futurebird ,
@futurebird@sauropods.win avatar

Someone on tumblr posted this survey to get the math people all riled up and I think it's working.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdMDLd0lCFZtwIDPU9VDRxQ0FCVAlpCML3j-Cfbfsf2S0S1hg/viewform

edavies ,
@edavies@functional.cafe avatar

@futurebird Of the few I understood, 43 comes closest to an ambiguity that annoys me. What does sin²x mean?

I've seen it used for both. If it's the first answer to 43 then it must also be my first answer below, mustn't it?

My sister (independently) asked one of her mathematical physics lecturers about it and he said it was obvious from the context. Super!

Also, what does x/y/z mean? (x/y)/z or x/(y/z)? One of my computer science lecturers said it was formally undefined (by a vote at some mathematical congress or something) but I've not been able to find a reference.

futurebird OP ,
@futurebird@sauropods.win avatar

@edavies

When using an exponent to apply a function more than once it should be in parenthesis. IMO

cavyherd ,
@cavyherd@wandering.shop avatar

@futurebird

I don't know most of the jargon, & this is hilarious 😂

futurebird OP ,
@futurebird@sauropods.win avatar

@cavyherd

People are MAD. Have some respect.

desperately trying not to smile
🤨🥴😡

cavyherd ,
@cavyherd@wandering.shop avatar

@futurebird

Well I mean Opinions, amirite? 😁

futurebird OP , (edited )
@futurebird@sauropods.win avatar

OK. What am I missing. Who the heck thinks 1/x is continuous?

Or do they mean... continuous on the domain of definition? (edit for clarity )

TerryHancock ,
@TerryHancock@realsocial.life avatar

@futurebird

What exactly does "domain of definition" mean?

Could that be "where x > 0 or x < 0" (I.e. excluding x=0, where x is undefined)?

As opposed to, say, a step-function, where it has discontinuities at every integer, but is defined everywhere?

petealexharris ,
@petealexharris@mastodon.scot avatar

@futurebird

You can do all the things to it that you're allowed to do with continuous functions as long as you are only looking at an interval that doesn't cross zero?

futurebird OP ,
@futurebird@sauropods.win avatar

@petealexharris

Yeah let's ignore the most interesting part of the function. Great.

glitzersachen ,

@futurebird @petealexharris

It's difficult I seem to remember to talk about continuity without starting "continuous in x if for ever epsilon there is a small intervall around x , etc etc".

The function is "smooth" everywhere where it's defined. One has to admit this.

jayalane ,
@jayalane@mastodon.online avatar

@futurebird @petealexharris its tail towards infinity is interesting too as it is a classic example of a function that isn’t integrable from one to infinity. Even around zero, In a complex function context, it is infinitely differentiable with a well behaved pole at zero. Compare it to e^(1/z) or sin(1/z).

ptrsinclair ,
@ptrsinclair@mstdn.ca avatar

@futurebird There are situations when I find it useful to define continuous as "continuous where defined", but I would never expect continuous to mean that out of context.

llewelly ,
@llewelly@sauropods.win avatar

@futurebird
1/x is continuous iff x is in the set of surreal donut numbers. : )

barrygoldman1 ,
@barrygoldman1@sauropods.win avatar

@futurebird as opposed to not continous ANYWHERE it is defined, like

f(x) = 0 if x is rational
=1 if x is irrational

defined everywhere, continuous nowhere

for 1/x i think the point is tat if defined from R->R there is NO way to MAKE it continuous at 0

i think if you extend it to the complex numbers there is a way... i don't remember how it works.

f(x) =(x-1)/(x^2-1) CAN be defined to be continous at x=1

anyway that's how i'd look at things

oantolin ,
@oantolin@mathstodon.xyz avatar

@futurebird Well, in those people's defense: where else would a function be continuous other than on its domain?

sonata ,
@sonata@im-in.space avatar

@futurebird It's continuous if you're using the projective reals :)

linebyline ,
@linebyline@bytetower.social avatar

@futurebird Well, it's clearly continuing to make people upset.

Plus, according to the very reliable lists of facts I received via e-mail in the 90s, 1/x is continuous when measured by Chuck Norris, or Ninjas, or specifically Ninja Turtles.

SylviaFysica ,
@SylviaFysica@scholar.social avatar

@futurebird A philosophical question in 50. (I wrote a paper on it!)

feonixrift ,
@feonixrift@hackers.town avatar

@futurebird omgs 27 LMAO… I have So Many More Opinions than I realized...

SchwarzeLocke ,
@SchwarzeLocke@ohai.social avatar

@futurebird I loved to fill that out, because in university I got too confused by some sources using different or even conflicting notations. Especially if a professor introduced it one way, and then in the homework there was a single task which used a different notation, that was never shown before.

jaccovanschaik ,
@jaccovanschaik@mastodon.nl avatar

@futurebird 25 should have another option "along the -z axis" so the aeronautical engineers can join in 🙂

dx ,
@dx@social.ridetrans.it avatar

@futurebird Maybe a third of these I haven’t encountered, and the lion’s share of the rest I have no strong opinion about, but there’s about 10% of them that I am livid about the “alternatives” even being included. It was an illuminating experience regardless, because I discovered some conventions I follow without even realizing I was.

llewelly ,
@llewelly@sauropods.win avatar

@futurebird
oh, and the fifth octant is buried a hop, a skip, and a jump away from the fifth elephant, and it is a terrible cross between an octopus and an ant, and probably the source of the dungeon dimensions.

llewelly ,
@llewelly@sauropods.win avatar

@futurebird
most of these, I can accept either way, so long as a given book or document spells out which convention they're following, and sticks to it consistently. But people who think f(x)=3 is "increasing" are not just wrong, they're spreading misinformation, and probably cackling with gleeful evil as they do so.

cavyherd ,
@cavyherd@wandering.shop avatar

@futurebird

@jonsinger, I somehow suspect you might find this amusing.

komos ,
@komos@queer.party avatar

@futurebird
This is just the replies you get back from a maths cutie when you get them flustered

futurebird OP ,
@futurebird@sauropods.win avatar

@komos

Opq uwu

bertwells ,
@bertwells@mathstodon.xyz avatar

@futurebird Continuity is a point-wise property. "Is f(x)=1/x is continuous?" doesn't contain the information needed to answer the question, because "Where are you askin'?" what any proper Real Analyst would ask next.

There are more restrictive continuity properties, like Uniform Continuity, that are global, rather than point-wise, but that is a different discussion.

oantolin ,
@oantolin@mathstodon.xyz avatar

@futurebird Wow! All the classics together in one survey! I'm not surprised it riles people up.

barrygoldman1 ,
@barrygoldman1@sauropods.win avatar

@futurebird bored me.

dpnash ,
@dpnash@c.im avatar

@futurebird Not a mathematician here, merely math-adjacent in school (chemistry with a relatively large extra dose of physics), but I recognize enough of these to grimace at more than a few of them, and I damn near lost it laughing at 100 (I'm on team "third answer" for that one).

OscarCunningham ,
@OscarCunningham@mathstodon.xyz avatar

@futurebird For the name of the sequence a₁, a₂, a₃, …, did anyone else answer 'a'?

glitzersachen ,

@futurebird

This is pure evil. Somebody will have to do penance for that. A lot.

christianp ,
@christianp@mathstodon.xyz avatar

@futurebird that is an impressively long list!

futurebird OP ,
@futurebird@sauropods.win avatar

This is the source of the survey:

https://cims.nyu.edu/~tjl8195

grumpasaurus ,
@grumpasaurus@fosstodon.org avatar

@futurebird so where did you bury the bodies of your fellow survey takers

futurebird OP ,
@futurebird@sauropods.win avatar

@grumpasaurus

Those who answer incorrectly on the math survey shall be upgraded in purpose to feed 'the girls' ... thus we all contribute in our way.

snork303 ,
@snork303@toot.community avatar

@futurebird
I am confident that I answered the last question correctly.

gi124 ,
@gi124@mastodon.social avatar

@futurebird I'd like to see response statistics....

dimsumthinking ,
@dimsumthinking@mastodon.social avatar

@futurebird Really? except for the very few where there were actual right answers I found myself not caring much - that more than one was acceptable.

kechpaja ,
@kechpaja@social.kechpaja.com avatar

@futurebird There may need to be a version of this for linguists at some point.

futurebird OP ,
@futurebird@sauropods.win avatar

@kechpaja

Blood would run in the streets

glowl ,
@glowl@chaos.social avatar

@futurebird Where did they get my collection of all the questions i had and would have about notation and agreements among mathematicians from?!

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