Lauchs ,

Capitalism. For all the awfulness goodness gracious, quality of life has skyrocketed as we've figured it out. Parents almost never bury their children anymore, disabled folks who aren't royalty have better lives than almost ever before, if you break a bone you can get it taken care of rather than have it heal poorly and cause pain for the rest of your life, almost no one gets literally crucified and most have access to clean drinking water _in their house!!!_

Yeah, we maybe don't have it as good as our parents generation but goddamn we have it so much better than their parents and grandparents etc.

(I'd argue climate change is more a political problem than capitalism. A sane society would've put a carbon tax in place decades ago and let the free market sort it out. But we get into stupid political fights and the youth, who are most affected, don't vote in primaries when it really matters.)

kinsnik ,

Literally all the benefits you mention are benefits of advancing science. All of those would still exist if there had been a global communist revolution in 1917…

AlexisFR ,
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Because the Soviets were so well known for their social and technological innovations, right?

Melonpoly ,

Since we've "figured it out," we've made sure that most people don't have access to basic services unless they spend huge amounts of money and that the planet is in a state of disaster.

(How is this not a capitalist problem?Having the government imposed a carbon tax goes against the idea of a free market. Most of the politicians in power are capitalists.)

Lauchs ,

What services do you think people had for free earlier?

And you misunderstanding how capitalism works doesn't mean a carbon tax is against a free market any more than rules againat pouring nuclear waste into rivers goes against a free market. A free market had all sorts of rules to protect us from the excesses of capitalism, that's literally the entire point of anti-trust law, because the correct capitalist move for a company is to become a monopoly, which would be bad for consumers. Thus, we tame the excesses of capitalism.

shalafi ,

Give it up OP, you won't find an audience here. Just angry kids bitching about capitalism on their devices, made by capitalist economies. LOL, want to piss off some of these tankies? Point out that China was a struggling, failing mess until they allowed capitalism into their economy. China is poised to become the 21st century America.

FWIW, I'm with you. Capitalism is the best economic system yet, but it needs guardrails. In America we've stripped those out. Anti-trust law isn't a thing any longer.

_cnt0 ,
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Nothing of that is thanks to capitalism. All of it is despite capitalism.

Lauchs ,

What? Wait... So when parents were burying most of their children back in the day and now don't, that is somehow despite capitalism giving us the goods, services, hospitals, nurses, doctors, ample nutritional supplements etc?

TokenBoomer ,

Hmmm…

Life expectancy in the U.S. has dropped sharply in the last two years, to the point that now the average Cuban will live nearly three years more than the average American.

Anticorp ,

Is any of that due to covid deaths?

TokenBoomer ,

Covid couldn’t swim to Cuba.

Anticorp ,

Covid was a global pandemic, but the USA was hit particularly hard by it due to a number of issues, most of them preventable.

TokenBoomer ,

Seems to be people dying before age 50

"Two years difference in life expectancy probably comes from the fact that firearms are so available in the United States," Crimmins says. "There's the opioid epidemic, which is clearly ours – that was our drug companies and other countries didn't have that because those drugs were more controlled. Some of the difference comes from the fact that we are more likely to drive more miles. We have more cars," and ultimately, more fatal crashes.

oneeyestrengthens ,

This post is completely absurd. All of these things have happened in spite of capitalism and they've developed simultaneously in non-capitalist states. We (mostly) have access to clean drinking water because of environmental activism that forced companies to stop dumping industrial waste in bodies of water. We have access to healthcare because activists maneuvered politically to ensure it became a right, not a privilege. That's to say nothing of developing capitalist countries that offer none of these privileges to their people. Capitalism didn't give us these things. If you spend any amount of time reading about the history of labor or the development of regulatory bodies, capital has hindered social progress wherever possible to avoid any restrictions or taxation. These things were demanded and fought for by the people they were affecting. Industry and finance are owed none of the credit.

neidu2 ,

Harambe. His death is what caused this timeline to branch off from the correct one.

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