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So based on how things have gone so far with the fascist in chief, we can expect no consequences at all, or that he will die of old age before any such consequences can be agreed upon. Sound about right?

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So pretty much as predicted. 😬

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Seriously. What would be surprising is if they were not. Proprietary System gonna Proprietary System.

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In their own words!

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Stockholm Syndrome is the only explanation I can come up with at this point.

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That's a really interesting bit of nuance that I'd never taken note of! Thanks!

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100% true, I should have acknowledged that!

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randall_Munroe

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And yet, it's the one showing up on social media for discussion post-protest.

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Those are usually the ones that get posted.

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WHO is asking for AI chatbots/assistants to be in everything they use? WHO?

This feels like 3D TV all over again - where the industry tried relentlessly to convince us all we wanted it for a few years, to a collective "meh."

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I am one of the "tech savvy people" and I appreciate the future that machine learning and generative AI can help us usher in, regardless of whether my understanding at the detail level is imperfect. I don't want it forecefully integrated into anything I use really, and I certainly don't want it forcefully integrated into everything, especially (glances at headline) to the detriment of other aspects of human life and happiness. I want it available to me as a discrete tool when needed.

While I respect the reality that others may have different desires than I do, I remain skeptical that a large number of consumers literally want it to be on every damn thing like angry birds, to the point where its usage needs to be heavily factored into the environmental impact of corporations.

If that's somehow a stepping stone period of development that we must pass through to get to the good stuff, then I hope they (in the field generally, not specifically MS) are turning all that horsepower to coming up with innovative climate-positive measures that we are capable of implementing as a near-term goal.

A GOP Texas school board member campaigned against schools indoctrinating kids. Then she read the curriculum. ( www.texastribune.org )

Weeks after winning a school board seat in her deeply red Texas county, Courtney Gore immersed herself in the district’s curriculum, spending her nights and weekends poring over hundreds of pages of lesson plans that she had fanned out on the coffee table in her living room and even across her bed. She was searching for...

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They and she will vote exactly the same the next time around anyway, so it really doesn't matter if they learn the truth or not.

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They are the party of taking things away. It's literally the core of any legislation or policy positions which come from their party. The fact that they claim to be against government interference in the lives of citizens or fiscal responsibility are laughable details at this point. Even states' rights are something they believe in only when it suits them.

They are the party of hypocrisy and regression, and all their most visible leaders are a laughingstock to the world.

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I do feel like states rights gets trotted out as needed, if not as often as in the past. Isn't it their primary non-religious defense for overturning Roe?. Otherwise, I think you have a point. I suppose I don't hear those sorts of claims often like I used to.

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I had to suffer and die with cancer, so no one else should get a cure either!

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😂

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I really want to like Ska, and I really like nearly the entirety of this album, but whenever I try to branch out from there I come up dry with anything I really enjoy.

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Yes unpopular, but your final sentence indicates a deep lack of understanding regarding the origins, purpose, and breadth of the genre.

You are welcome to your opinion, and I'm 100% sure that no one coming in like that is going to look any deeper. I'm just sharing my opinion that yours is uninformed and superficial.

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a lot of hip-hop that essentially glorified a lot of horrible traits was just what a lot of old, rich white dudes figured would make them money.

Arrested Development touches on that in at least a few of their recent songs. This is one that immediately springs to mind, but there are others:

Full lyrics here

Song here

 

do i have to tell you how this industry goes down

they wanna promote us as the lowest things around

stereotypical images of blacks all around

police beat us to the ground

do i have to tell you how this industry goes down

promote the thugs with the criminal sound

stereotypical images and white supremacist images of us never innocent it kills

 

kills, snitches and witnesses

i guess the business is exploit us sexually

but keep us intellectually primitive

sedate the sensitive

nullifying all their initiative

to ever unify, just relying on representatives

our english is now seen as this, opposite of geniuses

the truth is meaningless

they deliberately been deceiving us

...

Edit: Realized the lyrics site had a couple words wrong.

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Well thank you for the response, which I admit I expected to not exist or to be rude. 🙂

I’m willing to listen and learn about it all I just don’t think it’ll change my outlook on how it’s effected everyone everywhere negatively.

I wasn't going to push this on you, but this 4-part documentary literally takes the exact opposite stance and is a documentary regarding the formation and evolution of hip-hop. You don't owe me anything, but if you are legit interested...

I believe it's available on at least a couple different streaming services, as well as on the high seas.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt21872984/

Having watched it myself, please resist the temptation to skip around if you do give it a shot. There's a through-line that will be less apparent if you watch it all chopped up, or skip past certain sections.

I just think it’s been glorified to the point people who have no experience with ghetto culture outside of rap music start acting like they thugs n shit. Like “gangster” shit started happening everywhere with a shitload of people fully embracing not only the visual look but the “hustler” “gangster” lifestyle.

This very thing is discussed at one point, FWIW. 🙂

And you know maybe I’m wrong and I’m just upset things aren’t changing the way I want them to.

I'm about the whitest looking person you could imagine, and I'm in my mid-late 50s. I grew up with a good dose of privilege, but (fortunately?) was thrust into situations through early to mid adulthood that forced me to step outside my comfort zone quite a bit. I look like I should be walking around with a maga hat and intimidating voters with my open-carry firearms, not pseudo-anonymously trying to convince a stranger to give hip hop another chance.

A lot of things haven't progressed the way I expected them to, either, and I am very familiar with how easy it is to misjudge things that are not within your lived experience.

Hip-Hop is a mirror of what is, not the progenitor of the nation's problems. It sometimes looks like the progenitor to folks who haven't previously experienced some of what it reflects in their own daily lives though, I think.

Personally, the only place I'm hearing voices raised about the issues I care about in modern music (and this could be my own narrow view) is within the subgenre of "conscious hip hop."

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the upper class do not want a culture based on anti-authoritianism to emerge.

Truth.

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You should look into conscious hip hop. Plenty of that kind of music still being made.

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I've had a hard time getting into Aesop Rock, but he comes up so often I should try again.

I have enjoyed most Busdriver that I've heard, but I admit I often have to look up his lyrics to understand them, and it's probably discouraged me from exploring his catalog more than I have. My fave that I've heard of his is Much, partially because he slows it down a bit.

Digable Planets - I only knew them for The Rebirth of Slick for decades. Took a deeper look a couple years ago and was blown away. They are high on my list now. Love their sound. Good recommendation there!

I've got to also recommend Brother Ali.

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I don’t like music I can’t relate to and I can’t relate to most rap songs. I’m not out here thuggin or poppin caps, doing drugs and fuckin removed. I don’t even really want to do those things. So that erases almost half the damn genre out the gate.

I promise I'm not trying to spam you with stuff!

With that specific criticism in mind, I listen to what I listen to because of the lyrics for the most part, and I'm not into those things either. Here are some examples I'd recommend.

Some folks don't like Atmosphere's style much, but I'm recommending these to you because of their lyrics, specifically. (Personally I think these are both bangers though.)

(If you have them, put on some nice headphones. Esp for Brother Ali.)

A couple from Atmosphere:

Okay

Let me know what you want

Brother Ali has a couple that really speak to me too:

Can't Take That Away

Uncle Sam Goddamn

I am not trying to make you "like" Rap, FYI. Folks like what they like.

I'm just trying to open a path to show you that how you described it in your prior comment does not describe most hip hop - even if it describes most hip hop you have heard. 🙂

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Not even that far off Onion! Your satire is going to need to get more ridiculous.

https://apnews.com/article/7aa55bcffe0f4db88282790a19a415a0

https://wjactv.com/news/local/school-apologizes-assignment-asking-5th-grader-pretend-to-be-a-white-slave-master-conemaugh-township-somerset-parents-reaction-

And there are a great many similar stories!

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Silly me, I assumed all people, those in the working class at least, genuinely fear becoming homeless…

Gen-Xer here. At my highest highs and my lowest lows, I have never let go of a background fear of becoming homeless.

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Still a socialist utopia in comparison. 😀

Example:

In such a case, 1 month compensation per 1 year worked is often recommended by labor courts (maxing out at 6 months). Again, those are not mandatory unless it goes to an arbitration tribunal or court.

I work for a pretty good company, of a decent size. I have things better than many folks in the US do with regard to my employer. I've been with them for almost 30 years. If they fire me tomorrow, I might get one extra paycheck from my employer, if I ask very nicely. There is no likely path through our legal system that will net me more than that, assuming they haven't fired me in a way that violates my civil rights.

r/The_Donald helped radicalize users into far-right identities and discourse – Active users on r/The_Donald increasingly used white nationalist vocabularies in their comments within three months. ( journals.sagepub.com )

I know most people that were on reddit at the time are fully aware of this and won't be surprised but don't dismiss the findings out of hand. It's important that studies are being conducted and the fact that the finding match our lived experience is still noteworthy.

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Wow that’s a lot of text with a lot of opinion I don’t really care for. I was more looking for a list but all I got was cuck, zionist, ethnostate, soros, and 1488. The rest is ideas and concepts and Dumas’s conspiracy theories not vocaulary.

I mean, you asked a bunch of random strangers instead of going to google, so ya gets what ya gets, I guess.

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People keep trying to convince me it's not evidence of two justice systems.

 

But it is.

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I'm fairly certain his conduct during the proceedings themselves would have landed me or anyone else in jail by now. (And/Or with a fine that required us to do more than lift up our couch cushions.)

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Right, right.

2 Justice systems.

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I could not possibly have said it better than this.

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Are folks going to show up here to scold us all for thinking he'll never see consequences like in every other discussion of a similar headline, or are we starting to move past that point?

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But no one should expect Adams to hold NYPD accountable. Once a corrupt cop, always a corrupt cop.

This is the bottom line, and it's (one reason) why nothing will happen.

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All that is true, but who votes for a cop as mayor in nyc on the heels of 2020? I lay a little of this on the NYC voters.

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The law in NY defines how much the fines are

So like all fines, they are only a punishment for the poor and middle class.

and how long someone could be held in jail.

Sweet, how long is that, and how many times does he have to fuck up before he ends up there for contempt the way I would?

Edit - pretty sure it's X + 1 times, where X is always however many times he's fucked up to date.

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I understand that but - is jail time not always on the table when you repeatedly ignore orders from a judge in their own courtroom? Does it need to be TEN TIMES to qualify for not jumping the gun? And do you really believe that "next time" he will get jail? (I do not.)

Meh.

2 legal systems. That's what's on display here. Whether there is justification or not. I don't fault you for accepting the justification, but this is proof there is one system for the rest of us (which will chew us up and derail our lives over relatively minor infractions), and one system for folks like Trump. (who will die of old age living a 1% lifestyle without ever going to jail, IMO.)

My frustration is not directed at you, you are just the unfortunate recipient.

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is jail time not always on the table when you repeatedly ignore orders from a judge in their own courtroom?

Yes. That’s how NY law on this works.

OK, so if jail is always on the table, and this is the TENTH time he's been found in contempt, how would it have been "jumping the gun" to jail him after say the 8th time? Or how about the third time? Would I get away with three contempt findings and no jail time under the same judge?

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Which is how the system should work for anyone

I feel really doubtful that it would work that way for me, (or for any rando off the street) but you seem very certain, so that's probably as far as we can expect this conversation to go. Thanks for the discussion though. :)

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Well, it would work for you, because NY law is very specific about how this works.

I've been avoiding requesting a citation up to now, but can you quote me the bit that says any random person can be fined for this many infractions (specifically willfully failing to follow directives from the judge in a way that would be considered contempt) without expecting jail for it? I've got no problem admitting I'm wrong, but as of yet I don't feel convinced that I am.

Edit - specifically the part which stipulates that this should result in one hearing, not "several" -

There was one hearing covering several instances. All those get bundled together as a set of $1000 fines each.

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Does that very old case (which seems a really odd basis for this seemingly minor point of law - and I'm skeptical this 1983 decision is weighing on this judges mind) also stipulate that someone should get only a single hearing for multiple infractions?

I still don't see the logic anywhere showing "hey, we'll let folks do this OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER but it would be jumping the gun to do more than slap his wrist until they've done it, say, twelve times."

This just seems like an example of a judge being lenient in a specific case, and not especially relevant beyond that.

Really it doesn't matter. He'll do it again, and I'll be shown correct when they fine him another nickel, or he'll do it again, and I'll be wrong, but he'll actually be inconvenienced by his actions by a very short stint in jail so that will be OK, I guess.

Edit - with no snark intended, this is seeming less true, not more, as we continue.

NY law is very specific about how this works.

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