RealFknNito ,
@RealFknNito@lemmy.world avatar

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TheControlled ,

I'm going to judge apples and bananas differently.

Leg ,

People don't stop being people just because they're wearing different clothes, you goober.

TheControlled ,

There's two different power and political dynamics at play, you dildo.

So actually yeah, they do.

Leg ,

Incorrect.

TheControlled ,

Intellectual superiority complex but no actual brains to back it up, I see.

Leg ,

If that makes you feel better about yourself. I simply wish not to have a meaningless argument again.

spujb ,

i support this sign and its artist but someone needs to teach them forearm anatomy they kind of said

https://lemmy.cafe/pictrs/image/68e2a4bb-6ae3-42ea-a8ce-14a6ef11f350.webp

LemmyKnowsBest ,

Yes! I was actually admiring the artistry of the fists and the shadowing and everything and then I followed it down to the shapeless skinny forearms. looks like they put all their effort into the fists and couldn't be bothered to make realistic looking forearms

AeonFelis ,

Even worse. The police has both the authority and the budget to:

  1. Test candidates before they hire them as cops.
  2. Train their cops.
  3. Discipline the violent cops.

Protest organizers can't do these things. Anyone who wants to join the protest just needs to arrive at the appointed time and place, and if they behave badly - the ones allowed to punish them are not the protest organizers but the police.

alcoholicorn ,

It's also worse because it's violence of the oppressor vs violence of the oppressed.

FarFarAway ,

And, whats more, is that if your in Louisiana, Mississippi, or Texas, the protest organizer, too, gets punished for the bad behavior of others.

RealFknNito ,
@RealFknNito@lemmy.world avatar

So close to being self aware. What happens when you reverse the roles with the same logic then? Judging a police force for their most violent cops but not judging a demonstration for their most violent participants is what? Are you suddenly a 'freedom fighter' because you believe your cause is just? History proves the worst people always think their path forward is the righteous one. I really wish we'd stop getting distracted by this shit and fight against the real oppressors of us all: The wealthy.

db0 OP ,

The counter to hypocrisy is not more hypocrisy. It's no hypocrisy

RealFknNito ,
@RealFknNito@lemmy.world avatar

I'm 14 and that's deep. Way to sidestep the actual point.

The counter to hypocrisy is to be principled, yet that sign seems to accuse people of the exact thing it represents. I'll ask again, if your enemies are oppressors, does that make you a self-claimed freedom fighter? Rebel? Or something less flattering - Terrorist.

db0 OP ,

None of the above.

frostysauce ,

Cops are tools of the wealthy to oppress us.

RealFknNito ,
@RealFknNito@lemmy.world avatar

So when a man hits you over the head, you go after the hammer?

spujb ,

yeah grabbing the hammer is a remarkably wise plan as far as self defense in this hypothetical

RealFknNito ,
@RealFknNito@lemmy.world avatar

Wonderful, then you'd agree we should get rid of all hammers then too right? Clearly it's the fault of the tool, not the one wielding it.

spujb ,
RealFknNito ,
@RealFknNito@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah it's hard to stay consistent when warped logic is applied to different scenarios. I'll spell it out for you, Mr. White.

If a murderer uses a hammer to murder, you don't ban hammers, you go after the murderer. So then why when the wealthy use the police as a tool, you try to ban police, instead of going after the wealthy?

spujb , (edited )

breh you asked what we do if a man hits me on the head with a hammer

my genuine immediate reaction would be to wrestle the hammer out of control of the man

but for some reason you think that my first reaction, being in imminent danger of immediate injury and death, is to start canvassing the neighborhood? gathering signatures to ban hammers from the local Lowes or something? meanwhile the guy with the hammer still has his hammer and is beating the shit out of me. i actually would not do that.

i’m being quite consistent where you are being quite silly 😛

edit: also no one said “instead” but you. pardon me for not taking this seriously i just don’t care (about your messed up hypothetical; i care deeply about institutional violence)

RealFknNito ,
@RealFknNito@lemmy.world avatar

I'm not asking for your emotional or instinctive response to the situation, I'm asking you who you hold accountable. Your response seems to hold a tool (hammer/cop) instead of the thing that used it to hurt you(criminal/wealthy).

Yes, you don't care, I get it. You can't engage with serious shit so why the fuck are you responding? There will always be another tool, always be another way to hurt people, stop fucking focusing on the tool and go after the person using it. So exhausting trying to teach morons unwilling to learn.

spujb ,

oh ok well when you put it that way :)

cops aren’t hammers they are people. the wealthy aren’t hammers either they are people.

so both. i’d hold both accountable.

RealFknNito ,
@RealFknNito@lemmy.world avatar

Again, cops are just doing their job. You want to change what their job is, you need to go after the people giving them that job. You aren't going to topple a critical pillar of society, law enforcement, because you think it's corrupt.

For the last time, eat the rich, stop getting distracted.

spujb ,

stop getting distracted

as though we are only capable of calling for one reform at once. infantilizing & blocked for being so unserious.

RealFknNito ,
@RealFknNito@lemmy.world avatar

God you're so right. We should divide our attention so nothing gets done instead of focusing it on the most pressing issue. You're a fucking idiot, goodbye.

spujb ,

google “cops 40 percent” 👍

wick ,

Nah

RealFknNito ,
@RealFknNito@lemmy.world avatar

google "how to form a rebuttal" 👍

EmperorHenry ,
@EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

fuck yeah!

mister_monster ,

¿Porque no los dos?

explodicle ,

Because cops can kick people off the force but protestors can't kick people out of protesting.

mister_monster ,

Sounds like a...

wait for it

...cop out.

😉👉👉

explodicle ,

Ok then I hereby ban you from protesting.

Mammothmothman ,

Its even more true when the most violent in a protest are working with the cops or are cops themselves.

Disaster ,

Remember when one of the OWS agent provocateurs got outed by riding his motorcycle like a dick a few months afterwards?

PopcornTin ,

It's interesting how much in this thread aligns with what people on the right say about Jan 6.

RIPandTERROR ,
@RIPandTERROR@sh.itjust.works avatar

what happened is not something I morally find myself against. Why it happened is everything.

Mammothmothman ,

Go astroturf elsewhere asshole.

dQw4w9WgXcQ ,

Can we take a second to appreciate that those hands were drawn very well? Like, most times I draw a hand, it just ends up looking like a stupid blob, but this poster has gotten the shape and proportions pretty decently. And not just once, but twice. Good.

flambonkscious ,

And the shading is excellent as well!

Telodzrum ,

Fine message, but if you have 33 words on your protest sign you're really missing the mark.

Mouselemming ,

At least they got the words neatly written and balanced on the cardboard, and the fists are drawn better than on your average cardboard sign.

Telodzrum ,

Facts. The amount of horribly, illegibly scrawled messages you see at protests. Luckily the worst offenders don't tend to make it onto social media, understandably.

Imgonnatrythis ,

I dunno. This is more meaningful than an ACAB sign.

Telodzrum ,

You're making a sign, not writing the abstract to a political science paper. You get like a dozen syllables, max.

Imgonnatrythis ,

You messed with the wrong guy. I'm going to protest the fascist restriction of syllables going on here.

UrPartnerInCrime ,
@UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works avatar

Maybe when we didn't have phones to constantly take photos, but you could literally take a picture of many "too long" signs and read them at your own pace.

Telodzrum ,

Your solution to this nonsense is taking a picture of a sign to read later?

UrPartnerInCrime ,
@UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works avatar

As I just did with the post yes. Someone took a picture of the sign to look at later, and I enjoyed it.

Now imagine taking a picture of a bunch of signs at once.

Edit: it's like, you can go to a museum and take a picture of a long description then go sit down nearby. I like looking at things but your boys got back problems haha

spujb ,

literally! the internet and photo sharing has become so important to activism and protest

this account is either a silly troll or is choosing to die on a very short and soggy hill

Mango ,

It's not a tweet.

octopus_ink ,

And yet, it's the one showing up on social media for discussion post-protest.

Kusimulkku ,

I've seen a bazillion of them so far. Must've all been good ones

octopus_ink ,

Those are usually the ones that get posted.

Kusimulkku ,

I wish it was

spujb , (edited )

internet users be like, i can’t read anything longer than a short tweet actually

edit: also ignoring that this poster made it to the internet and got >1k reads and counting on one platform alone. 😛 epitome of nitpicking the unnecessary

Telodzrum ,

Yeah, internet users and their centuries of punchy picket signs …

fosho ,

am I the only one who counted? it's only 25. you could have used the real number you lazy ass.

Telodzrum ,

Pretty hostile, you doing ok buddy?

figaro ,

Welcome to Lemmy, where we wonder why we aren't growing very quickly

Mango ,

Meanwhile someone else is upvoted for "If your beliefs fit on a sign, think harder."

darvocet , (edited )

… but it’s just a few bad apples. Most cops are very fine people.

Edit: /s Jesus

solarvector ,

I'm sorry, kinda hilarious that you had to add a sarcasm tag. And sad.

darvocet ,

I was hopeful the two separate clues - “just a few bad apples” plus “very fine people on both sides” would be a banger. Maybe it was just too good.

ThatWeirdGuy1001 ,
@ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world avatar

Nah it's because there are people who actually believe that shit so it's hard to gauge sarcasm.

It's a lot like how people make jokes about landlords. A lot of the people are being sarcastic but there's enough of them that are serious that you can't really tell the difference.

Jimmyeatsausage ,

Wanted a post-scarcity world but ended up with a post-satire one instead.

kwomp2 ,

... they fine just a few people. But most apples are bad cops.

Viking_Hippie ,

most apples are bad cops.

Lawsuit incoming from Golden Delicious PD

Midnitte ,

It's kind of ironic that you had to add the /s since most people never think to finish the adage.

A few bad apples spoil the bunch

frezik ,

Like "pull yourself up by your bootstraps", its full meaning has been cut off in order to support the opposite point.

disguy_ovahea ,

The original intent of that metaphor is correct in your use, but it’s rarely recognized. It began as “a rotten apple quickly infects its neighbor.” Over time, it became “one bad apple ruins the bunch.” Now it’s used as just “one bad apple” to infer minimal or selective corruption, completely discrediting the point of the analogy.

cynar ,

It's also worth noting the implication of the full phrase. If you remove the bad apples quickly enough, then you can save the rest. If you can remove the corrupt elements, then you can protect the group overall. If you leave them to fester then you'll have a lot more cutting required to clean up.

disguy_ovahea ,

Absolutely. Also very applicable to OP’s point.

samus12345 ,
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xavier_berthiaume ,

The only good advertising I've ever seen

v4ld1z ,
@v4ld1z@lemmy.zip avatar

This goes so hard. I'd love this on a shirt

octopus_ink ,
corsicanguppy ,

But you're not wrong. It's a sampling bias.

I only know like 2 dozen cops. One's an absolute blowhard, but the rest are decent people. I don't expect them all to be nice, because I've seen reports on TV otherwise; it'd be foolish.

The cherry-picking starts with US newsmedia. I'm glad our cops are different, at least.

Jiggle_Physics , (edited )

The problem that brings up the idea of no good cops is, if these 23 other cops are good, and this one is bad, why is there still the bad cop? Why do the other 23 not push that bad cop out?

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