GossiTheDog ,
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For those who aren’t aware, Microsoft have decided to bake essentially an infostealer into base Windows OS and enable by default.

From the Microsoft FAQ: “Note that Recall does not perform content moderation. It will not hide information such as passwords or financial account numbers."

Info is stored locally - but rather than something like Redline stealing your local browser password vault, now they can just steal the last 3 months of everything you’ve typed and viewed in one database.

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GossiTheDog OP ,
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I've written up my thoughts on the Copilot Recall feature in Microsoft Copilot+ PCs

I think it will enable fraud and endanger users, and is not the sign of a company who are committed to security first.

https://doublepulsar.com/how-the-new-microsoft-recall-feature-fundamentally-undermines-windows-security-aa072829f218

GossiTheDog OP ,
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The UK’s ICO have opened an investigation into Copilot+ Recall. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwwqp6nx14o

GossiTheDog OP ,
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Copilot+ Recall has been enabled by default globally in Microsoft Intune managed users, for businesses.

You need to enable DisableAIDataAnalysis to switch it off. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/client-management/manage-recall

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Here’s Copilot+ Recall search in action, showing instant text based search finding a WhatsApp chat and a PDF from 6 months ago being viewed on screen.

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Two quick updates -

A) if you disallow recording of a website in Control Panel or GPO, in Chrome it is still recorded - disallow recording only works in Edge browser

B) Firefox and Tor Browser is recorded always, including in private mode - the exception is Hollywood DRM’d videos

GossiTheDog OP ,
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I got ahold of the Copilot+ software.

Recall uses a bunch of services themed CAP - Core AI Platform. Enabled by default.

It spits constant screenshots (the product brands then “snapshots”, but they’re hooked screenshots) into the current user’s AppData as part of image storage.

The NPU processes them and extracts text, into a database file.

The database is SQLite, and you can access it as the user including programmatically. It 100% does not need physical access and can be stolen.

GossiTheDog OP ,
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And if you didn’t believe me.. found this on TikTok.

There’s an MSFT employee in the background saying “I don’t know if the team is going to be very happy…”

They should probably be transparent about it, rather than telling BBC News you’d need to be physically at the PC to hack it (not true). Just a thought.

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GossiTheDog OP ,
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I ponder if Microsoft's engineers are following the SQLite code of ethics, since they're using it in Windows OS with Copilot+ Recall? :D https://sqlite.org/codeofethics.html

GossiTheDog OP ,
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So the code underpinning Copilot+ Recall includes a whole bunch of Azure AI backend code, which has ended up in the Windows OS. It also has a ton of API hooks for user activity monitoring.

Apps themselves can also search and make themselves more searchable.

It opens a lot of attack surface.

The semantic search element is fun.

They really went all in with this and it will have profound negative implications for the safety of people who use Microsoft Windows.

GossiTheDog OP ,
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If you want to know where tech companies are with AI safety, know Microsoft Recall won’t record screenshots of DRM’d movies..

..but will record screenshots of your financial records and WhatsApp messages, as corporate interests were prioritised over user safety.

And it’s enabled by default.

GossiTheDog OP ,
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I’ve managed to get Recall working in full on a non-Copilot+ system, without an NPU. Will accelerate testing.

GossiTheDog OP ,
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Copilot+ Recall feature pop quiz:

You deal with a sensitive matter on my Windows PC. E.g. an email you delete. Does Copilot Recall still store the deleted email?

Answer: yes. There's no feature to delete screenshots of things you delete while using your PC. You would have to remember to go and purge screenshots that Recall makes every few seconds.

If you or a friend use disappearing messages in WhatsApp, Signal etc, it is recorded regardless.

GossiTheDog OP ,
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It comes up a lot as people are rightly confused, but if you wonder what problem Microsoft are trying to solve with Recall:

It isn't them being evil, it's business leaders who are middle aged and can't remember what they're doing driving decision making about which problems to solve.

A huge amount of business leaders are dudes who have no idea what the fuck is happening. This leads to the Recall feature.

Microsoft exists in and is driven by that bubble.

GossiTheDog OP ,
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I asked Microsoft Copilot to write a song about Copilot+ Recall.

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GossiTheDog OP ,
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Managed to find out how BBC News printed in a headline story that it was not possible to steal Recall data without being physically at the device (which is false) - this is from the journalist:

GossiTheDog OP ,
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Some screenshots of Recall's SQLite database here: https://mastodon.social/@detective/112513529733646088

Just to clarify, I can access it without SYSTEM too. Microsoft are about to set cybersecurity back a decade by empowering cyber criminals via poor AI safety. Feature ships in a few weeks.

GossiTheDog OP ,
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The latest Risky Business episode on Recall is good, but one small correction - it doesn’t need SYSTEM rights.

Here’s a video of two MSFT employees gaining access to the Recall database folder - with SQLite database right there. Watch their hacking skills. (You don’t need to go this length as an attacker, either). Cc @riskybusiness

I’m not being hyperbolic when I say this is the dumbest cybersecurity move in a decade. Good luck to my parents safely using their PC.

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GossiTheDog OP ,
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Stealing everything you’ve ever typed or viewed on your own Windows PC is now possible with two lines of code — inside the Copilot+ Recall disaster.

My look at the feature, FAQs from the community etc

https://doublepulsar.com/recall-stealing-everything-youve-ever-typed-or-viewed-on-your-own-windows-pc-is-now-possible-da3e12e9465e

GossiTheDog OP ,
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this is the out of box experience for Windows 11's new Recall feature on Copilot+ PCs. It's enabled by default during setup and you can't disable it directly here. There is an option to tick "open Settings after setup completes so I can manage my Recall preferences" instead.

HT @tomwarren

GossiTheDog OP ,
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You allow BYOD so people can pick up webmail and such. It’s okay, because when they leave you revoke their access, and your MDM removes all business data from the machine ✅

What the employee does: opens Recall, searches their email, files etc and pastes the data elsewhere.

Nothing is removed from Recall, as it is a photographic memory of everything the former employee did.

GossiTheDog OP ,
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Just in time for Copilot+ Recall!

GossiTheDog OP ,
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Security and privacy researchers - You can now install Copilot+ Recall on any ARM hardware (doesn’t need an NPU) or in Azure VMs.

Guide from @detective

The devices launch THIS MONTH to customers so I suggest people look at this.

https://github.com/thebookisclosed/AmperageKit

GossiTheDog OP ,
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Nvidia just announced that Copilot+ and Recall are coming to AMD systems. https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/2/24169568/microsoft-copilot-plus-gaming-pc-nvidia-amd

GossiTheDog OP ,
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Somebody made a tool called Total Recall to dump Recall database and screenshots. https://x.com/xaitax/status/1797349055917416457?s=46

GossiTheDog OP ,
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Recent DHS published report handed to the US President which said it had "identified a series of Microsoft operational and strategic decisions that collectively pointed to a corporate culture that deprioritized enterprise security investments and rigorous risk management"

Microsoft: let’s use AI to screenshot everything users do every 5 seconds, OCR the screenshots, make it searchable and store it in AppData!

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GossiTheDog OP ,
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Searching Recall database for passwords with @awakecoding

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GossiTheDog OP ,
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If anybody is wondering if you can enable Recall on a machine remotely without Copilot+ hardware support - yep.

I’ve also found a way to disable the tray icon.

GossiTheDog OP ,
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I went and looked at YouTube for Recall to get out of the echo chamber and I can only find one positive video. Even the people at the event are slating it, including people with media provided Copilot+ PCs.

There’s some content creators who’ve realised it records their credit cards, so they’re making videos of their cards going walkies.

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GossiTheDog OP ,
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It’s going to be interesting to see how Microsoft get out of this one. They may have contractual commitments to ship Recall with external parties.

I thought they were risking crashing the Copilot brand with this one, but I was wrong looking at the videos and comments on them - I think they’re crashing the Windows consumer brand.

The reaction to photographic memory of what people do at home has - you’ll be surprised to know - not been seen as a reason to buy a device, but a reason why not to.

simonzerafa ,
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@GossiTheDog

This whole feature is beinf used to market AI co-processors and so force hardware upgrades.

Let's hope that sinking the Windows brand further is worth it.

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GossiTheDog OP ,
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@Npars01 I don’t think it’s anything like that at all, they’ve probably just signed deals with AMD, Dell etc for laptops with Copilot+

Npars01 ,
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@GossiTheDog

Saudi Arabia had been flooding American tech companies with cash since 2018.

Twitter was just one example of anti-democracy oil oligarchs hijacking tech.

Kushner's $2 billion in Saudi sovereign funds isn't buying beach-front condos in Gaza, it's being spent on torpedoing tech brands like Microsoft.

Google, Apple, Oracle, Amazon, Microsoft, all had MBS visit in 2018. The investments continued after the Khassoghi murder & its accelerated in recent months.
https://www.vox.com/technology/2023/5/1/23702451/silicon-valley-saudi-money-khashoggi

GossiTheDog OP ,
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@Npars01 that has nothing to do with Recall

Npars01 ,
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@GossiTheDog

Microsoft made a sudden shift towards AI development in 2018 under pressure from investors. As did the Big Five.

Recall was one of the products developed with those investments.

Npars01 ,
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@GossiTheDog

The funding isn't restricted to tech companies. In 2018, anti-democracy donors suddenly decided AI was the next big thing. Recall's snapshots are a data-gathering tool for CoPilot AI.

Noted GOP megadonor to Trump, Stephen Schwarzman funded MIT's new AI faculty in 2018.

https://shass.mit.edu/news/news-2018-ai-investment

https://qz.com/annual-corporate-investment-in-ai-is-13-times-greater-t-1850308964

https://www.statista.com/statistics/941137/ai-investment-and-funding-worldwide/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeanbaptiste/2019/02/12/venture-capital-funding-for-artificial-intelligence-startups-hit-record-high-in-2018/?sh=11c6555941f7

https://www.pymnts.com/news/artificial-intelligence/2019/ai-startups-venture-capital-funding-2018/

The flood of money is inducing the premature product launches of flakey AI.

OvertonDoors ,
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@GossiTheDog @Npars01

Sure, and it's an coincidence that the WaPo ousted it's editor in favor of someone who wants TuckerKarlson op-eds.

I suppose you believe it was pure incompetence that drove Musk's management of Twitter into the shitter.

Rupert Murdoch marries his ruZZian handler, nothing to see here.

But co-pilot's creation has nothing to do with the billions of autocratic petro-dollars being pumped into Microsoft. Your not trying nearly hard enough to stick your head in the sand.

GossiTheDog OP ,
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@OvertonDoors @Npars01 no, I just don’t believe in baseless conspiracies.

das_menschy ,
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@GossiTheDog @OvertonDoors @Npars01 it's not "baseless", she provided lots of evidence in form of news articles.

Npars01 ,
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@das_menschy @GossiTheDog @OvertonDoors

I've been reading a lot about the anti-democracy movement being funded by the fossil fuel industry.

It's not restricted to politics & religion. It's economic, cultural and technology also being molded and manipulated as well.

Npars01 ,
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@das_menschy @GossiTheDog @OvertonDoors

A simple Google search for "Microsoft +Saudi" lists several hundred articles describing the scale of Saudi investment in AI.

Don't believe me? Check any reputable business news website.

The scale of the investment by the fossil fuel industry in such a short time is astonishing.

GossiTheDog OP ,
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Windows Central, about the only outlet giving Recall positive coverage and having articles tweeted by Microsoft staff - have updated their take after being hands on with a device. https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-should-recall-windows-recall-security-researcher-finds-microsofts-new-ai-tool-woefully-insecure

GossiTheDog OP ,
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Microsoft has been declining to comment on criticism of Recall for a week - but they have apparently told a journalist off the record at Future that changes will be made before Copilot+ devices drop in the coming days.

This may include an attempt to invalidate researcher criticism, we’ll see.

GossiTheDog OP ,
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WIRED has a piece about Total Recall, a now released tool which dumps keypresses, text and screenshots (they’re JPEGs) from Microsoft Recall

https://www.wired.com/story/total-recall-windows-recall-ai/

Total Recall software by @xaitax https://github.com/xaitax/TotalRecall

Example search for ‘password’:

🪟 Captured Windows: 133
📸 Images Taken: 36
🔍 Search results for 'password': 22

📄 Summary of the extraction is available in the file:
C:\Users\alex\Downloads\TotalRecall\2024-06-04-13-49_Recall_Extraction\TotalRecall.txt

GossiTheDog OP ,
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I hadn’t been aware until today of the external reaction to Recall. Holy shit. Tim Apple must be pleased.

Everything from media coverage to YouTube to TikTok is largely negative. All the comments are negative.

These videos have tens of millions of views and hundreds of thousands of comments.

I knew it would be bad but.. it’s worse. I’ve spent hours looking at the sentiment and.. well, they probably would have got better coverage from launching an NFT of pregnant Clippy.

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GossiTheDog OP ,
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A key element of Recall is Microsoft say only you can access your Recall, it is per user.

ArsTechnica enabled Recall on Windows 11 box and tested the claim. By logging in as another user they could access the database and screenshots.

https://arstechnica.com/ai/2024/06/windows-recall-demands-an-extraordinary-level-of-trust-that-microsoft-hasnt-earned/

bontchev ,
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@GossiTheDog It depends on the definition of the word "access", I guess. Microsoft probably meant that, as a user X, you can't "recall" what user Y saw. The SQL database is per-user. But if one user can access (read) another user's files (e.g., by having Admin rights), he can access that other user's SQL database too.

jeeger ,
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@bontchev @GossiTheDog Yeah, this seems somewhat dishonest.

bontchev ,
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@jeeger @GossiTheDog Indeed, it sounds very Microsofty.

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GossiTheDog OP ,
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If you want to know how Microsoft have got themselves into this giant mess with Recall, here’s what the documentation says between the lines:

you, the customer, are a simpleton who doesn’t want to be an AI genius yet. Have a caveman mode.

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Recall and Copilot+ is also coming to ASUS systems, including AMD, in a deal with Microsoft.

ASUS Announces Complete Portfolio of AI-Powered Copilot+ PCs https://www.asus.com/us/news/pnm9tg6qccql6ern/

Nvidia announced they are bringing Copilot+ and Recall to PCs, in a deal with Microsoft: https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/2/24169568/microsoft-copilot-plus-gaming-pc-nvidia-amd

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Three Copilot+ Recall questions that keep coming up.

Q. Can you alter the Recall history?

A. Yes. You can change the OCR database and change the screenshots as the logged in user or as software running as the local user. There is no audit log of changes.

Q. Are they snapshots, as Microsoft says, or screenshots?

A. They are just screenshots, jpegs.

Q. What is to stop apps on your machine accessing your Recall covertly?
A. Nothing. There is no audit log of access.

gangrif ,
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@GossiTheDog @hacks4pancakes Q: Can I, as the user, just run a job every few hours to completely eradicate said screenshots?

bontchev ,
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@gangrif @GossiTheDog @hacks4pancakes All you have to do is turn the feature off and the screenshots will be deleted.

gangrif ,
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@bontchev @GossiTheDog @hacks4pancakes well that's good. i didn't know it was that simple

Jestbill ,
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@bontchev @gangrif @GossiTheDog @hacks4pancakes Apparently someone outside can turn it back on so...

bontchev ,
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@Jestbill @gangrif @GossiTheDog @hacks4pancakes Yes, if they have remote access as the user. But that's not really relevant here - I was pointing out that you can easily delete all the accumulated data by turning the feature off - no need for a special program.

Jestbill ,
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@bontchev So just turn it off once a day?
Security is hard.

GossiTheDog OP ,
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.@awakecoding becomes the latest person reverse engineering Microsoft Recall https://x.com/awakecoding/status/1798168395583746216

GossiTheDog OP ,
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If anybody is wondering what Microsoft's reaction to any of the Copilot+ Recall concerns are, they're continuing to decline comment to every media outlet.

I've seen comments MS staff have been given for enterprise customers, which are nonsense handwaving.

Product ships live on devices from Dell, Lenovo etc this month. https://x.com/zacbowden/status/1798221879741931847

GossiTheDog OP ,
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As @tiraniddo rightly points out, anybody can programmatically reach the Recall database without admin rights. https://infosec.exchange/@tiraniddo/112566044174482506

GossiTheDog OP ,
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TotalRecall has been updated to exfiltrate Recall database and screenshots without needing admin rights: https://github.com/xaitax/TotalRecall

GossiTheDog OP ,
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You can now remotely dump Recall data and screenshots over the internet from Linux etc. Changes in flight for parsing data too.

https://github.com/Pennyw0rth/NetExec/pull/335

GossiTheDog OP ,
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YouTubers are continuing to have fun with Recall

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GossiTheDog OP ,
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Turns out speaking out works.

Microsoft are making significant changes to Recall, including making it specifically opt in, requiring Windows Hello face scanning to activate and use it, and actually encrypting the database.

There are obviously going to be devils in the details - potentially big ones.

Microsoft needs to commit to not trying to sneak users to enable it in the future, and it needs turning off by default in Group Policy and Intune for enterprise orgs.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/7/24173499/microsoft-windows-recall-response-security-concerns

GossiTheDog OP ,
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Obviously, I recommend you do not enable Recall, and you tell your family not to enable it too.

It’s still labelled Preview, and I’ll believe it is encrypted when I see it.

There are obviously serious governance and security failures at Microsoft around how this played out that need to be investigated, and suggests they are not serious about AI safety.

GossiTheDog OP ,
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Microsoft President Brad Smith is going to be grilled by US gov next week. https://therecord.media/microsoft-reverses-course-recall-opt-in

GossiTheDog OP ,
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I should be transparent btw that I took Satya and Charlie’s commitment to security at face value too - I even published a blog on it backing that up - and I have concerns (it isn’t just me).

They’re now going to have to win trust back about winning trust back.

GossiTheDog OP ,
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I know somebody at a retailer in Europe that is selling Copilot+ PCs. They’ve had fewer than a thousand preorders through to customers.

In relative terms, for them it’s about as successful as Suicide Squad Kill The Justice League.

GossiTheDog OP ,
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A reminder that a few weeks ago at RSA, Microsoft signed CISA's Secure By Design pledge... and then shipped an enabled by design keylogger that OCRs your screen constantly into AppData.

Edit: I should say that's less a reflection on Microsoft and more a reflection on CISA's Secure By Design pledge.. it's a good idea, but the scope is extremely limited.

GossiTheDog OP ,
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I think MS are a way off extracting themselves from Recall situation they've got themselves into.

This is just one YouTube comments section on a video since the not-enabled-by-default change - 500k views - but there's loads more, similar on TikTok.

I imagine it's going to continue through week and into next week when the laptops ship.

I have heard rumblings MS are discussing trying to take action against me over the whole thing, which a) good luck and b) would be pouring petrol on the flames.

GossiTheDog OP ,
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Some backstory - it's being reported Microsoft developed Recall in secret to try to avoid scrutiny. https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-has-lost-trust-with-its-users-windows-recall-is-the-last-straw

I'm hearing that various MSFT people are furious about how this played out over the past few weeks, which IMHO represents a serious lack of introspection.

GossiTheDog OP ,
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Microsoft have paused the rollout of Windows 11 24H2 in preview channel, it was the version containing Recall. Microsoft have not explained why.

https://x.com/brandonleblanc/status/1799478915582542199

I don't know if it was publicly known but it was possible to use Recall on more hardware via Mach2, before this was pulled.

bontchev ,
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@GossiTheDog Maybe they don't explain why because they can't recall.

GossiTheDog OP ,
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To put this one into perspective, there's one broadcast TV network looking at Recall still, and an investigative journalist.

Plus I imagine @evacide, @wdormann etc would have something to say if MS tried holding anybody but themselves accountable for their own actions.

GossiTheDog OP ,
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Cyber Threat Intelligence 2024 is going well

GossiTheDog OP ,
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I have an image where when viewed on a Copilot+ Recall PC, a Windows process crashes as it tries to process the screenshot.

New email signature?

GossiTheDog OP ,
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If anybody is wondering, with a Copilot+ PC, you can still programmatically access the Recall database as of today with a few commands. Launch is a few days away.

GossiTheDog OP ,
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Microsoft’s President Brad Smith appears before US House Committee on Homeland Security tomorrow.

His testimony: https://homeland.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/2024-06-13-HRG-Testimony-Smith.pdf

In this bit he talks about Recall (not named), where he pats himself and Microsoft on the back for “a feature change” and job well done.

Given it has been a complete cybersecurity and privacy car crash - and as of today the changes (plural) they’re referring to haven’t even been implemented - it seems like Microsoft fails to grasp customer needs: safety.

GossiTheDog OP ,
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One other thing - Microsoft's written testimony to the US House says, quoting, bolded by MS:

"Before I say anything else, I think it’s especially important for me to say that Microsoft accepts responsibility for each and every one of the issues cited in the CSRB’s report. Without equivocation or hesitation. And without any sense of defensiveness."

Counterpoint: they publicly disputed the report in the media. https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/25/24139914/microsoft-cyber-security-incidents-trust-report

GossiTheDog OP ,
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I should say that if Brad is asked about Recall tomorrow, the answers may raise some.. uh... eyebrows here.

I don't know what MS SLT have been told, but expect fun when the feature drops on consumer laptops in a few days.

As I mentioned in my blog, there is some more security hardening there on Copilot+ PCs (this was before MS put out their blog)... but it's still easily bypassable.

GossiTheDog OP ,
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Nessus now detects Recall as a vulnerability.

GossiTheDog OP ,
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Microsoft’s Recall puts the Biden administration’s cyber credibility on the line

https://cyberscoop.com/microsoft-recall-secure-by-design/

Interesting article. All through this, CISA and the DHS have declined to comment.

bontchev ,
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@GossiTheDog This is a bullshit title. If anything, it puts Microsoft's credibility on the line.

(In my eyes, Biden's administration has no credibility whatsoever to begin with, but that's a completely different issue; not related to Recall.)

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@bontchev @GossiTheDog

The article mentions Biden ten times:

  • once in the title
  • eight times describing various ways in which the Biden administration is focusing on security, working to improve computing security, and "deserve immense credit" for their public focus on cybersecurity.
  • and one, at the end, criticising their "relative silence" on Microsoft Recall -- relative to other corporate "flawed strategies and harmful practices" that they did call out.

...

GossiTheDog OP ,
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The Verge reports today that "Windows engineers are scrambling to get additional changes tested and ready for the release of Copilot+ PCs next week."

It also says "Recall was developed in secret at Microsoft, and it wasn’t even tested publicly with Windows Insiders."

I've also been told Microsoft security and privacy staff weren't provided Recall, as the feature wasn't made available broadly internally either.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/13/24177703/microsoft-xbox-game-showcase-windows-recall

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Microsoft President Brad Smith just testified to the US House that Recall is a good example of Secure By Design, and that they have the time to get it right (it’s supposed to launch in 3 working days).

Excuse Me Wow GIF by Mashable

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Brad Smith just said Recall was designed to be disabled by default. That is not true. Microsoft’s own documentation said it would be enabled by default - they only backtracked after outcry.

He has somehow got almost every detail about Recall wrong while testifying.

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I've been back and rewatched the Recall footage at the US House hearing and I just don't get it, Brad Smith representing Microsoft basically did this about Recall's security.. he had no challenge from the Senators as they didn't know any details.

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I’m being told Microsoft are prepping to fully recall Recall. Another announcement is being prepped for tomorrow afternoon saying the feature will not ship on Copilot+ devices at launch as it is not secure.

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Obviously, I’ll wait to see the announcement but it sounds like they’ve finally realised they need to take the time and get the feature right (and frankly consider the target audience - most home users, it ain’t).

They should have announced this before or during the US House hearing.

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Announcement is out. Good on Microsoft for finally reaching a sane conclusion.

  • Recall won’t ship as a feature at launch on Copilot+ PCs any more.

  • Won’t be available in Insider preview channel at launch, as it was pulled.

When it does appear in preview channels, privacy and security researchers need to keep a close eye on what Microsoft are doing with the feature.

Microsoft tried developing this feature in secret in a way which tried to avoid scrutiny. Thank you to everyone who stood up.

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@GossiTheDog How much space does the whole thing waste? I get it that the SQL database with the texts is small - but what about the screenshots? If they are taken every 5 seconds, they probably waste an enormous amount of space...

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@bontchev it uses at least 50gb of space. On a 512GB SSD, the default storage allocation will be 75GB, and if you have a 1TB SSD, the default space allocation will be 150GB.

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@GossiTheDog Yeah, that's quite a lot. Thought so.

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@bontchev it's quite funny as it scales up too - so say with a 1tb drive, it's on by default and allocates 150gb - which is enough space for well over 6 months of screenshots. So, like, a lot of machines are going to have a lot of history.

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@GossiTheDog I stand by my original comment when I first read about this "feature":

https://infosec.exchange/@bontchev/112477843745772274

bontchev ,
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@GossiTheDog You'd need remote access as the user, in order to change policy or edit the Registry, right?

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@bontchev yeah you need auth or code execution somehow

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@GossiTheDog Business as usual, then. Nobody knows what the fuck they are doing. Although I think Parkinson expressed it better...

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@GossiTheDog Well, at least it can be disabled. Could be worse, I guess...

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@GossiTheDog it’s like they got a focus group of cybercriminals together when making this

bontchev ,
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@GossiTheDog Is there any information how exactly the data will be stored? If it is encrypted with a key stored in the TPM module, extracting it might not be trivial.

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@bontchev it isn’t encrypted on most Windows 11 editions. Per Microsoft’s FAQ, it’s only encrypted on “Windows 11 Pro or an enterprise Windows 11 SKU”, if BitLocker is enabled. It’s just standard BitLocker, so if malware is running as a local user, data is accessible.

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