Does anyone else notice an uptick of extreme troll accounts?

I swear, every time most of the time I see someone being particularly rude, ignorant, and inappropriate on a post (usually political in origin, or they swing it to being political) I click on their profile and see it has been created that same day.

They are only there to sow discord. Only to piss people off. Idk if we can just report them (for what?) but I'd like to try exposing them before responding and interacting..

I am guilty of gobbling up the bait. I've started looking at profiles of people that piss me off exceptionally and noticed they're burner bot loser accounts.

I guess i just want to say I've noticed it!

Octothorpidiot ,

I believe THIS is exactly what is being talked about when they say "Russian troll farm"

FreakinSteve ,

I fit your definition. Now lemme 'splain:

For thirty-five years I have heard nothing but radical right fascism spewing hate, lies, vitriol, slander, and violent rhetoric- over the airwaves, cable, and now social media- and without the slightest bit of challenge or pushback. The amount and volume increased when they figured out it pays big money. The people who listen have never known that it was for entertainment; they are being edged to violence just like Ruwandan radio did.

Liberals have been major pussies and doormats about this because they have no idea who they're dealing with. They cannot be reasoned with or appealed to through humanity. The radical fascists' free speech rights do not exist and are not to be defended; there is absolutely nothing to gain there and everything to lose. As I said, liberals have no idea who they're dealing with.

For all the unchecked violence and damaged caused by the radical fascist shitbags to our daily lives, our long term properity, and to safety and security in general, I absolutely attack them with all the violent and vitriolic slander I can muster to pay back for thirty-five plus years of the same. This is the route every one of you should take, because they all think you're a bunch of pussies and they take great joy in running you over. They must be made to fear even being seen in public, and beaten down like rabid dogs when they are. They are enemies of freedom, enemies of humanity, and enemies of all that is good in the world.

polskilumalo ,
@polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml avatar

A lemmy.world account with a spine? 😳😳😳

God damn, color me pleasantly surprised!

frauddogg ,
@frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Yeah that's a new one. They deserve a better class of fed.

boatsnhos931 ,

It's those god damn cracka ass crackas taking up the black mans freedom of speech

Sprawlie , (edited )

Yes. Especially in subs like “Canada” or any post involving Canada in any way

It does not matter what the topic of the thread or conversation is. It can be about how Canada loves puppies. And there will be random 1 or 2 liners from new accounts making political comments heavily pushing specific agendas. Even completely unrelated

Lots of random anti government misinformation and one liners pushing a specific party misinformation and narrative. Our how we’re some 3rd world collapsing country

It is not natural. Same thing occurs also on Reddit.

Conyak ,

We’re about 6 months away from the US presidential election so it doesn’t surprise me.

emmie , (edited )

Never feed the trolls, the only winning move is to downvote and move on

Nothing is as maddening as writing an elaborate troll post only to be completely ignored.

I do all my riling people up on Reddit though because that site is collapsing anyway and a shell of former self. Hard to bring yourself to respect it and not throw some spicy fake made up posts into the wild and see what happens

Woht24 ,

So you speak from experience?

emmie ,

Yes.

HoustonHenry ,

Dammit

Natanael ,

Report if they break the rules, block if they're bad enough.

Draconic_NEO ,
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You should report them as trolls in any case, most instances on Lemmy have rules against trolling in general, further violations beyond that just add to the initial violation of trolling.

Trainguyrom ,

Never feed the trolls, the only winning move is to downvote and move on

A counter-philosophy I subscribe to is call out the BS but don't go back and forth. If you let the trolls be this can bring more trolls. Call out the bad behavior and move on so it isn't accepted but they also don't get the satisfaction of engaging in an argument.

Socsa ,

.ml is very obviously like 20% right wing trolls pretending to be leftists. Literally everyone on the fediverse can see it except for the admins who protect these trolls because of Poe's law blindness.

brain_in_a_box ,

Liberals literally cannot imagine people existing to the left of them.

Socsa ,

Nah, I am a leftist, I have just actually studied enough political science to understand the difference between leftism and braindead campism.

brain_in_a_box ,

Your post history is 85% left punching, 10% defending Israel, and 5% advocating for new deal style capitalism.

Like I said: liberals literally cannot imagine people existing to the left of them.

socsa ,

I don’t see it as left punching as much as calling out campists and .ml mods. I see it as holding up actual leftist values rather than forming a political philosophy around relitigating the cold war. I have never defended Israel, I have called out the issue with religious fundamentalism in this conflict. I have and will continue to call Israel an apartheid state.

Like I said, MLs literally cannot imagine the existence of political theory after 1924.

Also, my account is at least 5% femboy worship. At least do your homework.

brain_in_a_box ,

I don’t see it as left punching as much as calling out campists and .ml mods.

I don't think anyone really cares how you see it: its all just you railing at anyone to the left of Elizabeth Warren.

I see it as holding up actual leftist values

Leftist values like western chauvinism, anti-communism, pro-capitalism, and Zionism.

I have never defended Israel

Lol, sure thing.

socsa ,

Yes, Marx definitely wrote a lot about "western chauvinism." Perhaps you mean "social chauvinism?" Because it's definitely very confusing language for the under studied. Perhaps you should pick up some German language.

Again, I just can't help but be struck by the stark chasm between this liturgical internet "leftism," which seems confused between the principals of pragmatic worker liberation, versus the fantasy that Lenin's autocracy ever achieved anything noteworthy. But I guess populist fan service gets engagement, so who cares about results, right?

brain_in_a_box ,

Yes, Marx definitely wrote a lot about “western chauvinism.” Perhaps you mean “social chauvinism?”

"MLs cannot imagine political theory after 1924! But also, unless Karl Marx himself explicitly said it, it isn't real!'

Because it’s definitely very confusing language for the under studied. Perhaps you should pick up some German language.

Lol, perfect. I can tell you watch Oppenheimer recently...

Again, I just can’t help but be struck by the stark chasm between this liturgical internet “leftism,” which seems confused between the principals of pragmatic worker liberation, versus the fantasy that Lenin’s autocracy ever achieved anything noteworthy.

You think the USSR wasn't a noteworthy improvement on imperial Russia? And your calling other people 'under-studied'? Good lord, liberals really are proudly ignorant.

so who cares about results, right?

MLs. MLs are the ones who care about results and 'practical workers liberation', rather than liberals, who simply demand instant utopia while defending capitalism.

RoseTintedGlasses ,
@RoseTintedGlasses@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

my account is at least 5% femboy worship

Average chaser lol. People will unironically just declare "hey, I have a fetish for objectifying crossdressing twinks!" and then act like it's a completely normal, not creepy thing to say out of nowhere because it's funny when it's queer people being randomly fetishized

socsa ,

I'll let my partner know that you think they are a fetish. They'll get a kick out of it. If I was you I'd probably find your comment offensive.

KillingTimeItself ,

you a PDA type? Damn, that's unfortunate.

frauddogg , (edited )
@frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml avatar

my partner

🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢

if a chaser managed to pull the object of their fetishization that's really just torturing the poor victim; and I refuse to believe someone could be so self-hating as to dabble with such a prime example of an intellectual, ethical, and philosophical equivalent of a black hole like you. That's a level of self-hatred that shouldn't be possible without burning out its holder.

davel ,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

Like I said, MLs literally cannot imagine the existence of political theory after 1924.

get a load of this gramsci-heh mao-wave josus-stalin fidel-wut che-poggers deng-smile xi sankara-salute angela

frauddogg ,
@frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Bullshit, no "leftist" unironically throws out the term "degenerate" as frequently as you do. Don't make me fish out the receipts.

socsa ,

I'm sorry, but air fryers, and counter appliances in general, are degeneracy and that is a very serious position, thank you very much.

frauddogg ,
@frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Nah, lil boy. Don't play stupid.

https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/04ebe2fc-d999-492f-95d9-b24922033cd2.png

polskilumalo ,
@polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Chłop co nie lubi erfrajerów a sam jest frajerem... 🤔

frauddogg ,
@frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml avatar

This guy Socsa's got so many modlog hits.

brain_in_a_box ,

He's trying for some more.

KillingTimeItself ,

well i mean yeah, anything to the left of the left most position on a scale would be, well. Left.

brain_in_a_box ,

If you think liberalism is the left most position on the scale, then you're exactly what I'm talking about

KillingTimeItself ,

im shitposting in reality, but my point was that it's stupid to pick straws like this.

CosmicCleric ,
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There's a group of conflict bots that show up every day, around the same time.

Then throw in a mix of astroturfers from certain countries trying to steer conversations away from one direction and into another direction.

Finally mix in comments from one of the extreme edges of the political spectrum, that repost the same kind of posts that support their extreme views almost daily.

Lemmy admins have some work to do.

anticurrent ,

No, Sounds like someone who can't give a counter arguments, and instead reverts to crying about trolls, bots, and calling for the opposite side to be censored.

Sprawlie ,

The problem is that there are trolls here and rage baiters.

Having an argument with them is their goal as it opens up discussion for them to contribute nothing and spread more division.

They aren’t trying to have a discussion but use the comment chain to spread shit for others.

The user here never called for opinions to be censored. He called for action against trolls and bots who intentionally try pushing false narratives and division

The fact you immediately jumped to argue about censorship rally evidence your own point for being here and that’s to be a shithead too

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

No, not really.

Omega_Haxors ,

Nazis have been attacking Lemmy for quite awhile now. They've only really been finding success on a few problem instances, though.

gayhitler420 ,

Is it still shit and exploding heads?

Omega_Haxors ,

I think the latter is blocked on ml but I think any conscious entity can see the former for what it is.

gentooer ,

It's almost the European Parliament and US presidential elections. Just today our national crisis centre heightened the threat level after a presumed Russian threat mail was send to Wallonian schools yesterday.

NauticalNoodle ,

I noticed votes related to political comments are suddenly shifting to the right which was different just 1 week ago.

Potatos_are_not_friends ,

Absolutely this. We are in for a ride!

PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

Shoutout to Voyager, for automatically marking new accounts with a baby emoji. It’s a feature ripped straight from Apollo, and it should honestly be the standard.

Charzard4261 ,

This app has a lot of great features, it actually convinced me to sign up.

aceshigh ,
@aceshigh@lemmy.world avatar

Wefwef also has it.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

Wefwef is Voyager under a different name. It’s literally the same app.

aceshigh ,
@aceshigh@lemmy.world avatar

Is there a reason to have one over the other?

CosmicCleric ,
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I was going to say I would be happy if just the Lemmy website allowed you to filter out comments based on the age of the account of the comment being made, but a lot of times accounts are created then are left dormant for sixish months and then are used for nefarious reasons.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

Yeah, even filtering by karma/post count/comment count isn’t a perfect solution because karma farming bots are 100% a thing. It’s one of those “you can slow them down but you’ll never stop them” scenarios.

linearchaos ,
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As soon as anyone starts arguing in bad faith I just block them. I don't really care what they have to say about me for my argument.

KevonLooney ,

I wish you could set a personal minimum "karma" and age requirement. Like I don't want to hear from anyone with an account made in the last week. And no one with karma below zero.

It's not really a high bar, it mainly blocks people who get banned all the time.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

How do you even see karma?

KevonLooney ,

I dunno. It was there before. Maybe just total their last 5 comment scores. So it's easy to just not be a dick all the time and get through the filter.

SpaceCowboy ,
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But how would one acquire karma if no one sees their comments?

Also automatically shadow banning new users will mean cool people that come to the site will get the impression that it sucks and leave and never come back.

meleethecat ,

You could just block users with a total < 0 points for those comments.

KevonLooney ,

Yeah, it's extremely easy to not be blocked.

UmeU ,

Oh the cool people are long gone /s

Valmond ,

Karma is easily falsified on the lemmyverse though. I have a maintenance user and a normal user on my server, I can use them both to vote, and thats just easy and not even intentional.

CosmicCleric ,
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The only problem with blocking is they still see your comments you make, and can respond to them negatively, and you have no way of defending yourself because you haven't seen their comment.

My wish would be for blocking to prevent those who are blocked from reading comments from the blocker.

linearchaos ,
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I would love better blocking. But I understand the costs of doing that in a truly federated environment. I'll just settle for not caring what they actually say about me. The whole point of the trolling is to get a rise out of someone.

Draconic_NEO ,
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Stopping viewing on a per-account basis doesn't make sense to me, since people don't need accounts to view any content in Lemmy, therefore it's trivial to bypass by logging out or fetching the discussion information without logging in from a custom frontend.
What would be better is simply stopping them from interracting, just like what happens with bans, they can still view but all interractions are simply dropped or disallowed.

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