TheFriar

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    TheFriar ,

    It’s worth finding a 24hr emergency vet. A sudden wound on both sides of the face? Going actually through both sides, not just a surface wound? It’s definitely recommended. It’ll be expensive, but he’s probably in quite a lot of pain. Cats tend not to show pain the way we imagine. They hide it.

    TheFriar ,

    Jesus. I’m sorry. Check out the mutual aid community. You might find some help there

    TheFriar ,

    German?

    The hidden potential of bicycles ( www.resilience.org )

    The average modern person, by one calculation, spends more than 1,600 hours a year to pay for their cars, their insurance, fuel and repairs. We go to jobs partly to pay for the cars, and we need the cars mostly to get to jobs. We spend four of our sixteen waking hours on the road or gathering the resources for the car....

    TheFriar ,

    Hey, I’m all for more bicycles. I’m a big fan. But this article seems to imply that it’s either fossil fuels or foot power. We have access to cheap renewables, why can’t we use that? Electric vehicles exist as well, as when we can power the whole grid on renewables, using electricity will be fine. Pedal power is obviously better than no machine at all, but it’s not the only option in existence after we get rid of fossil fuels. And it’s exactly this kind of shit that the fossil fuel companies and right wing asshats will use—exactly like the eating insects thing—to fuel fear of what a climate friendly future has to look like.

    TheFriar ,

    Of course. I don’t drive and don’t plan on ever having to again. I was just saying this type of framing in an article doesn’t help the cause. It is fodder for the people peddling misinformation about why we shouldn’t do anything about climate change. The pro-climate change groups will always latch onto this type of shit when they can find it. Like the whole “no more hamburgers” thing or the “crickets as food” thing or the “no more vacations” thing or whatever the fuck they’re always spouting on fox. It’s a strawman, of course. But we shouldn’t be serving it up that way.

    That’s what I was saying. Not that we need to be pushing EVs. Just that this type of article saying, “maybe we can live in a world where one day we move back to pedal power” is the exact sort of PR problem the pro-climate movement keeps falling into.

    Münecat did a great video on the PR pitfalls of the crunchy spokespeople these movements always seem to put forward. We all understand a solarpunk utopia would be great. But picking out the least desirable aspect of it for the largely lazy population doesn’t help the cause.

    That’s all I was saying.

    TheFriar ,

    Yeah, as I explain elsewhere, I wasn’t pushing EVs over bikes. I was just saying the framing of “pro-pedal power” in this article is the exact type of shit right wingers latch onto and never shut up about. I can hear them now: “LIBRUL ANARCHIST COMMUNISTS’ ideal world is one where you eat crickets, can never travel more than 15 minutes from your house, can’t eat hamburgers, never get a vacation, never have children, and you have to pedal-power your home appliances!”

    They will always find a way to make a stupid argument like that, of course. The 15 minute cities thing is a great example. How much did they shout about how “you’ll never get to see your sweet old grandmother! The LEFT wants your grandma to die alone!” in regards to the concept of 15 minute cities? But regardless, we as the pro-not-boiling-alive group need to be smarter about the type of solutions we pose. They will take this type of sloppy idealism and talk about how you’ll be powering your tv with pedals or whatever.

    The way we present the solution matters. It’s literally the biggest hurdle we face, because we need support. Wistfully discussing the glory of pedal power for everything just serves up the propaganda on a silver platter.

    That was my point. Not that everyone should drive.

    TheFriar ,

    I definitely agree. I mentioned this in multiple other replies to this comment, but I meant that how we present the climate friendly future matters. Modern people are desperately addicted to modern conveniences. Painting the solution as “wouldn’t it be great if the future was pedal-powered” is the next thing the right will latch onto like, “he left wants to take your car freedom away, make you eat crickets, sterilize you so you can’t have more children, and never be able to travel more than 15 minutes from your house.” It’s fucking stupid, but we have to stop falling into their idiotic traps. That was my point.

    TheFriar ,

    Well, to show how ridiculous their shit actually is, the whole “the left wants to sterilize you” thing came from a study talking about how having kids is the biggest contributor to climate change, ahead of eating meat.

    https://archive.nytimes.com/green.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/07/having-children-brings-high-carbon-impact/

    and all the articles from NYT, WP, The Guardian, etc (the “lIbRUl MeEdIa!”) probably all citing this study that looked at the effect of having children.

    Yknow, studies. By scientists. To learn about the world around us. Lefty shit like that.

    It’s unfortunate because this one doesn’t fall into the trap of right wing propaganda fodder, it’s literally just a study discussing what having children means in a time where everyone is worried about having kids because, yknow, the world might not be very hospitable by the time they grow up.

    The climate solutions that we all agree are great personal choices you can make are easy pickings for them. But it’s funny, because all this talk about what we can do and most outlets just won’t even bring up large scale change that targets the biggest polluters, massive companies. Because that’s “anti-business” which is basically sacrilege these days.

    sigh

    …it’s a sad state of affairs. But I’ll keep riding my bike and taking the subway and buying local and all that. But it’s a drop in the ocean.

    TheFriar ,

    Not to mention, they’re attributing this to “anarchists on Twitter,” which OP jumps on. Like…all of them? Or did one person with lefty beliefs say something? Because…I’m an anarchist. Libraries are tip top. No anarchist I’ve ever met has one single iota of a problem with libraries.

    TheFriar ,

    It’s absurd that in this day and age, $31,000 for a FAMILY OF FOUR is how low the supposed poverty line is. And $15,000 for an individual?! These people have no idea how little money that is today.

    TheFriar ,

    Hey, just to throw it out there: kibble isn’t great for your cat. Cats should get most of their moisture from their food, so moist meats are best. They’re obligate carnivores. Those teeth are not made for chewing hard biscuit things. They love it because it’s basically junk food. But it contributes to kidney disease due to dehydration, tooth decay by age three because of the starches activating with the enzymes in their saliva, heart disease because of the weight issue and nutritional deficiencies (not to mention, cats will eat until they have sated their appetite for nutrients, hence why cats who eat kibble always seem to be hungry), along with a slew of other issues because everything good about the ingredients is extruded out in the process and they spray artificial vitamins back onto the food.

    Like…don’t feed your cats kibble. Put it on top as a little crunchy garnish, nowhere close to the same amount of harm in that. But give your cats wet food with actual meat (not byproduct) as the first ingredient. Or better yet, buy your cat some raw food like primal, small batch, vital essentials. They are enforcing high pressure pasteurization in the industry, which is a shame because it has some of the same effects on the good bacteria in the food which helps maintain gut health, but it’s still way better than kibble. Cats are small, they really don’t eat a whole lot. Splurge on their food and you’ll save on vets bills.

    TheFriar ,

    https://lemm.ee/pictrs/image/6a8318d6-f2ab-450e-b6bc-9ef78fe72f29.webp

    TheFriar ,

    Eh. That’s no way to live life. Can’t be worrying about that kinda stuff. Who ever heard about anything bad happening? With the ice? Sure, if you think too hard about it it might seem gross, but…just don’t think. My happiness grew 100% the year I gave up thinking. I don’t even know how percentages work. That’s how much I don’t think. Ice is fine. Eat the ice, put it in your drinks, whatever. There are very few things left in this late stage capitalist hellacape that we even get as “perks” anymore because we aren’t fucking appreciated, we are just figures now. You used to be able to check your bags on a plane for free, but then 9/11 “hit the industry hard” and to “get back on their feet” (after their billions and billions in bailout money)—-shit…I started thinking again. I vow to never do that again.

    TheFriar ,

    Pearl Jam tried to take them on a while back. The problem with monopolies is they’re incredibly powerful. They got that way by lobbying (read: bribing), and the more they succeed, they more they’re likely to succeed. Their power grows exponentially, basically. So by the time they get to be a monopoly, they’re basically super monopolies because they have the government in their pocket.

    TheFriar ,

    Community land trusts seem like a creative solution at the moment. We definitely don’t need a fucking tech company with their hands in the mix though.

    https://yewtu.be/watch?v=h46WVCr4zk0

    TheFriar ,

    Or we could just…abandon this concept of machine learning until we have the bigger issues handled. Like, the planet trying to shake us off like fleas, for instance.

    TheFriar ,

    I have to assume the bars are covering up the sweatband that is surely on his wrist.

    TheFriar ,

    In. Water.

    TheFriar ,

    Post that shit when you finish it!

    TheFriar ,

    In the presence of whom

    TheFriar ,

    Well, the problem is it isn’t “either/or.” It’s “both or just one.”

    Trump will be worse for Palestine, believe it or not. I mean, that isn’t hard to believe, it’s just hard to swallow that those are the choices. But it’s the one we’re stuck with.

    TheFriar ,

    I mean, we all get it. But Biden is worse? What makes you possibly think trump will make smarter and more humane decisions for the Palestinian people?

    TheFriar ,

    That’s a naive thing to think. Beyond naive.

    Biden is actually kind of concerned with trying to appear like he cares. He kinda has to. It’s for selfish reasons, of course, he is still a politician. But Democratic voters aren’t just rank-n-file voters like republicans. And they’re not all wanting the most cruel thing to happen. Republicans voters almost universally are.

    The US supports Israel. Like, the country. The machinery. Not Biden or trump or even Bernie, in that hypothetical situation. It’s a massive moneyed machine that probably just one dude couldn’t decide to stop—even if that person were president.

    I’d vote for another country too, for another order, if I could. But we can’t. You’re voting for genocide or genocide. But one of those genocides comes with a slew of other problems for vulnerable communities at home. And that same one comes with a petulant fascist with harm on the brain and a rabid fan base wanting to tear trans people limb from limb and stick women back in the 1940s and just open up he earth and suck out whatever regardless of the consequences. We have minutes until midnight on the climate emergency. Even a slow descent into turmoil is better than throwing everything we can into the fires.

    Being a one-issue voter, especially in 2024, is so incredibly shortsighted and…I’m sorry, but selfish. You’re willing to throw MORE Palestinians, trans people, women, the environment all into the shitpile for, I’m sorry, your personal sense of purity.

    We all get it, what is happening in Palestine is beyond horrifying. It’s genocide. No argument, there. But even a president who has to make a few speeches and small demands on how Israel is “starting to concern” or whatever gestures Biden has to make for optics, is better than a vindictive, bloodthirsty bigot who will, believe it or not, be more cruel if and when he can. That shouldn’t be hard to believe, but it is hard to wrap your head around when the topic is supporting genocide.

    TheFriar , (edited )

    So you think something that last happened nearly 40 years ago is relevant to how the world order seems to work today? Like, that’s literally right after the beginning of the deregulation spree that has lasted…through today.

    So much has changed in these last few decades. That just seems like a disingenuous comparison.

    And look, I’m not a democrat. I’m a near lifelong third party voter actually. But I voted third party in 2016 and I felt…guilty. For the first time in my life. It made me seriously question why I voted third party. I’m an anarchist. But I’m also a realist. And I don’t want people I know and care for and groups I see struggle every day to be thrown into the fire because it means I get to hold my head up high and say I’m above it. You and I probably agree on a whole lot, actually. But on this issue, one I’ve thought about for most of my life at this point, logically I can’t come to another conclusion—even if my confidence in this position wavers from time to time. Because I don’t support Biden. I know the democrats are a problematic organization that actually fueled the surge to the right. They actually profited from trump, so they have a vested interest in running against him over and over. Or getting him back in office, honestly. They raised so much money when trump was in office. Even when the republicans held both chambers and the White House, the democrats were amassing power by virtue of having a boogeyman.

    I know the path we’re on is due to the constant “lesser of two evils” choice we’re given. And it won’t lead us out of it. But neither will allowing trump and his true fascist party to get their hands back on the levers of power. More radical right wing Christo-fascist judges, probably another Supreme Court seat if a Republican is put back in office because I guarantee you Thomas will retire under the next Republican president. But maybe he’ll die in the next four years with a democrat in office. Think of how many harmful rulings that could stop.

    The genocide issue is the worst situation we could have to navigate. And it’s the worst one to have to put any sort of support behind. But it’s not the only issue. Right now, women have some states in which they can go for an abortion. That number is decreasing. What will women and the babies they don’t want do then? Trans people have some safe havens and some supporters in the democrats. Get the most vindictive, hot-button issue button presser back in office? That is suddenly much less meaningful when those supporters are just shouting into the void. Not to mention the climate emergency. Which…I can’t even imagine what four more years of trump appointments to the EPA would do.

    The choice to not vote for Biden isn’t doing the Palestinian people any good. In fact, it’ll probably be much, much worse for them under trump. You think it can’t get worse? It very much can. And it absolutely will if trump is the one they have in office. No more even subtle pressure from the US to try to salvage our own image. Just full steam ahead.

    I say again, it’s a selfish decision to throw your hands up and say “I can’t vote to protect people because what would that say about me?”

    TheFriar ,

    That’s so foolish. Things can absolutely get worse. And they would. There is some element of shame involved with the democrats, at least. Or, more an awareness of the optics. So that brings a level of hesitation and reticence to the support. And that actually matters. Bring someone with no shame and a slobbering throng of hateful, vocal supporters into the mix? How can you be so deluded to think that wouldn’t be worse.

    We all get it, the situation right now isn’t one we can support. But pushing a big boulder 10ft with teamwork and some simple machinery is much easier and somewhat doable, as opposed to pushing that same boulder 10,000ft with one hand, against the wind of a hurricane. The democrats are vulnerable on this. The republicans are not. Because they are immune to shame. They are immune to global pressure. To constituent input. To the concept of appearing somewhat decent.

    It’s not a good situation. In fact, it’s a bad situation. But it can always get worse.

    And that’s before we even discuss women’s healthcare, trans healthcare, the environment, appointing judges and justices, etc. There’s no other answer that could justify throwing all of the groups vulnerable to these issues under the bus. And even if it were like you say, that the Palestine situation can’t get any worse? You’d be literally throwing all of these groups under the bus for more of the same in Palestine anyway. So by your own logic, it makes sense to keep republicans out of office. So, conversation over, basically.

    TheFriar ,

    I’d disagree. The world won’t stop spinning if you make this valiant gesture. Everything will continue on as normal. Not voting doesn’t send a clear message. They’ll have analysts analyzing “what happened” for years. But nowhere will it be made clear that the one issue you decided to throw your hands up on everything else about was the actual reason you didn’t vote. It won’t change anything. Except for you not making a decision.

    It’s not a pleasant reality. But it’s the only one we have.

    TheFriar ,

    That’s incredibly wishful thinking. Remember 2016? How many years afterward were outlets still discussing “how did this happen?!” It was “working class whites” and it was “trump tapped into pro-worker rhetoric” and it was “Hillary didn’t visit michigian and Pennsylvania” and it was Cambridge analytica and it was anti establishment sentiments and blah blah blah. Things aren’t always as clear as you’d like them to be. Analysts actually study this shit and…I think you’d be surprised how not universal among the American voting populace this idea that Palestine is a major issue actually is. Most people don’t vote on issues. Or, if they do, it’s about a lot of issues. Single issue voters aren’t so ubiquitous in the data points. Because how exactly are you going to convey that this issue was the issue that changed your mind?

    Yeah, it can start to feel that way for us younger generations because we live online. But the majority of people don’t interact with politics this way. And those of us that do aren’t represented fully when the thinkpieces get written. The “uncommitted” movement in he primaries was a calculated effort to send a message, but it’s been repeated over and over how that attitude shouldn’t carry over into the general. So that momentum is now completely gone and that explanation for not voting for Biden is lost.

    You never responded to my point above though. If it’s the same for the Palestinian people either way, how can you justify sacrificing the communities trump and the republicans will target?

    TheFriar ,

    I assume that means you have no answer?

    TheFriar ,

    Along with what others have said, you’re also falling for the oil industry’s years long campaign to heave onto us the responsibility to fix the mess they created, knew about, covered up, and gaslighted everyone on.

    A group is having a real impact on the people and companies that are 85%-95% responsible for the mess we’re in…and you question the climate group? Like…that’s such weirdly unnecessary bootlicking. You probably don’t realize you’re doing it—or maybe you do, I dunno. But this is the same tactic used every single time a reporter is trying to discredit a spokesperson for any climate action group—the shitty conservative reporters too, like Pierce Morgan.

    So…you’re not in good company.

    TheFriar ,

    Yeah, of course it’s always good. No one is denying that.

    But my point is the context. Following an article about a climate group that is seeing positive results in hounding the fuck out of some of the assholes responsible, your reaction actually runs cover for the assholes. See what I’m saying?

    “Average citizen foils a home robbery as he’s walking by with his dog.”

    You: “pfft. But does he volunteer his time to help those people starving in his city?”

    Like, what the fuck? Yes, we all know it’s good to cut out what you can—it’s better to ride a bike than drive a car. It’s better to eat less meat than meat all the time. It’s better to be vegetarian than eat meat. It’s better to be vegan than vegetarian. But to say if you’re not doing ALL OF THE ABOVE, FUCK YOU doesn’t help anyone but the people truly responsible for the climate crisis. It’s turning your attention away from those who output megatonnes carbon into the atmosphere and who literally engineered the term “carbon footprint” to shift blame and focus away from them (which you have picked up the torch on, which is my point) and onto us, the people who don’t put out in a year what one of these companies is responsible for in a day or a week.

    Again, you’re not wrong, it’s great to do what you personally can, but in this context, you’re not proving that point. You’re saying, “oh yeah, well what’s your carbon footprint?! Did you make those signs out of recycled paper? Did you drive here to make this climate change denier face their crimes?!” For that, you kinda suck in this context. No offense.

    TheFriar ,

    I agree that the US is an imperialist force that is quick to revert to occupying land that isn’t theirs. But stationing troops around the world is a very, very common thing.

    TheFriar ,

    I mean…what? No. It’s just foolish to attribute this to something extraordinary about US imperialism. There are plenty of actual things about US imperialism that need criticizing. We live in a globalized world, whether we like it or not. Pointing to something that is otherwise completely ordinary about today’s world as something extraordinary is…stupid.

    I’m with you, I wish the world was full of anarcho-syndicalist peacemakers living in harmony. But we don’t. If we want this particular aspect to change about today’s world, we need to revert back to pre-industrial technology and a completely different world order. I’m all for that. But it’s not realistic right now.

    Like, I get what you’re saying. Military might of industrialized superpowers is troubling and I wish it didn’t exist. Shit, I wish the concept of states didn’t exist. But picking this out of the incredibly complex system of today is like…hating the concept of murder and saying, “look at all these ice picks!” Like…sure. Those things are tied together, but it’s just nonsensical to get hung up on this otherwise kinda normal thing.

    TheFriar ,

    That’s part of the billions and billions in defense the US and UK are supplying them with.

    TheFriar ,

    It’s a lot of things. Climate hopelessness, a political system that seems hellbent on maintaining this negative feedback loop, yes, the economic situation, but also a soulless life under late stage capitalism where it’s proven over and over again you matter less than a line going up, we are commodified at every turn, our personality traits are nothing more than economic indicators or data points to sell us more shit…we live in a hostile world. And it’s hostile by humanity’s own making. And it’s soulless by our own making. Maybe humans used to die at 25 by a mountain lion attack more frequently, but some kind of purpose was found in that survival life. Depression and anxiety and a feeling of pointlessness are capitalism-made.

    This problem seems so framed by experts as “why do these kids want to die?” When the question they should be asking is “what is society giving them to live for?”

    TheFriar ,

    Well, unfortunately there have been a few examples of 3rd party candidates definitively having an impact on the polls.

    TheFriar ,

    Yeah when I was reading that quoted blurb, i was definitely assuming they were gonna say he was a cop.

    TheFriar ,

    I mean, by your logic, wouldn’t hat turn every state into a swing state after the election? And does your advice only apply to a small group of people? Because, well, if it applied to everyone with problems with Biden (which is nearly everyone), it wouldn’t track logically.

    TheFriar ,

    I’m just saying, your logic only works if enough people dont follow it. That kind of makes it bad advice.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/rfk-fires-staffer-endorsed-trump-reelection-1235002839/

    When you’re aligning yourself with pro-fascists—or at least have the exact same tactics (minus an exception), you cannot be on the right side of history.

    I’ve been wrestling with this for my whole life. I was a young anarchist, I’ve been a third party voter most of that time. Now I’m an adult anarchist. And…I just can’t bring myself to do exactly what pro-fascists are pushing for people just like me to do.

    We all get it. The system is broken. Two party systems are doomed to be a road to fascism. We are reaching the end of that road. None of us can stomach what’s happening in Gaza. But gambling with an even more pro-genocide candidate winning just…can’t be tolerated. It doesn’t make emotional sense. Because we can’t stomach supporting someone who is participating in genocide. It hurts. But it’s kind of on us to bear the brunt of that conundrum because we are fighting bald-faced fascism. Getting to hold your head up high because you didn’t support the guy aiding in a genocide is a pretty small victory for gambling with the lives of Palestinian people. Trump wants to “finish” the situation in Gaza. And not in a good way.

    It’s a shitty situation for us to have to negotiate. But we’re not the ones gambling with our own lives. We’re gambling with the lives of trans people, women who need abortions, those living in poverty, the environment…just so we can “send a measage?”

    The system is arranged to keep third parties from being viable. Voting for them just doesn’t make sense, because there is no changing that without changing the system. Especially in this election. Because we are staring down the barrel of fascism, for one, and secondly, there isn’t enough support for the idea to really have the impact you want. It can only go bad. Waiting until the day of the election to send that message or put some plan to change things in place is so incredibly foolish when you consider all you’re gambling with. You want to change things? Put in the groundwork, year in, year out.

    All you’re doing is throwing extra danger into the pot and supporting the people who are pushing your same messaging in order to see trump win. Just…how can you justify it?

    TheFriar ,

    Do you think I’m wrong?

    I mean, I think you and I feel very similarly. We are disillusioned, angry, we feel hopeless. I’m not 100% in favor of my strategy. Because it means supporting someone I don’t actually support. But, having weighed the pros and cons, I just feel like there is so much to lose for vulnerable communities. And, on the whole, I feel most peoples’ true intentions in advocating for this are ultimately selfish. I’m not saying that is your motivation at all. You could very much be an idealist. But as a fellow idealist feeling the need to give into my realism as I get older, I find its best to sacrifice yourself and your own sense of idealistic purity for others—again, I’m not saying you’re doing the opposite. It’s a super complicated and shitty lose-lose scenario.

    I think I see this news article a little differently than you do…

    I agree that not all third party votes would otherwise be votes for Biden. But it’s been proven over and over and has been a Republican strategy for a long time to suppress turnout. Because they aren’t popular. Their ideas are terrible and no one actually likes them. Their supporters are just angry and want to hurt others.

    So my thinking is, if it’s a Republican strategy to push third party candidates, and it’s the third party candidates’ campaigns’ position that they are the only hope to defeat a vote against the fascist…I mean…they’re not like you and me basing our opinions mostly on rough approximations. They are looking at data that shows how this changes things. There are few things I trust republicans and antivax nutjobs on, but this subject is one of them—probably the only one.

    Doesn’t this with us or against us rhetoric feel odd to you?

    I get where you’re coming from. But that’s not the way I look at my position at all. If I were a democrat pushing this type of thinking with the motive of getting more votes for my preferred candidate, yeah, that’d be my problematic position.

    But I’m a leftist that has gone back and forth on this issue and debated it in my head for more than half of my life. I get what you’re saying, and sometimes I feel exactly how you feel.

    It’s just…a complicated issue and we are both looking at the same thing, seeing the same issues, and coming up with different answers. Literally, after your post I was thinking to myself, “well…I’m in NY. I…could probably do this.” But after 2016, I felt so much guilt, for the first time in my life, for voting third party. And that threw my entire view on the subject into doubt.

    I dunno. I don’t have the answer. And apologies if I seemed to have assumed you were a cishet white guy. They’re just usually the most likely to throw everyone else’s caution to the wind to advocate for their own ideas. Not that that’s what you were doing. Just that they always feel the most comfortable in being reckless with others’ safety and well-being.

    TheFriar ,

    I don’t know if we can trust her take on the issue. She’s got way too many family ties to be objective

    TheFriar ,

    But the point of a travel size isn’t the amount of product, but the size of the container. This is beyond stupid, before we even get into the unnecessary plastic waste

    TheFriar ,

    That’s…exactly what it is.

    TheFriar ,

    I have seen a lot older guys dating women under 18

    Ummm…you have?!?

    TheFriar ,

    How old are these guys you know that date 16-18year olds?

    TheFriar ,

    Well now, I’m not sure that’s the conclusion we can come to. I think this is a 33 year old trying to justify his desire to date a 16 year old.

    TheFriar ,

    Yeah I really, really like this

    TheFriar , (edited )

    Eh. It’s actually different. The popular position is that Israel the state is committing genocide. That’s not he same thing as saying “fuck Palestinians.” Because people aren’t saying “fuck Israelis.” They’re saying fuck Israel for what they’re doing.

    You seem to be implying the nimrods who, as I explained earlier, lack the concept of nuance and take anti-israel positions to the illogical extreme of just becoming antisemitic. It’s the same type of people who were assaulting anyone of Asian descent during Covid. You can’t lump everyone who was being careful not to get sick in with the people who were pushing old Asian women down the subway stairs.

    “Fuck Israel” means all Israelis

    What. No. It absolutely does not. That’s you being overly sensitive and basically misunderstanding a message. If I say “fuck the US” in the context of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, that doesn’t mean “fuck everyone from the US.” Thats such an illogical conclusion to come to.

    Also, I don’t know where you got your numbers, I can only find these figures about Netanyahu’s approval ratings in Israel:

    According to a survey of more than 700 people carried out by the Israel Democracy Institute this month, 57 percent of the public rates Netanyahu’s performance as “poor or very poor,” while only 28% believe it is “good or excellent.” 14% assess his performance as “so-so.”

    And this:

    On both questions, Israelis agree with Netanyahu: A poll last month by the Israel Democracy Institute found that nearly two-thirds of Israelis say Israel should “expand its military operations into Rafah.” A separate February poll by IDI found, by the same token, that 55% of Israelis oppose Palestinian statehood, compared to 37% who support it.

    https://en.idi.org.il/articles/53305

    This one survey is the source for those numbers, and it doesn’t paint as clear of a picture of not supporting Netanyahu. Now, this doesn’t mean anything about antisemitism. That’s always wrong. But my point is that, first off, you seem to be skewing numbers to make a point, unless you have data I can’t find. Secondly, you also seem to be falling in with that group of people who can’t grasp or don’t operate with any nuance. I can say fuck people who support the genocide, whether they are in Israel or elsewhere in the world. Because…it’s fucking genocide. That doesn’t mean I get to generalize about them and hate hem for unrelated qualities, like their religion or skin color. But I can hate their beliefs about what’s happening. It’s all about nuance. It’s very fucking important.

    TheFriar ,

    But that doesn’t change anything. If anything, wouldn’t that make it different than saying “fuck Palestine?” Because you’re basically saying fuck the idea of a Palestinian state. But if you say “fuck Israel,” you’re very clearly designating the state itself as the problem.

    Also, I wasn’t conflating those figures. I was citing a more recent poll that gave more context, as well as updated job favorability numbers. The poll you’re citing isn’t measuring favorability, but percentage of Israelis that want Netanyahu to “stay in office after the war in Gaza ends.”

    keep your prejudices away from the Palestinian and Israeli people.

    But that’s my entire point. There isn’t prejudice in saying “fuck Israel.” You’re projecting that onto the message. Your entire thing started with complaining that people are “anti-Israel” in a community. So I’m really just not even sure your point anymore.

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