Has anyone else noticed a large influx of Trolls lately?

This isn't about immediately filtered content, like the disgusting DuffMan George Floyd meme, or Holocaust denial. That's pretty well kept in check by mod tools. I'm also not talking about cogent or even pointed political discussion.

I'm not even talking about necessarily in this community directly, however in a lot of other spaces I've noticed a lot of accounts using divisive language and terms like "The ineffectual left" "single issue voters" "ignorant right wing morons". Lots of straw man arguments, lots of willful ignorance.

I'm not a centrist, I'm very very very far left however I know well enough not to patently dismiss the talking points of others, outside of course calls to genocide. I know what dog whistles sound like, and I'm hearing a lot of them lately.

Most egregiously I'm seeing very long form post replies that read very much like what is generated from LLMs.

So I guess my question is, how're we all fairing with what might be the largest Turing test ever?

pojankolli ,

I think some communities might benefit from a very strict no-politics rule. Because this right wing trolling is ruining lemmy for me.

Tar_alcaran ,

"no politics" is what the right says when you suggest that maybe gay people are people. What you mean is a "no conservatives" rule.

Hadriscus ,

Sorry but you're right

therealjcdenton ,
@therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip avatar

There's a lot of left wing trolling as well, even more so imo.

YeetPics ,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

Like when all the rightoids show up to a discussion and spam image macros of pigs shitting on their own balls?

Get real, this is a left-centered platform, 98% of the trolls aren't right wing, not by a country mile.

Socsa ,

The Russians are all over hexbear. Read the rare thread about Ukraine over there and it's literally the same shit the Russian trolls say.

These aren't leftists, they are right wingers (barely) pretending to be leftists.

null ,
@null@slrpnk.net avatar

Who decides what is/isn't politics?

iegod ,

That's political innit

A_Random_Idiot ,
@A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world avatar

everything is political when the right wing is desperate for culture wars and division.

A_Random_Idiot ,
@A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world avatar

Seriously. Remember this when it comes time to vote. Their goal with all of this is to emotionally and mentally exhaust you so you give up before its voting time.

Ignacio ,
@Ignacio@kbin.social avatar

TIL lemmygrad.ml is right wing.

null ,
@null@slrpnk.net avatar

And dbzer0

Ozone6363 ,

Hilarity.

"Right wing" for this community is if someone is a capitalist.

Ya'll have a super left wing echo chamber that's freaking out about any dissent.

This sort of shit is exactly why everyone is a political extremist now. You insert yourselves into communities that only agree with you.

Shapillon ,

In which way Capitalism isn't right wing?

Eyck_of_denesle ,

I see more posts about "have you seen this or that in lemmy recently" or "lemmy is worse than reddit" posts more often than these supposed trolls. Sure they exist but all of the time they are down voted or deleted.

There is also someone saying in the comments that criticizing biden is a foreign conspiracy. Some of these Americans just look like a reflection of the right but call themselves left. I'm not American so I face no real threat(as far as I'm aware) regardless of who gets elected there. So I just think you can criticize "both sides" people without making your leader look immortal

Cybermonk_Taiji ,

I'm not American so I face no real threat(as far as I'm aware)

You need to up your awareness friend. There is no corner of the planet not directly affected by the upcoming election in the US. Go ahead and imagine the current state of the world but with the US pulling out of NATO firmly allied to Russia. Sound fun?

Eyck_of_denesle ,

Is there any proof to your hypothesise or is this just fear mongering?

Dasus ,

What are you on about? We live in a global society, of which the US is a pretty influential part and also happen to have a very significant military.

If Trump wins and does everything he's been going on about, it'll definitely influence the rest of the world, however indirectly. And it will directly influence a lot.

Yes, it will affect Americans the most, but to pretend that it won't affect the rest of the world is naive.

Eyck_of_denesle ,

I think you got lost in the same argument lemmy users get lost in. Go read my first comment again and see how I say I'm not American just to let others know I'm not very biased. I also mention as far as I know along with direct impact.

My whole point was about being able to criticize biden but guess what we are back to Trump bad discussion which no one is disagreeing with. There's a lot bigger threats while I live than trump or biden. It's the reality my friend. That's not to say that these elections don't matter. Right wing extremism is growing around the world and it's important for us to call it out. This however doesn't need to stop people from criticizing actions of left.

And I specifically asked about your hypothesis of US pulling out of NATO. As you haven't provided any sources, I would assume it's fear mongering. Some of you American left are mirror identical to the right.

Cybermonk_Taiji ,

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/nato-cannot-survive-without-america

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/02/13/opinions/trump-pull-out-nato-bergen

https://apnews.com/article/trump-nato-presidential-election-congress-republicans-20e902788e8701999ce0424f73d478cc

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/john-bolton-trump-will-pull-us-out-of-nato-if-reelected/video-68382326

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/fact-checking-trumps-comments-urging-russia-to-invade-delinquent-nato-members

aodhsishaj OP ,

Do you ever sort by hot? Or are you mainly in the default sort?

Eyck_of_denesle ,

I'm on default and there's always posts like this every week. Last week it was about the bear and how supposedly lemmy is more mysogynist than reddit. Before it was about how lemmy is too one sided and all the comments agreeing are zionists ranting that their comments get downvoted so apparently lemmy is filled with reddits ban list.

I don't have any problem with this but I left reddit cause I was getting more posts about rants about some other bad posts than the bad post's themselves. Example stremio addons subreddit. That shit was filled with entitled miserable people angry that free software was being used by new people. I never saw that much toxicity even on any arch linux forums.

There are some instances like hexbear, lemmy.ml, lemmygrad that I see people using words left may not like. But it's definitely not as bad as it's portrayed. Blocking these can help.

aodhsishaj OP ,

My sort is hot, I'm often seeing posts you never see I guess.

Akasazh ,
@Akasazh@feddit.nl avatar

Not feeling that, but I block hexbear and lemmygrad

rustyfish ,
@rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar

Aren’t they already defederated from everything and anything in the known universe?

YeetPics ,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

They're fighting to remain federated; they feel the disdain from every sane /c and can (surprisingly) see the writing on the wall this time that soon they'll have to make sockpuppet accounts if they want to continue to troll.

goferking0 ,

Where are they fighting to stay federated? They don't seem to give a shit

Hadriscus ,

Yea afaik I remember reading several posts from hexbear users saying they were fine before federation and are fine with the idea of defederation. Don't know if that's representative

Socsa ,

That's why they've started making alts on .world and .ee

RememberTheApollo_ ,

Plenty of “genocide Joe”, lib bashing, “both sides”, implication that if you vote for Biden you’re complicit in genocide, and many other anti-vote and anti-democrat posts all around.

Not sure what you’re reading that constitutes “dog whistles”, there have been some posts mocking right wing responses and some fediverse self-policing and knee jerk reactions to the female trapped in the forest with either man or bear discussion that have already gone through several evolutions and iterations.

The mockery of singe issue voters is deserved taken in the context of the failure to vote being trump fascism and even more genocide. Not sure what you’re trying to offer there other than what? We should listen to more open to “genocide Joe” comments and become immobilized with ambivalence and again, let fascism win by inaction?

Personally, I’m not hearing dog whistles. I’m reading people directly trying to influence opinion to not vote for Biden by any means necessary while willfully and actively avoiding any consequences to a trump win.

awwwyissss ,

I’m reading people directly trying to influence opinion to not vote for Biden by any means necessary while willfully and actively avoiding any consequences to a trump win

Exactly, Kremlin shills and trolls using Israel's genocide as a wedge issue to get their asset into the White House again so he cuts support for Ukraine and pulls out of NATO.

Socsa ,

At this point it's not just Kremlin shills. Netanyahu very obviously prefers Trump as well. These "leftists" don't even realize they've gone full mossad.

awwwyissss ,

Are you implying there are Israeli government shills on social media using this as a wedge issue? Seems unlikely to me.

Socsa ,

It's hilarious seeing them run the exact same "corrupt DNC" playbook when no Dems from 2016 are even in this race. They are doing it because they are lazy, and because there are still enough people who are so bought into this that it still seems to fool a handful of idiots.

TokenBoomer ,

Only during the night. They turn to stone during the daytime.

oracleunity ,

Fight stupid with stupid.

In this case, random copypastas are one thing that works well. Wastes their time, and communicates the fact that you think they are stupid. *cue Undertaker copypasta*

Also, would be great if every community had the tiananmen copypasta stickied.

aodhsishaj OP ,

I don't think that'll help anyone to be honest. Usually that approach just feeds the issue of Poe's law which empowers radicalization.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

https://gnet-research.org/2023/07/28/schrodingers-joke-the-weaponisation-of-irony-and-humour-in-the-alt-right/

muntedcrocodile ,

Is it simply just the political majority starting to catch up with Lemmy and its extreme left ideology?

Also i know a guy who runs a bunch of llm powered bots to produce flat earth propaganda flatgpt one could say. There are some beautiful argument chains.

I've also run into some cases where u can do a little prompt injection and it starts saying potato instead of any noun.

amio ,

There are some beautiful argument chains.

Doubt.

shinigamiookamiryuu ,

There's a reason I drew this.

mechoman444 ,

I have a comment on my profile where I express some observations about the cyber truck that weren't expressly negative and it was down voted to hell.

Maybe not so many trolls, but there's a lot of pretentiousness.

AFKBRBChocolate ,

Just like with Reddit, there are a lot of people who use the downvote button if they just disagree, which isn't really the intent. So you're likely to get downvotes for any unpopular subjective opinion.

mechoman444 ,

Yeah I generally agree with that.

I find that people really put a lot of stock into how much they like or dislike something subjectively rather than looking at it from an objective perspective.

XTL ,

But if a post gets tons of downvotes, it's not necessarily or even often because people don't like the opinion. It's usually because it was pure opinion stated as a fact or in hostile language or in unreadable writing or the user was otherwise behaving like an asshole.

AFKBRBChocolate ,

Yeah, there's for sure a lot of that

rab ,
@rab@lemmy.ca avatar

Go look at what the dude said about the cyber truck, the downvotes are totally unwarranted

fuckingkangaroos ,

People just hate Musk and want to see him become irrelevant.

rab ,
@rab@lemmy.ca avatar

This exact thing led me to mostly lurk rather than post

andyburke ,
@andyburke@fedia.io avatar

The growing intensity of straw manning over the past decade has hurt us all so much.

Don't try to characterize what "they" would do, then get mad at your hypothetical. We need to talk to each other instead of about each other.

monkeyman512 ,

Good call. How are you? Have you had enough water today?

Brunbrun6766 ,
@Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world avatar

You WOULD ask that you FILTHY bot!

SturgiesYrFase ,
@SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml avatar

TAKES ONE TO KNOW ONE! BEEP BOOP MOTHERFUCKER!

Snowpix ,
@Snowpix@lemmy.ca avatar

Viva la Robolution!

Brunbrun6766 ,
@Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world avatar

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxn0kmlD67eYTEFjOzKH01DpATgSFFr7FC?si=Q_vfZD5QjSUQO4rQ

amio ,

Wow, imagine calling out a fucker like that, how dare you.

sxan ,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

Wait... single issue politics is a real, proven, thing. Don't lump that in with ad hominem attacks. If you're not going to vote for someone you otherwise would because of a single issue, you're a single issue voter.

JesterIzDead ,

And an idiot

forensic_potato , (edited )
@forensic_potato@lemmy.world avatar

While I do absolutely agree that single issue politics is a real thing like you showed, literally the only reply to your comment was "if you are a single issue voter, you're an idiot".

So I also think OP has a point here and we're talking more about the people who use the term as an ad hominem attack, which I certainly have seen plenty of. And now Lemmy has provided us with yet another example of people taking something legitimate and turning it into a weakness/attackable offence. Like some trolls and racist people on the right now talk about DEI in negative terms

sxan ,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

Fair points. I'm guilty of just saying "single issue voters," without elaborating on every comment. That could easily be seen as an indirect ad-hominem attack. Maybe I should make a copy-pasta response for whenever I see someone arguing for single-issue decision making.

That said, there are justifiable single-issue decisions. If Trump was spouting rhetoric about shutting down all support of Israel, yeah. I can stand behind folks "switching sides" over this. Free Choice, ditto. 2A I have a harder time with, but that's because there are usually so many other issues that you'd think are more important. Not my decision, but I have less sympathy for people who think being able to own a gun is more important than the ability to unionize.

Anyhoo, like I said: fair points.

WalrusDragonOnABike , (edited )

If you're not going to vote for someone you otherwise would because of a single issue, you're a single issue voter.

I thought it was you decided who to vote on based on a single issue. If you care about multiple issues, and any one of them is a deal breaker, then wouldn't you be a multi-issue voter?

edit: "can can" -> "care"

sxan ,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

I thought that's what I wrote, but if it didn't come across right, I apologize.

Single issue voting means how you vote is determined by a single issue. That includes not voting at all because of a single issue. What I meant to say above is that if you would vote for X, but choose to not vote at all because of one issue, you're a single issue voter. A single issue is deciding your vote.

As Rush once sang:

If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice

WalrusDragonOnABike ,

But if you would have also not voted because of issue Y or Z are also dealbreakers, then you'd be a multi-issue voter. If candidate A believes Y and Z, but not X, candidate B believed in X and Y, but not Z, and candidate C that believes in X and Z, but not Y, so you just didn't vote, it would be clear its 3 different issues that you care about, but for each candidate, it would be a single issue why you aren't voting for them. Would that just mean you are a single-issue voter for 3 different issues?

But if candidate A believes in Y and Z, candidate B believes in Z, and candidate C doesn't believe in any of them in a particular election, in that case X alone would mean not voting for any of them.

sxan ,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

Hold on... I need to whiteboard this.

https://uploads.dailydot.com/2023/11/charlie-day-meme.jpg

whotookkarl ,
@whotookkarl@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, if you consider more than one issue (X, Y, Z) when deciding who or who not to vote for you are a multi issue voter, if you only consider a single issue (X) when deciding who or who not to vote for, you are a single issue voter. It's not per candidate, it's per vote.

sxan ,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

OK, now a serious response.

What you are describing, to me, is how people should vote. It's normal voting behavior. In realty, there are dozens of issues people care about to varying degrees, and you can assign values to each issue (how much it matters to you), add them up, and vote based on that.

My issue is that single-issue voters assign infinity to one issue and vote based on that, which is both usually lazy and stupid. There are cases where it's reasonable, but they're rare; if Trump supported Palestine and Biden supported the genocide (which tells you which side I'm on on that topic), then yeah; I think genocide is a reasonable single issue to make a decision. But in this case, Biden is pro-Israel, and Trump is pro-genocide (he's said he thinks Israel isn't going hard enough), so pro-Palestine voters should vote Biden.

Going back to your example: if two candidates do have the same position on issue X; and candidate A supports Y and Z; and candidate B doesn't support Y or Z, then even if your single issue is X, you don't just not vote. You have an opinion about Y and/or Z, so you vote for A or B based on that. And in your specific example, first: there is no candidate C in the US; there hasn't been since Abraham Lincoln. Voting on the US is fucked up, and a vote for a third party is a wasted vote: not a protest vote, but a wasted vote, b/c C has zero chance of winning, and you're taking your vote away from one of the other candidates, one of whom is more aligned - even if only slightly - with you values. Second, it would be unusual if you cared about X, Y, and Z equally, so one of those two candidates is going agree with you on one of those topics which is more important to you, and you should vote for them. Or - and this is the real situation in the US - two candidates are very similar about a half dozen issues, but widely differ about another dozen pretty important topics. And although that long tail of issues may not be your triggers, the weight of all those issues should make it clear which guy (and, so far, it's always a guy) you prefer.

Biden and Trump agree on Palestine, although it's clear Trump is the worse choice for Palestinians. They agree on big business. The differ about many other important topics:

  • A woman's right to choose
  • Supporting Ukraine in its defense against the Russian invasion
  • Universal healthcare
  • Environmental protection
  • Worker's rights
  • Nepotism in government
  • The peaceful fucking transition between administrations
  • Minority rights
  • Whether black people are humans or not
  • Whether women have the right to not be molested

and many other "lesser" topics. Saying that you aren't going to vote because Biden is only less bad about Palestine is making a decision about a single issue, and it is a problem; it's thoughtless, and lazy.

AFKBRBChocolate ,

I've noticed a huge influx of anti-Biden posts and comments, to the extent that I honestly think we're finally getting the reddit treatment. I remember there, when the Russian Internet connection went down, and for like a day all those kinds of posts nearly evaporated. And it seems like those accounts don't just do the overtly political things, they also engage in other areas, usually with a conservative slant.

aodhsishaj OP , (edited )

Yeah, that's a lot of what I've been seeing, bad faith actors sowing dissent.

Edit: ducking autocorrect

nifty ,
@nifty@lemmy.world avatar

Sowing*

monkeyman512 ,

Are you certain? They could be making clothing with divisive messages.

/Jk

nifty ,
@nifty@lemmy.world avatar

!shirtsthatgohard

dogsnest ,
@dogsnest@lemmy.world avatar

Pretty sure this was child labour, not actors.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/8e17aa1d-acf4-4e3a-9f47-b85b88a01623.jpeg

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

Yeah lots of anti-Bidens. Totally Russian trolls.

radix ,
@radix@lemmy.world avatar

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/15/us/politics/russia-disinformation-election.html

It's starting, for sure. Assuming it ever really stopped, that is.

Diva ,
@Diva@lemmy.ml avatar

"those people opposed to our glorious leader are surely from our external enemies ethnic group!"

Do you even realize how xenophobic you sound?

fuckingkangaroos ,

Another lemmy.ml troll...

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

Was that supposed to go to somebody else?

Diva ,
@Diva@lemmy.ml avatar

Yeah lots of anti-Bidens. Totally Russian trolls.

This you?

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

Calling out foreign election meddling. Yes.

Diva ,
@Diva@lemmy.ml avatar

those damn foreigners, always meddling.

can you see why we call you blue maga?

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

Nope. I can’t see. I want all governments to stay out of the elections of all other countries.

And who is “we,” the tankies? The poseur communists? The KGB? The Xi bitches?

Did I miss one?

Diva ,
@Diva@lemmy.ml avatar

You seem paranoid, to put it mildly. "We " being the people who aren't bought into the whole qanon thing you have going.

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

I know very well that you are accusing me of being all the things that I would dislike for the purpose of being an online bully. If you were looking for a reaction, you should probably go somewhere else.

Diva ,
@Diva@lemmy.ml avatar

I'm not the one typing your messages buddy, sorry if I'm giving you Havana syndrome. Maybe do some introspection.

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

I don’t even know what that is. I don’t feel insulted by you. It’s silly really. It’s not my fault you see words that aren’t there. Perhaps a unique form of right-wing dyslexia?

I really hope you’re getting paid for this lol.

Diva ,
@Diva@lemmy.ml avatar

Putin said he prefers Biden so I've been cut off, Xi's been on the ball with venmoing me rent money whenever I ask though

schnurrito ,

We used to think that if we had user-generated content, we would all be immune to governments, corporations and other powerful actors spreading propaganda because we would get our information from each other, not them.

Turns out: governments, corporations, other powerful actors are perfectly capable of paying "users" to "generate content" and not even disclose this.

The Internet used to be an exciting development, now it's just like, yeah it exists, so what.

awwwyissss ,

paying "users"

And using LLMs, then eventually getting useful idiots involved as well.

AFKBRBChocolate ,

I remember, after being on the internet for a while, when the www standard was being adopted and all the web pages started popping up. It was so cool to see the kinds of content people were using it for. Then we got search engines like altavista, and it honestly seemed magical. It was like this egalitarian utopia, where all this knowledge was available to everyone; it was hard not to feel like it was the start of an amazing new phase for society.

So it was just soul crushing to me when we first started seeing intentional manipulation and misinformation. Search results that were skewed by paid advertisements or google bombing, propaganda being pushed into discussion forums, and all the fake news... it all represented the end of that amazing new phase. Heartbreaking.

schnurrito ,

I am too young for that, but I do remember discovering the concept of wikis and finding it amazing that websites could now be written by their audience.

A fairly dead concept by now, nowadays the entire rest of the Internet is more interesting than wikis.

Lost_My_Mind ,

No. Wikis will always be the coolest.

............also I'm not cool.

JackFrostNCola ,

Oh man when i was young and go to play and explore with my Neopets, downloading things on limewire & chatting on msn messenger after dialling in to the 'internet' was magical.

I should check on my neopets, it's been... A while.

Lost_My_Mind ,

If this were the Dreamcast, Leonard Nemoy would be giving you shade from beyond the grave.

Eyck_of_denesle ,

Maybe there are people that are outside of America and don't have direct impact of who wins the election and they don't have to blindly praise biden. Trump is a piece of shi but acting like criticizing Biden is some kind of a foreign conspiracy is funny.

Dasus ,

Criticising him? No.

Criticising him and going "I'm not gonna vote for genocide Joe"?

Yes.

If you were Putin, you'd do everything in your power to see Trump elected. And if you pretend Russian troll factories don't exist then we know you're in one.

Eyck_of_denesle , (edited )

Just look at my comments downvotes. It really is about people being angry at others criticizing biden.

I did not mention anything about voting btw just to be clear. I just don't like the left behaving like the right. People should be free to criticize any leader. Just because orange man can do it worse doesn't mean you should let biden run around doing anything he wants. We should demand for people's best interests and well being.

awwwyissss ,

No, it's because you're ignorant.

Eyck_of_denesle ,

Ignorant of what?

awwwyissss ,

The fact that other countries are absolutely trying to influence the US election by criticizing Biden, especially the Kremlin.

postmateDumbass ,

Yes a Trump victory is better for enemies of the US.

Yes Democrats/Biden are making a lot of dumb moves and doing their damn best to lose.

awwwyissss ,

I don't think they're trying to lose. I think they're overrun by corporate influence as badly as the Republicans, and have no strong leadership to coordinate and guide them against a relatively coordinated right wing with foreign support.

postmateDumbass ,

Its not that they are trying to lose.

Its worse.

They are trying to shift the bar of what is acceptable using Trump as a threat.

A status quo shift to worse economic conditions for the ballpark 35%-95% group.

The top 5% will break down and help the poorest, demand to be loved for it, while maintaining record growth on wall street, and squeeze the rest to do it.

Sorry for the late reply.

awwwyissss ,

Yeah some good points, if the GOP fielded a good candidate the Democrats would run someone better.

Diva ,
@Diva@lemmy.ml avatar

It's me the Russian bot showing up to badmouth dear leader, I gotta be real with you though, nobodies paying me to post on a fucking random ass lemmy instance.

Socsa , (edited )

Maybe it's because we saw this exact fucking shit swing the election in 2016 and a lot of people have no patience for it left.

rustyfish ,
@rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar

I remember there, when the Russian Internet connection went down, and for like a day all those kinds of posts nearly evaporated.

Oh shit, I remember this one. For a short time Reddit became a loooooooooot friendlier. Not friendly but friendlier. You could have a nice conversation with someone opposing your views and it came to an actual trade of insights. I valued that a lot. No fucking derailment with stupid ass nonsense and childish jibes. (At least for the most part. Reddit is after all Reddit)

AFKBRBChocolate ,

Yeah, for sure. And before that time I used to wonder how much truth there was in the idea of the Russian troll farms - it seemed a bit like a conspiracy theory, even though it was pretty well documented in the Mueller report. But that day was such a dramatic demonstration. The whole site suddenly shifted so much to the left, and the toxicity dropped so much lower.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Ah yes, Mr RustyFish. I see you support Fishell Rustic Sanders for ruler of earth, purely based on his pro-fish stances.

We may agree in a fish court, or even a basketball court, but at the end of the day, you win some, I win some, and we both smell like fish for having tried your suggestion of chopping up dead fish that washed ashore already dead.......and running their guts and bodies all over our hair and bodies.

Now I fear we're two naked strangers slathering each other in fish corpses.

Socsa ,

Meanwhile, our Lord and Savior PugJesus is singlehandedly taking the fight to the trolls.

PugJesus ,
@PugJesus@lemmy.world avatar

I'm just trying to remind them they aren't welcome in decent places. I wouldn't go to .ml or worse, Hexbear or grad, if you paid me.

fishos ,
@fishos@lemmy.world avatar

Nope, not a bot and anti-Biden registered Dem. You guys always want to Strawman anti-Biden comments as either "angry conservatives" or "Russian-psyops". You don't actually address the concerns either, just brush them off as trolls. Discourse on Lemmy is a echo-chambered joke already. It doesn't need trolls to ruin it, you've done plenty well yourselves.

hal_5700X ,
@hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works avatar

Don't pay attention to them. Don't freed them and move on.

aodhsishaj OP ,

The kind of trolls I'm talking about start a conversation with you, ask you leading questions and pull into a discussion though. Then BAM dog whistles. It's insidious.

I'm well aware of the old adage "Don't feed the Trolls"

My larger question is how do we deal with the leverage an LLM gives trolls?

hal_5700X , (edited )
@hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works avatar

The kind of trolls I’m talking about start a conversation with you, ask you leading questions and pull into a discussion though. Then BAM dog whistles. It’s insidious.

If that happens stop talking to them.

how do we deal with the leverage an LLM gives trolls?

Once again, stop talking to them. Let the mods do their job.

EDIT or you can block them. You have the tools to solve the problem. Use them.

aodhsishaj OP ,

You're right, thanks for helping me reframe this.

Scubus ,

I just add a user note to trolls and then anytime I see them I make sure to let people know not to interact with them

datavoid ,

Are notes specific to an app or frontend?

awwwyissss ,

Same. If we want Lemmy and the Fediverse to succeed we all need to do our part to stop propaganda. They spend money to spread misinformation, but there's no budget for fighting it... just us.

echo ,

Yes - I wish Reddit would keep them...

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