He really has been! I know the comment is based on a joke, but when I learned who Bernie Sanders was when he was running for president I had a "oh shit it's that guy!" moment.

Pretty much any documentary I had watched about any random topic where there was a segment about US government involvement he was always on the right side of whatever was being discussed.

Rhynoplaz ,

Just imagine what the world would be like if he had won the primary instead of Hillary.

Nope, wait, don't do it. I just tried and it makes the real world even MORE depressing.

okamiueru , (edited )

It's when I gave up on US politics. If only it was such that Hillary won... and not that DNC actively conspired to make that happen.

As messed up and anti-democratic so many things are in the US leading to "pick one of two things". The whole system is fundamentally broken when the selection of those two things is corrupt.

But... when a person I wouldn't trust to be mentally suited to pack a bag of groceries* or park a car*, is elected president, and gets to pick several supreme court justices... The world isn't laughing at the US. They were laughing at the thought of Trump being in he primaries. They're deeply concern that a complete fuckwit ended up in charge, and what that might lead to.

Democracy (i.e. the system of governance) requires informed voters. GOP (the political party) requires uninformed voters.

The only way you can vote Republican or think that the orange baboon can be entrusted with anything more important than throw feces, is one of two thing (or both): 1) you are an idiot / uninformed 2) you are morally corrupt

*: this isn't a put down directed at people who do these things, but that it requires some mental function in order to not crash the car, or steal some groceries... and I would be equally comfortable with Trump in that regard, as with a 6 year old. Which is to say: not at all. Which puts in perspective what I think of him being president.

Custoslibera ,

Fuck the DNC.

HelixDab2 ,

Honestly, it probably wouldn't have made a difference. The 'Bernie Bros' that voted for Trump were largely a myth, not really enough to swing the election, and he's far enough left (as far as American politics go) that it probably would have ended up with Trump winning more votes from Dems that claims to be centrists.

Aside from that, he's far enough to the left of most Dems that he probably wouldn't have been able to get the Speaker to introduce any legislation he favored, so it would have been the same kind of compromise bullshit that Dems always fall for.

Now, Gore? If SCOTUS had let the count proceed instead of calling it for Bush prematurely? Yeah, the world would be a very, very different place.

watersnipje ,

But salami contains garlic, doesn’t it?

angrystego ,

There are different kinds of salami.

watersnipje ,

Ah, I didn’t know that. Where I live, they kind of always do (or did, when I was a child and still ate meat) but Wikipedia days the Italian salami typically doesn’t have it.

angrystego ,

That shows the limits of this picture.

Nacktmull ,
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Salami is not healthy for cats.

skyspydude1 ,

Sure, but they can still have a little, as a treat

Viking_Hippie ,

Exactly!

TastyWheat ,

Here's one for dogs just in case.

LunchEnjoyer OP ,

Now that gave me a good chuckle 😁

havokdj ,

THE SAND

TastyWheat ,

ALL THE SAND.

(it is definitely too sand)

Treczoks ,

Just out of curiosity: What is the issue with the avocados?

Drewelite ,

I assume it is fat density. Imagine if a human ate an avocado the size of their head. That'd be way too much fat, saturated or not. Probably ok in very small slices. But you know, consult your vet.

Alexstarfire ,

You're gonna be shocked to learn that the pics don't represent portion size. Unless you think a cat could actually eat an entire pineapple.

Drewelite ,

Lol I mean that it's easy to give them too much. Not that it's necessarily a whole avocado

xkforce ,

Avocadoes contain a compound called persin that is poisonous to them.

Treczoks ,

Thanks! TIL!

evranch ,

As a barn cat owner, everything on that list goes down the cats. They are my cleanup crew. Especially chicken bones as I don't trust the dogs with them.

No cat has ever choked on bones or become sick from eating scraps. If there are things like onions, they just don't eat them. In fact none of my cats have ever died of anything other than being eaten by coyotes or run over by trucks 😥

ConstantPain ,

What about my cables, flip-flops and my backpack? Scratches seems to love eating these.

echodot ,

It appears to be missing the major food groups of random house plants, spiders, and fluff

johannesvanderwhales ,

My cat goes nuts for spider plant leaves. He must eat them every time he sees them.

I have never once not seen him throw up after eating them. But he must always eat them.

Timecircleline ,

I grow a "snackrificial" spider plant (well, 2 of them actually) so that my other plants are left alone. I swap them in/out of cat reach depending on when one needs a break from the chomping.

cordlesslamp ,

what do you mean by tuna is occasional, but rice and corn are sure? Cats can't digest rice and corn, wtf?

Also raw chicken is never? Maybe in the USA only. We in other parts of the world vaccinate our chickens.

MyNamesNotRobert ,

Dog food? Dogs like cat food. Are they not interchangeable? I haven't ever seen a cat eat dog food now that I think about it.

addie ,
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Cat food is enriched with the amino acid taurine, which they can't produce themselves. Dog food is not. Feeding cats exclusively on dog food will kill them eventually, via blindness and heart disease.

Not a disaster if they steal it from the dog once or twice, but it cannot be their long-term diet.

Pipoca ,

Yeah, it doesn't really belong in the 'no' column. It's not an appropriate cat food because it's not nutritionally complete.

So it's rather like how just eating bread or cornmeal that don't have added vitamins will give you scurvy or pellagra. But obviously they're not poisonous or anything and most of the world eats them without a problem.

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