Today I Learned

Etterra , in TIL sailing ships commonly moved around without wind by warping

I'm a little sad that I didn't get to see the HMS Enterprise with warp nacelles.

LesserAbe , in TIL sailing ships commonly moved around without wind by warping

Would love to hear an expert talk be about this more. It's an interesting idea, but seems like it would be limited in usefulness to small adjustments.

essell ,

I guess it would be valuable in shallow water, less useful in the deep ocean, and overall better than being stuck in one place!

roguetrick OP , (edited )

I stumbled on it when figuring out just how the hell tall ships docked and undocked without tugs. Turns out they did use tugs in the form of rowboats but they also extensively used shoreside rigging and warping.

Edit: and I should add, they very rarely actually docked in the first place because it was such a pain in the ass, so they used tenders instead mostly

themeatbridge ,

This also bugs me in movies whenever someone is kicked off the boat, but they're given a small rowboat and some provisions. Like, that wasn't an extra boat. It serves a purpose on the ship, and everything that takes up space on a boat is precious. A "spare" rowboat could be the difference between life and a horrible death. It could be months before they find a port where they can buy a replacement rowboat.

RoyalEngineering ,

Yeah me too. I tried searching around but it's hard to find something that's not sci-fi related about this topic. It might also be called "kledging" from what I read, but not sure if that's the exact same thing.

ValenThyme ,

As a sailboat enthusiast kedging is most often used as in the case of poor Blackbeard when you get caught up on something and need to move a small bit in a direction that's against the wind or water. So usually just trying to get unstuck when you've run afoul of hidden sand bars or the tide shift leaves you in an awkward spot. You also might do it to help set an extra anchor if you're worried about drifting on the tides.

Even deep water boats only have a few hundred feet of anchor rode and line and it takes a while and is a hassle to kedge out with your dinghy.

I have never in all my years of boating seen anyone do it as a method of general propulsion outside of just handling lines at the dock. It's just sometimes your best shot.

CetaceanNeeded ,

I had no idea this had a name! When I was a small child we lived by the coast and my dad had a small yacht, one day I remember the keel lodged on a sandbar and he used the anchor to pull it free. Unfortunately we moved inland when I was 5 and dad sold the yacht.

delirious_owl , in TIL sailing ships commonly moved around without wind by warping
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How does one "throw" an anchor tho

victorz ,

If you do it in water it's not as heavy.

captain_aggravated ,
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Kolanaki ,
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roguetrick OP ,

Try piercing but hole.

KillingTimeItself ,

simply put it into a canon.

delirious_owl ,
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Does one simply throw a boat anchor with a cannon??

roguetrick OP ,

We'll just use a howitzer to launch the ring into mount doom.

Beldarofremulak ,

Hear me out

Trebuchet

XTL ,

I would definitely like to see a ship propel itself using a trebuchet and a windlass. Not enough to try building one, but still.

roguetrick OP ,

I bet you could get a bunch of money for a CGI prototype of your new green cargo ship.

delirious_owl ,
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Doesn't this defy the laws of physics?

gnu , (edited )

A trebuchet primarily transforms downward motion (of the counterweight) into forward motion, so it would actually work - the trebuchet doesn't push the ship back as much as it pushes its load forward. This is particularly so if your trebuchet has wheels and you have room on your ship to accommodate it rocking back and forth when firing.

Edit: Thinking about it this technique would work even with something that does impart equal backwards force on the ship when firing a projectile, because there is considerably more force involved in winching the ship towards the anchor than what is involved in actually moving the anchor. You aren't pulling against the inertia of a free floating anchor after all, you're pulling against the ground the anchor has hooked into.

roguetrick OP ,

Not only that, you're using the friction between the anchor and the seafloor, so even the recoil of a propulsive ballista will allow you to perform work.

gnu ,

Indeed, I just realised that point - the force of propelling the anchor is tiny compared to what you can exert on the ship once the anchor is hooked.

roguetrick OP ,

I've got a really wild idea: what if you change the shape of the anchor so that it's actually getting resistance against the water itself instead of having to hit the sea floor. You'll have to pull it out if the water once you're done moving it and then drop it in again. Maybe put it on the end of a big stick. I'm thinking about calling this type of anchor an "oar."

KillingTimeItself ,

i would presume that would be what one is to do. It seems the logical solution here.

milicent_bystandr ,

A very strong Scottish guy

sem , in TIL sailing ships commonly moved around without wind by warping

Wait till he hears about looms!

roguetrick OP ,

Hey warp and weft is why I mentioned threading a needle across the sea.

milicent_bystandr , in TIL sailing ships commonly moved around without wind by warping

Have to admit, after reading the title I double checked the community for 'onion'!

FiniteBanjo ,

"Prepare to travel by warp."

"Captain, that will set us back days!"

milicent_bystandr ,

something-something dimensional anchor

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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Commencing the naval operation by tooting my Warp Whistle

roguetrick OP ,

Thank you Boatswain Underpants. Keep up the good work.

kerrigan778 , in TIL humans are the only animal with a chin. We aren't sure why.

Huh, I figured it was to protect the throat since we don't have fur.

skeptomatic , in TIL sailing ships commonly moved around without wind by warping

Pipe lay (etc) anchor barges do this today.
There are usually six to 8 anchor winches on the vessel. A tug comes to the barge, picks up the anchor and moves it out to some point while the winch unreels. Repeat for other anchors. Winch in to move the vessel.
This is used for precision movement/placement of the barge.
Many vessels use azipods and Dynamic Positioning System (DPS) these days.
But before DPS much of offshore infrastructure was placed by anchor barges.

roguetrick OP , (edited )

Those vessels have truly advanced warp drives.

skeptomatic ,

Depends on the quality of the dilithium crystals..

errer , in TIL humans are the only animal with a chin. We aren't sure why.

Yet again proving Chads are the pinnacle of evolution

Liz ,

Everything alive today is the pinnacle of evolution.

DannyBoy ,

A chihuahua is not a pinnacle of anything.

AstralPath ,

Dude, don't disparage the chihuahua. They're the pinnacle of anxiety; something many of us can relate with.

niktemadur ,

Nah, I'm of the view that evolution doesn't grow upwards, but sudeways. We are at the edge.

FlyingSquid , in TIL humans are the only animal with a chin. We aren't sure why.
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Of course we know why. So that evolution could result in the universe's most perfect being.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/48703d5b-ad62-4790-a35a-e9468378a33a.png

Timecircleline ,

Groovy

MonkderDritte ,

Of course we know why. So that evolution could result in the universe's most perfect being patchwork.

dditty ,
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niktemadur ,

If Chins Could Kill

niktemadur , in TIL humans are the only animal with a chin. We aren't sure why.

So humans are also the only animal that can hear chin music?

hark , in TIL humans are the only animal with a chin. We aren't sure why.
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What else would I stroke while thinking? 🤔

SkybreakerEngineer , in TIL sailing ships commonly moved around without wind by warping

But where did they get the dilithium?

Tja ,

Two lithium rocks

pantyhosewimp , in TIL humans are the only animal with a chin. We aren't sure why.

But why did we evolve a hook & loop clasp to hold the top of our skull closed?

MintyAnt ,

It was a defense against the now extinct Brain Scooping Gorilla

ChaoticEntropy ,
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I hear some people are born with just a solid skull with no hinges, it makes me so uncomfortable.

SankaraStone , in TIL humans are the only animal with a chin. We aren't sure why.
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Would you mate with somebody who didn't have a chin? Chins are sexy.

MindTraveller ,

Why are chins sexy?

SuddenDownpour ,

Because otherwise you might be mating with a Neanderthal.

Tak ,
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By DNA analysis that was completely on the table till they went extinct.

SuddenDownpour ,

No "till", plenty of living beings have vestigial elements that were positive at some point of their history, yet no longer are, but are still maintained because there isn't evolutionary pressure to get rid of them.

Tak ,
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"They" was towards neanderthals not vestigial elements. They are extinct.

SuddenDownpour ,

Homo Sapiens develop a mutation XYZ that makes them not be attracted towards Neanderthals -> Neanderthals go extinct -> XYZ is NOW vestigial.

Tak , (edited )
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The genes were from Neanderthals not to make them unattractive and they're also not vestigial. One is a very common gene related to blood clotting and can cause a higher risk of heart disease.

In other words, humans were fucking Neanderthals and we know it because of DNA. If they had never gone extinct it is without question the boinking would have continued.

Kacarott ,

Because they make people want to mate with you

delirious_owl ,
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Why do they make people want to mate with me?

CoggyMcFee ,

Because they’re sexy. We’ve been over this.

Hotzilla ,

Same as boobs, Human female breasts are mainly sexual, they are too large for babies to feed.

delirious_owl ,
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I'm Asian and this is not true for my breasts, tyvm

Holyginz ,

I refuse to believe that someone is dumb enough to actually believe this.

Hotzilla ,

What? No other mammal has breasts like human females, and they are full of touch senses unlike other. They are clearly part of human sexuality.

Swedneck ,
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did you have a stroke and forget the second part of your comment?

Holyginz ,

I'm pretty sure they did.

set_secret ,

Elephants do for a start.

Snowclone ,

I'm sorry, but this isn't correct, adult human females have breasts to hide when they are in estrus, by always being swollen, it's called hidden estrose, it's a whole thing. This has a lot of data backing it up. I KNOW I'M SPELLING IT WRONG! PROOFREADING IS THE LAST RETREAT OF COWARDS!!!!

rob_t_firefly ,
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they are too large for babies to feed.

Then it seems I must have seen some of them fake it really convincingly for some reason.

brbposting , in TIL sailing ships commonly moved around without wind by warping

I’ve been kedging for hours and I still don’t think I’m close

Imagine actually moving like this. “Here little ship, take our anchor, we can move another 100 meters and only have to repeat a million times”

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