sugar_in_your_tea

@sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works

Mama told me not to come.

She said, that ain’t the way to have fun.

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sugar_in_your_tea ,

Dynamic DNS only works if your IP is publicly routable. My ISP (not sure about OP) puts us behind NAT, so the only way to expose services on my network is through a tunnel, like a VPN.

But many ISPs do provide a routable IP. My last ISP did, so it's not uncommon.

And you don't necessarily need to own an IP, services like FreeDNS let you use a subdomain from someone else, but a domain can be as little as $1/year (for TLDs like .site and .store), so it's probably better to just get one. I have like 10 domains, and they only cost $10/year each or so. But if you just want to try out hosting something, using someone else's isn't a bad way to go.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Yup. Police will probably do nothing, but having that number on file gives requests more weight because refusing to comply could get the police involved.

You may be offered a free premium Telegram subscription – but please don’t accept ( archive.is )

Telegram is giving away FREE Premium subscriptions! All they need from you is to use your cell phone as a relay to text out their OTP codes! And the recipient of the OTP sees your phone number! What could POSSIBLY go wrong with this deal?...

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Wow, that's super sketchy.

I'm trying to get my wife to use something decent, and I think Signal is the way to go. It's focused on P2P communication so it's a better replacement for SMS and whatnot, but it also has groups so it can also replace MMS. She likes Discord, but I don't think she'll be as keen to try out Matrix since she'll just wonder why I don't just use Discord.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

IDK, forcing someone to use a certain app to contact you seems a bit extreme, and something that could cause conflict in a relationship. But that's just me, I obviously don't know your situation.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Looks cool, thanks! I'm interested in P2P platforms in general, and this seems like an interesting middleground between P2P and centralized.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Yeah, it looks like a centralized service that behaves like a distributed one. I may even (re)learn Haskell to properly understand it.

It also looks like it's intended to be used for applications, so that's pretty cool too.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Cool. I mostly wanted to warn others in case they tried to do this without the proper consent.

My kids also only use Linux PCs (mine, they'll likely get their own when they get older), have no personal devices, etc, though we're getting close to the point where they'll want them. I also refuse to use any of the mainstream stuff, and I try to persuade my wife to use it too.

otl , to Privacy
@otl@hachyderm.io avatar

Finally deleted my LinkedIn account!

After putting my account into "hibernation" for the past few weeks, I finally closed it. But I'm still looking for work. Thankfully I can still find positions (SRE and software dev) by just going directly to the company's site and finding a Jobs page.

Good luck to everyone else out there looking for work!

#privacy @privacy

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Same. I keep mine, but I don't actively use it unless I'm looking for a job.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Things could be encrypted. But yeah, that's my biggest issue with the fediverse, it's just not designed around privacy. It's also why I'm working on my own lemmy alternative, I want something a bit more privacy-friendly.

I don't think working on a LinkedIn alternative is worthwhile because it relies even more heavily on the network effect. The only point I see in LinkedIn is in finding jobs, and getting employers to look at something else is an uphill battle I don't want to fight.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

I got my current job through it, and it's a great job I never would've found otherwise. So I think it's absolutely worth keeping.

I keep forgetting about it though. I block all of their messages and only check it if I'm looking for a job.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Sure, if you actually use it to post. I never do, I just use it to submit applications and respond to recruiters' messages.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

The point would be sharing data that's not useful without the key. So you could share your public key and public metadata, but to access private data you'd need to get approved first. An approval request would be encrypted with your public key and contain a response key, and your response would contain your response encrypted with their key.

You obviously wouldn't be able to control what they do with your data once decrypted, but all of that back and forth can happen in the clear without giving up private information. It's the same way GPG/PGP works over email, just on a fediverse instead of SMTP.

It really wouldn't be all that hard to implement, I just don't think it would get any meaningful traction because LinkedIn is so reliant on the network effect.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Federation isn't the magic bullet you make it out to be. In fact I disagree with pretty much everything you said, but we probably agree on some fundamental concepts. I just believe federation isn't democratic, not even a little bit, it's just silos of control.

I think we need distributed platforms where data is owned through encryption and signatures. Think gossip protocol with PGP encryption and web of trust based moderation. It's still not democratic, but it puts control in the hands of individual users, not instance admins.

Similar to what Churchill said of democracy, Lemmy/ActivityPub is the worst form of social media, except for all the others. Federation isn't the goal imo, decentralization is. It just turns out that a ActivityPub and Lemmy are available today, which is why I'm here. Reddit was the best option before now (open source frontend, friendly API, etc), but that changed so now I'm here.

So no, don't enshrine a particular solution into law, focus on the principles of privacy and decentralization.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

everyone for themselves.

I'm not suggesting that at all. What I want is the next logical step after federation, which is basically data being distributed.

Basically, I want BitTorrent, but for social media. So there would be no instances, only communities (so no community@instance, just community). Right now, if lemmy.ml goes down, all of the communities hosted there go down and people would need to migrate elsewhere. With a distributed system, if someone drops out, the community goes on because it doesn't live on any one system. Lemmy could mitigate that with a feature to move a community, but you still have the fragmentation issue.

The tricky part is moderation, but I'm thinking that could be done through votes and reports/blocks. Basically, if you vote the same way as someone consistently, you'll start to trust their votes, reports, and blocks more than other uses, and you could enable automatic moderation to hide stuff based on someone else's moderation.

So you would no longer need to rely on a centralized set of mods for a community, you'd instead pick mods yourself based on who you agree with. So you and I could have a separate set of "mods" for the same content. At any time, you could inspect the moderation to see if you agree with it, and your account would learn what you like and don't like. This kills the "power hungry mods" issue that kills so many communities (i.e. I've left subreddits purely because of mods), though I'm a little worried it'll push people even more into echo chambers.

The important thing, though, is that it puts the control directly into the hands of the users, with a set of tools to customize it. And there could be multiple competing clients to handle the moderation differently. I think it's a bit more democratic than what Lemmy provides.

its okay to disagree

I absolutely agree.

My point is that I see federation as a stopgap to something better, not the destination, and it's totally reasonable to disagree. I just think federation will have similar problems as centralized services, and that it's inevitable once it grows to a certain size.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

leftist

Maybe you're just using this as an example, IDK, but I've seen a lot of people here on lemmy seem to conflate technology and political ideology. Technology can be a means to a political end, but equating the two just encourages dogmatic loyalty, and discourages diversity of thought.

But maybe I'm projecting here, IDK.

And yeah, I totally get the concern over splitting the community with too many different ideas (i.e. the Standards XKCD). My concern is that federation won't scale. Users have demonstrated that they'll largely join a handful of big instances, and those instances are poorly funded (often run by some generous benefactor) and fairly expensive to run. And that's with just 50k or so monthly active users, imagine what's going to happen if it ever gets to Reddit scale...

So that's why I'm interested in distributed social networks, they scale really well with lots of users, in fact, they can work even better the more users they get (e.g. BitTorrent). So if we're looking for a grassroots tech stack, it should be distributed. I'd really like someone else to build it (hence why I bring it up, to hopefully get someone to do it), but I'll hack on it in the meantime because I find it fun.

That said, lemmy is good enough for now, hence why I'm here. I just don't see it as a long term solution.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

saying it will work when we have no signs for it kinda is

I'm actually working on a proof-of-concept, but I honestly would prefer to not head the project. I don't think I can commit long term to a project like that, I hate being the center of attention, and honestly I think someone else would do a better job pushing it forward. But I'm intrigued by the tech, so I'm trying my hand at building it.

If I have something to show, I'll post it here. But at least from the initial work I've done, I think it should scale nicely. I'll probably get tired of it before "finishing," but I guess time to tell.

I do like lemmy and the fediverse, I just want to be prepared for it falling apart. I think it's seeing some uptake issues because of fundamentals of the fediverse (needing to understand federation just to join communities, for example), and that will limit its mainstream appeal. But I'll keep using it until there's a credible alternative.

voting to become federated

What exactly do you mean by this?

successor to crypto

Honestly, I think crypto is fine, and I'm particularly interested in privacy coins like Monero. The main issue they have is speculation, but honestly, that happens with fiat currencies as well, and if people start using something like Monero regularly that speculation will likely end up in the noise.

That said, I wouldn't say no to something like GNU Taler getting picked up by a privacy-friendly organization. I'd love to see Mozilla integrate it so I could use Taler for payments to various online services.

Have a good one.

You too!

Federal officials say 20 have been charged for threatening election workers ( wapo.st )

Justice Department officials said reports of widespread threats against officials running the 2020 and 2022 elections have resulted in charges against roughly 20 people, with more than a half dozen receiving sentences between one and 3½ years.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Good. Lock 'em up.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Here's an article with most of the relevant information for those who don't want to watch. Basically it's the story of D3f4ult and Cracka, two hackers who embarrassed the CIA and got arrested for it.

The most interesting thing to me is that they were uncovered because one bragged about it to his friend, who likely turned him in (or, since it was over Xbox Live, maybe it got caught in a filter or something). That's the #1 rule of criminal OPSec, don't tell anyone about your crimes.

The message for the general privacy community is similar, you're only as safe as your weakest link. For example, nobody cares if your email is self-hosted at an anonymous VPN and triple encrypted or whatever if you send plaintext emails to your friends and family on less secure email services.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

I did...

sugar_in_your_tea ,

I don't want to see the numbers for the US...

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Story of my life. Fortunately, now that I'm older, I often catch myself and provide the context. But not always.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

And make sure your encryption keys are stored securely. You don't want a house fire or something to destroy your keys and your data.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Some options:

  • encrypted file stored on a free tier data storage (many are free for the first year)
  • Tarsnap - dedups so storage is cheap; for keys, this would be pennies per month
sugar_in_your_tea ,

As long as they're physically separated so you don't get screwed if there's a fire or something. And if you're DIY-ing, use multiple separate places (friends houses, work, etc).

sugar_in_your_tea ,

I figure I'll ask here instead of making a new post:

Does anyone know of any storage services that accept anonymous payment (cash, Monero, etc) and don't associate with an account? I'm willing to pay a premium since it would only be for a relatively small amount of data (mostly keys and whatnot). Bulk, uninteresting data would be encrypted and stored on a less expensive host like Backblaze or whatever.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

You'd use a password to encrypt the keys and/or store that key in your password manager.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Cool, I haven't heard of this! Thanks!

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Same. That said, I've been trying it Grayjay and like it okay so far. So far I only have Odysee and YouTube channels, and I'll be looking out for other services as well (thinking of trying a Nebula account).

It's not useful for podcasts, but there are podcasts on services it supports, so depending on what OP is looking for, it could work.

sugar_in_your_tea , (edited )

That takes more effort though, especially if accounts require some kind of "not a robot" thing, like email verification, submitting an "essay," etc. I'm not a fan of that and think a different moderation system would be preferred (prefer to not go into details here), but it's easy and should be quite helpful.

It's not a "fix," more of a mitigation.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

I highly doubt it's an org attack, Lemmy just isn't popular enough to see something like that.

I don't know if Lemmy has the ability to shadow ban, but those can be pretty effective for cases like this. It obviously wouldn't help with a botnet attack, but it would help with your average, run of the mill pranksters.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

I mean it's possible, but lemmy only has ~50k monthly active users. Reddit, on the other hand, is in the millions (>400M monthly active users last year, and >50M daily active users). Lemmy just isn't anywhere in the ballpark of being a threat to anyone.

I also think Lemmy has some architectural issues that will make it very difficult to scale to anywhere near Reddit size, even if it somehow gets the users.

It's a cool service, I just highly doubt it's the target of any big campaign. And that's a big part of why I'm here, it's big enough to have interesting communities, but small enough to avoid most of the spam.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Same. I just checked, and archive.is doesn't work on CloudFlare's 1.1.1.1 (one.one.one.one), but it does on Quad9's 9.9.9.9 (dns.quad9.net).

I haven't checked the rest, but that's at least one privacy respecting DNS service that works with archive.is.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

I wish I was lost in dessert, but it's better for my wasteline that I'm not.

And good on VLC for standing up against this. This type of thing should absolutely be opt-in by the developer.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

If you just want group chat, Signal works well. It's more suitable for smaller groups though, so YMMV.

Other than that, Matrix works well.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Yup, the network effect is real.

Maybe you can set up a bridge for those who want to switch? You'd still need both until all everyone moves over, but it reduces friction in that process.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Yup. If you're paranoid, you can self-host and watch network traffic to ensure things are encrypted when they're supposed to be.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Set up two clients and send data between them. You can have it log out exactly what data is being sent since the whole thing is FOSS.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Can you be more specific?

I've heard this argument, but AFAIK the main things are iMessage and FaceTime. I don't know about your family, but I generally don't want FaceTime most of the time. I haven't used iMessage, but it seems like Signal is a drop in replacement, and the benefits are compatibility with Android and desktop apps for Windows and Linux.

Perhaps the play is to switch one app at a time. That's what I'm going to try to get ready to leave Android for Linux phones (assuming they'll be daily-driveable at some point).

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Instead of removing comments like that, perhaps correct them by providing more accurate information. I read the original comments, and they really weren't toxic in any way (in my opinion), they were just strongly worded opinions.

The stated reason in the mod log was (just pulling one, the rest were very similar):

reason: GrapheneOS propaganda posting (fearmongering that it is the only mobile privacy/security solution)

Nothing in the post violated instance or community rules, at least according to my read. Here are the community rules as of this writing:

  • Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn’t great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post
  • Don’t promote proprietary software
  • Try to keep things on topic
  • If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered
  • Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience
  • Be nice :)

And instance rules:

  1. No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia. Code of Conduct.
  2. Be respectful, especially when disagreeing. Everyone should feel welcome here.
  3. No porn.
  4. No Ads / Spamming.

If there's a rule that's being enforced, ideally it would be posted in the sidebar.

As for the original claim, the Pixel is the only phone listed on privateguides.org (GrapheneOS and DivestOS are the only listed ROMs), which I think is a pretty well-respected and well-run privacy recommendation website. If those recommendations are not available in your area or doesn't meet your needs, yeah, by all means use whatever is available and meets your needs.

Perhaps there should be a no-dogma rule or something, my point is just that removing stuff without apparent rule violations is not great from a user's perspective.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Makes sense, thanks for elaborating.

I'll have to look into the FOSS tools to see what could be a reasonable set of alternatives. Some initial thoughts:

  • KDE Connect - connects phone to Linux computer in an interesting way - easy to send files, see SMS, and a couple other things; it's a bit chunky, but maybe something I could help with
  • restic - automatic backup for desktop; pair with Syncthing to automatically keep stuff on your phone synced with your desktop
  • Steam now has better family sharing, and you could set something like Plex up to handle video streaming for owned content

But each of these are a bit inconvenient compared to what Apple offers. I'll think about it some more, and maybe I'll try building something. My kids will be getting old enough to have phones in a couple years, and I'd really rather avoid Apple's ecosystem, but their friends will likely all have iPhones so I'll want a reason for them to prefer something else.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

I guess there's not a super convenient alternative, but maybe something like Syncthing would be close enough?

But yeah, any kind of data synchronization or resource sharing is a little awkward.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Micay

This sounds like some kind of personal beef with Micay. That's understandable, and here's a Louis Rossmann video showing how toxic that individual can be (you go over some of that in your links as well). So I absolutely get it.

That said, the project itself is fantastic. Here's the Privacy Guides page on why GrapheneOS is preferred. It also goes into why it's preferred over CalyxOS and other alternatives, and offers DivestOS as a good alternative (here's the supported device list if you're interested).

You mean the same thieves who stole PrivacyTools website

I'll provide the two sides I have:

To me, the Privacy Guides version of the story seems more believable, at least in terms of where the contributors went. I think both sides absolutely have a point, but this archived page has some pretty serious allegations about Privacy Tools being biased by their affiliate partners (to be fair, the way Jonah handled this is distasteful, he should have just started his own project).

That said, I think the content at Privacy Guides is currently better than at Privacy Tools, and I like that discussion happens in the open.

I hope you're sensing a trend here: we should restrict discussions to technical merits, not discussions about individuals. I dislike both Daniel Micay and Jonah Aragon as people, at least from the limited information I have, but I think both run solid projects. The same is true for other FOSS projects, like GNU/FSF and Richard Stallman, OpenBSD and Theo de Raadt, etc. However, I think each heads a solid project, so I'll continue recommending them based on their technical merits. I hope each survives their founders once they inevitably leave the project.

I have been on this for months looking what to do about this nonsense making its way on from Reddit/4chan onto Lemmy.

May I suggest a pinned post so decisions like this can be made in the open? Clearly state the problem (ideally more concise than what you've linked from Reddit), and why you think the solutions are valuable.

My recommendation is some kind of "no-dogmatism" rule, which makes it clear that privacy is a process, not an end goal. Likewise, we should be careful to elucidate the process for choosing products, not the products themselves (i.e. see Louis Rossmann walk back his support for Lenovo here over warranty BS when you install an alternative ROM). I think it's reasonable that for every product recommendation here, users are expected to give reasons (or a link to reasons) why that product is worth looking into, with a strong nudge to compare to other projects (e.g. why GrapheneOS over Calyx or DivestOS).

Ideally, there would be some kind of wiki the community could keep that links to sites along with notes about caveats and whatnot (e.g. Privacy Tools' conflict of interest allegations, GrapheneOS' toxic leader, etc), with the intent of being a resource of where to get more information instead of a definitive guide.

That's my take at least. I also don't want this community to fall into group thing, but that also includes group thing against projects just because their leaders aren't ideal.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Be careful with Motorola, here's a Louis Rossmann rant about Lenovo/Motorola sucking, and here's the official unlocking policy and procedure he mentioned. Some specific issues to call out:

  • need to wait a week before unlocking the bootloader after purchase
  • you lose your Motorola warranty
  • you cannot sell or transfer your unlocked device (in linked legal agreement)

That's pretty scummy IMO, and why I'm not interested in Motorola devices. I don't intend to ever use the warranty or sell my phone, but I'm not okay with that being a legally binding agreement.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

graphene or calyxos is out

Graphene can run actual Google Play services sandboxed, so you might be in luck. I think CalyxOS has Google Play installed by default, so they may work as well, though it doesn't seem to be sandboxed. DivestOS may be an option as well.

Here's the page I'm pulling this from, I don't have any actual experience here (though planning to get a phone with an unlocked bootloader soon).

hoping in 5+ years time when my phone stops getting updates, that things will be a lot better in the linux mobile space

That's what I thought 4-ish years ago when I bought my current phone when I realized PinePhone wasn't going to be daily driveable, but things don't seem to have changed much (MMS seems to have gotten better, but still incomplete). Now I'm ready to replace it, and Linux phones still aren't daily driveable for me, but it's much better than before.

I'm still hopeful, but a little less excited than I was 4 years ago.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Nah, just ask the telecoms nicely and they'll give you whatever stream you want.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

sharing apps

Yeah, unfortunately that's not possible (legally) without being the digital store owner (like Valve for Steam) or the seller of the app. Fortunately, we don't buy apps, so it's not an issue (everything we want to share is a free download, like Netflix or whatever).

But I think the rest should be possible, there just isn't a nice, FOSS ecosystem for it.

Plex

I've never actually used it. I just configured minidlna to stream in my home, so I put my movies and whatnot on my NAS and it's available on my TV. I set up a Samba share for my wife so she can upload/download whatever she wants, and it's working well.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Unlocked meaning you've unlocked the bootloader. So if you want to flash your own ROM, you agree not selling your device.

I'm not sure if it's enforceable, but it certainly chills people from trying.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Does everybody have a personal beef with this disgusting person?

IDK, seems like it. But that still has nothing to do with the product itself. As long as the product is good and is FOSS, I can look past the people behind it.

It is mostly a rebranding of AOSP features with app permission controlling and firewalling.

That's a good thing IMO. The more an Android ROM deviates from AOSP, the more difficult maintenance becomes and the more problematic a toxic core contributor is.

There are only 3 things they ever did on their own as extras, and even they have basically no value in the grand scheme of things

That doesn't match with what I'm reading online. This comparison table lists a number of differences between the various projects, and many of those are important to me. That source claims to not be affiliated with any of the projects (I haven't done much due diligence though).

I don't really care if these changes were made by GrapheneOS themselves or pulled in from other projects, the end result is a more interesting product that has a fast response to security updates.

Look at Linux distributions, most aren't anything more than a set of configuration changes, packaging policies, and maybe a home grown package manager. Yet there are interesting differences between Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, Arch, openSUSE (my preference), and others. It's all mostly the same code underneath, just packaged differently. That's what I want from an Android ROM, a secure, privacy-focused configuration.

It's not snake oil if the difference between ROMs/OSes are tangible.

This person is who you seem to like.

I never said I liked him, I said the website has valuable information. I don't really care who makes the recommendation provided the statements are independently verifiable, and they do a way better job of linking sources than PrivacyTools.

At the end of the day, I'm not blindly trusting anyone's advice and I'm looking at a variety of sites. I actually disagree with some of the recommendations, especially omissions, but I can usually find those when searching "X vs Y" with two recommendations from their site. Privacy Tools includes some odd suggestions, and it seems like they just throw a bunch of stuff that claims to be privacy-focused without doing much research (or at least they don't link anything).

Ken Thompson, co-creator of Unix and C, on why we should be able to trust the developer and NOT the code.

That's not my takeaway, in fact it's the opposite.

I don't believe in trusting developers, I believe in a mix of security audits, reproducible builds, eyeballs, code signing, and cryptographic hashes. Developers can be bought, accounts can be hacked, etc, but code can't. For example, I don't think Linus Torvalds would intentionally break Linux security, but that's not why I trust Linux, I trust is because it's the subject of a lot of security researchers, large organizations, and a team of proven-capable subsystem maintainers. If I trust the developers, they could sneak in a malicious Trojan horse like Ken Thompson mentioned and I'd just roll with it.

As the Russian proverb goes, "trust, but verify."

selflessly

Well, you certainly talk about it a lot. Maybe you're genuine, but that's kind of irrelevant. I trust technical sources, not personal attacks.

I'm not suggesting you create a wiki at all, I'm saying that having a community effort for a wiki could be valuable. The place for a mod, imo, is to police rule violations (ideally mostly responding to reports, not active policing), and those rules should come from the community they operate in. Issues arise when the police make the rules. Maybe it makes sense for a mod to coordinate that effort, but contributions should come from the community with proper sources and whatnot.

I will not lie or sugarcoat things

And that's commendable, I prefer transparency when I can get it.

My issue here is that I think you're letting your distaste for individuals (however well founded) supercede technical discussions. I think it's reasonable to put a footnote on the technical discussions noting potential conflicts of interest (e.g. Microsoft's push for TPM is commendable from a security standpoint, but there are concerns about NSA backdoors, chilling effect on alternative OSes, etc), but not reject projects entirely just because of an association with a distasteful entity. For example, most here don't trust Google, but that doesn't mean Chromium-based browsers are automatically bad. Doing so is just poisoning the well. Provide 2-3 points of independently verifiable, technical evidence of BS and that makes a pretty strong case to avoid something.

But that's my 2c. I absolutely thank you for your efforts and intentions, and I appreciate the transparency. However, that doesn't necessarily mean I agree with your conclusions, though I could be persuaded with technical arguments. Since you seem to believe GOS is all marketing fluff, perhaps we could start a community initiative (I'm willing to help) to verify claims of various projects. At the end of the day, citations and methodologies should carry the day.

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