mastodonmigration ,
@mastodonmigration@mastodon.online avatar

Ok, Biden had a bad debate, but let's talk about a much much bigger problem.

The media seems to have decided that it is ok to be a shameless, obvious and deliberate liar in order to win a debate.

This is the same thing as referees determining that obvious, deliberate cheating is ok to win a game.

Sporting contests don't work if the refs permit cheating, and democratic politics doesn't work if the media permits rank dishonesty.

The media is failing our democracy.

smxi ,
@smxi@fosstodon.org avatar

@mastodonmigration in USA 5 corporations own most media people see though with online content that is a bit more complicated now. They are all businesses except PBS. News used to be a loss leader then morphed into a profit center. No idea how that gets fixed. I know I avoid corporate media for news or analysis except maybe for real business and specialist stuff that need info to be reasonably factual. Getting rid of foreign owned propaganda bullhorns like the Murdoch trash would help.

BlueDot ,
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@mastodonmigration

Fascists aren't here to debate. They aren't trying to explain what they stand for. They aren't trying to compete in the marketplace of ideas.

They are here to take power and exert totalitarian control. They do it with propaganda, and with violence.

CNN definitely made this debate worse, but it was a fundamental mistake to agree to a debate with a at all.


@BruceMirken @drahardja @Tharpa @punishmenthurts @havvyhh2 @Chris_MS @stargazersmith

marioivargas ,
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@mastodonmigration Are we trying to imply that lying war criminals debating Trump is finally bottom of the barrel?

rejzor ,
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@mastodonmigration How is Trump even allowed to run for president? Wasn't he actually convicted in court?

KarunaX ,
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@mastodonmigration The focus on the Biden-Trump debate that I have seen is worse than woeful. I have yet to see even one post where the policy differences of the 2 parties was identified and discussed. It’s insane to talk about who did or did not perform well, or lie, and ignore the main game - what policies do these parties intend to introduce? Policies are far more important than the personalities of the Party figureheads.

rood ,
@rood@aus.social avatar

@mastodonmigration good luck not having a bad debate against Trump. His whole repertoire was stacked with propaganda and diatribe, without any inclinations in the spirit of debate.

HannesBoekhoff ,
@HannesBoekhoff@norden.social avatar

@mastodonmigration Well, observing the reports concerning the debate from Germany, I read many reports and opinion pieces like the one from NYT posted below. The critizism of Trump being the Republican candidate still is harsh.

But I don’t watch US TV.

mastodonmigration OP ,
@mastodonmigration@mastodon.online avatar

@HannesBoekhoff

Thanks for sharing this piece. Had not seen it. Spot on. Unfortunately, at least yesterday, the media was focused on Biden's clumsy debate performance and not on Trump's lies. This seems to be shifting now as the media begins to take the temperature of a public horrified by the Trump they witnessed. We shall see.

JohnSullivan ,
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@mastodonmigration Kafaybe will soon be adjudicated as law precedent by TFG’s Supreme White Christian Nationalist Court.

ALL media shall be required to follow along or be punished out of business for lack of loyalty to the dictator. Oligarchs and their party can’t turn America into Russia fast enough.

Luna ,
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@mastodonmigration They really are failing the American people.

AnOldGuy ,
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@mastodonmigration “But, but….we must present both sides!”

eldubuu ,
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@mastodonmigration

The owners, shareholders, publishers and editors of corporate media have only ever cared about access, power & profits.

To the extent they ever cared about how societies are governed, it is only in the context of how it effects their access, power and profits.

jameslglueck ,
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stargazersmith ,
@stargazersmith@social.linux.pizza avatar

@mastodonmigration
A very good way of describing what CNN did.

18+ Frances_Larina ,
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@mastodonmigration

Trump makes them a lot more money. He's good for a headline a day, easy.

Cotopaxi ,
@Cotopaxi@mstdn.social avatar

@mastodonmigration Yeah.... I feel like I just watched the Olympic Committee hand Tonya Harding the gold because assaulting Nancy Kerrigan showed competitive initiative, and they really didn't want to see Kerrigan win anyway.

TAI ,
@TAI@mstdn.social avatar

@mastodonmigration I think it's foolish anymore to believe there is a form of media that serves the general public. Even on it's face it's absurd given who owns and wields it. Seen from the perspective that their primary function is to condition the public to accept things that only serve the select few, the media does an outstanding job. Convincing people they have a stake, a player in the game, when the goal is already predetermined. Give them the slow horse

skippy442 ,
@skippy442@mastodon.social avatar

@mastodonmigration
CNN is media? I don't think that CNN is media or journalism. CNN is a juvenile attempt at pretending to be relevant. CNN is old and stale and how in hell did CNN manage to bribe their way into a presidential debate? ridiculous format, braindead moderators, and as I understand it, one wasted bullshit of a presentation. I believe that CNN is acronym for Crap Nauseating Neocons.

NoctisEqui ,
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@mastodonmigration
That’s been part of the plan for a long time now.

punishmenthurts ,
@punishmenthurts@neurodifferent.me avatar

@mastodonmigration
.
a billion tweets begging, "the media," who are the seven guys who are exactly the enemy to do the right thing is failing our democracy

mastodonmigration OP ,
@mastodonmigration@mastodon.online avatar

@punishmenthurts

Not begging the media. Completely understand that "the seven guys are not our friend." In order to address a problem, we need to clearly identify it. The media's tacit acceptance of Trump's dishonesty is a very big problem. So, how do we address it?

libramoon ,
@libramoon@mastodon.social avatar

@mastodonmigration @punishmenthurts

stop supporting pro-lie media and find and support pro-truth media -- with the vast diversity out there we know some are pro-truth

havvyhh2 ,
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@mastodonmigration cannot find a single op-ed demanding that the lying, delusional, felon, insurrectionist, rapist presumptive MAGA Republican should step down. Not one.

Tharpa ,
@Tharpa@hear-me.social avatar

@mastodonmigration The media doesn't care about democracy, it cares about ratings, and money. They have that in common with Trump.

mastodonmigration OP ,
@mastodonmigration@mastodon.online avatar

@Tharpa

Yes, and that's a very big problem.

Tharpa ,
@Tharpa@hear-me.social avatar

@mastodonmigration Enlightened voters could override media, by educating themselves, and voting against the media's champion - Trump.

StevenSavage ,
@StevenSavage@sfba.social avatar

@mastodonmigration oh yeah. We can write the media off.

drahardja ,
@drahardja@sfba.social avatar

@mastodonmigration Who funds the media?

It explains a lot about what they do.

mastodonmigration OP ,
@mastodonmigration@mastodon.online avatar

@drahardja

This is why what we saw last night is such a crisis. Democracy relies on a free press. Once the media becomes captured, fascism follows.

drahardja ,
@drahardja@sfba.social avatar

@mastodonmigration IMO politicians also need to anticipate what the press will do. I have no idea why Biden would even appear in a debate with Trump, because it merely legitimizes Trump and gives him another national platform to spew his lies (which he predictably did).

Biden should have anticipated the garbage media coverage and declined, and gone on the offensive, saying that Biden doesn’t debate with convicted felons and rapists, or something along those lines. Don’t give the media material for their garbage coverage.

mastodonmigration OP ,
@mastodonmigration@mastodon.online avatar

@drahardja

All this may be true. Biden should have been much better prepared for the Gish gallop (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop). But, the role of the media in permitting such a free flow of unchecked, uncorrected, lies and disinformation on a national stage, is still a major issue. Both are true.

LALegault ,
@LALegault@newsie.social avatar

@mastodonmigration @drahardja

Do you honestly not think 7 days at Camp David with a world-class political team who has years of experience in debate that he was ill prepared?

mastodonmigration OP ,
@mastodonmigration@mastodon.online avatar

@LALegault @drahardja

Not trying to excuse his performance or blame any of his handlers. Whatever was done in those 7 days, it didn't work. And yes, it is a very big problem that he does not seem capable of prevailing in such a forum.

Another issue, and the one this post addresses, is the willing acceptance of rank dishonesty by Trump on the national debate stage.

Both can be true.

drahardja ,
@drahardja@sfba.social avatar

@mastodonmigration @LALegault With Trump on the stage, one can rest assured that whatever is discussed will not be substantive (the moderator isn’t going to help). When you remove substance from the content, you’re left with stage performance, completely detached from reality. In that format, Trump excels, because he’s a master bullshitter.

IMO Biden performed badly, precisely because nobody cared about substance.

Craktok ,
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BruceMirken ,
@BruceMirken@mas.to avatar

@mastodonmigration And have been since at least 2015.

mastodonmigration OP ,
@mastodonmigration@mastodon.online avatar

@BruceMirken

But it is getting worse. Last night was remarkable in that the truth was nowhere to be found, and the media was totally unconcerned about the firehose of lies. Trump seems to have groomed them to simply ignore the veracity of everything he says. Everything. No rules. This is how the media functions in fascist dictatorships.

BruceMirken ,
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@mastodonmigration No question that simply decided not to even try to do journalism last night. But media dereliction of duty started as soon as they saw Trump was good for ratings. Once you start down a waterslide, you're kind of committed.

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