Elvis Presley’s Suspicious Minds – was followed by the tinny sound of Justice for All, a rendition of the Star-Spangled Banner sung by defendants jailed over their alleged roles in the January 6, 2021, insurrection.
Their alleged roles?!?! YOU FUCKS goddammit Guardian what the motherfucking hell are you doing? They were convicted by a court of law there's no alleged about it!! FOR FUCK'S SAKE.
well that and they where on video that they took of the event! in case anyone wants to go with the oh the court is rigged or something. definately no alleged about it.
I’ve heard of talking backwards in code to the beat of a babies heart. And then sucking the last drop of adrenochrome from the teet, sinking teeth to eat, ketchup, the walls! The walllls
I'm genuinely creeped out that someone saying these things can have so much support. Honestly I just want to go home and hide under the bed. A year ago when people said things about Trump like "authoritarian" and "fascist" and whatever else it was kinda true but also some hyperbole. Now it's just plain true.
Exactly. Anyone saying Trump criticism was just hyped up bullshit is a straight moron, or completely in denial. Sure, he's just saying it plainly now, but it was really fucking obvious previously.
Same as his cultists who can't face reality. They didn't take him seriously and they don't want to admit they were duped. (Yes, that's an intentionally vague "they" because it applies to both sides)
Sure sounds like Trump is a big threat. I may not know much but it seems like cutting off arms supply to Israel would be a bargain if it means this guy doesn't get elected again. I'm sure some moderate will come in and educate me on why they should get to have their cake and eat it too.
People need to start hounding moderates that it's their turn to compromise. They've dominated the party for so long they think they can just elect whoever they want in the primaries, refuse to compromise and blame somebody else.
The reality of the situation is that there are a lot more moderate Democrats than there are progressives. They have the bargaining power. If we refuse to compromise, they can just turn to independents and moderates (overall moderates, not Democrats). So we're left with three scenarios:
Get the best possible bargain and compromise we can, vote against the common fascist evil.
Refuse the deal. Moderate Democrats instead try to pander to the center, and if they win, they move to appease the center allies.
Refuse the deal. Democrats pander to center, but they lose. The fascists win instead and push us further right.
The only way to not move further right is to negotiate for the best deal we can, and take it. Plus, we have seen some progressive initiatives in return, like the IRA (happy to give my spiel on this) and a corporate minimum tax that eliminates loopholes.
I know this isn't ideal. But we don't hold the necessary power -- yet. My long term strategy is continuing to work with Democrats until the Republican party is no longer a threat. It's vulnerable, and a decisive loss in 2024 could be enough to fracture the party into irrelevance. Once they're tiny enough that we're safe, the Democrats and Progressives split into separate parties. Once enough Boomers die off and Zoomers are mostly all able to vote, progressives should have the numbers to rival moderate Democrats, if not eclipse them.
It's going to take a lot of time, but I think this is the best case scenario to work towards. If we want to have serious economic changes, we need to first hold strong and defeat the party that constantly tries to fuck with social rights.
Stop equivocating. There's no tomorrow after this. Short sighted. I'm starting to despise people like you as we get closer to the election. And before you try to debate me, THIS POST IS A FORUM ABOUT THE THREAT OF A TRUMP VICTORY. No response of yours refutes the fact you're steering the conversation. You're working toward a Trump victory no matter what you claim your motivation for your comment.
I'm not equivocating. I'm saying if the situation is this dire then surely cutting off arms supply to Israel is a fucking bargain isn't it?
It's time to compromise with leftists and progressives. If you won't do it now when "there's no tomorrow after this" then you never will. Make a choice.
As a rule, no one should compromise with those that will not compromise. You end up giving away everything and getting nothing. Which is pretty much what it’s like when dealing with the entitled.
Nah don't end the conversation now buddy. Democracy is about compromise right? I gave you an example of leftists and progressives compromising now surely these moderates compromised somewhere right? It's not like the majority voting bloc would be so selfish and stupid as to risk losing democracy rather than give up anything? Right? Right?
I think Biden makes compromises. That's the leftists argument against him. But here he's probably weighing the cost of pissing off a Jewish block of support and leftists.
I also doubt it's much of a choice. The leftist won't support him regardless because he's not bernie sanders.
Shut the fuck up about the Jews. Every American Jew I know hates what's happening in Gaza and wants it to stop now. You're talking to one. Stop reading fucking headlines. You sound like a right winger. Want to rub my horns to find the space lasers?
He's not wrong. In response to the first attack on the World Trade Center, Biden assisted in creating the bill that would be dusted off and implemented following 9/11 as the Patriot Act.
Biden not only owns his involvement, he has been proud of it.
Seriously. Purported progressives acting like domestic terrorists thinking they're better than hippie anti vaxer moms showing up at the same rallies as nazis. I'm a fucking actual progressive. That's why I'm compromising with Biden to keep us on oxygen. I can't stand these fucking imbeciles..
Are leftists a minor wing that's too small to be compromised with? Because if so it's impossible for us to hold democracy hostage. Moderates are the majority voting bloc. They bear the lions share of the responsibility for any outcome. They elected Joe Biden in the primaries, they're responsible for how he does in the general elections.
Actually it's you who doesn't matter. You'll vote for Biden regardless of what he does. I will only vote for Biden again if he cuts off arms for Israel and promises to veto any attempts to block the rail strike in his next term.
I'm not going anywhere. I'll be repeating this over and over right up until election day. So if Biden loses and you all are like "oh my God this is awful how could this have been avoided" there's gonna be a pile of evidence showing how it could have been avoided and thousands of responses just like yours rejecting it.
You would rather lose to fascists than compromise with leftists or progressives.
You would rather lose to fascists than compromise with leftists or progressives
The projection is strong in this one. You are literally saying you would rather have Trump win than compromise and vote for Biden.
I get it, Biden isn't the best choice. When the alternative is literal fascism the voters need to shut that down hard. Make the Republicans lose like they've never lost before to show it won't be tolerated. That will force them to run somewhat reasonable candidates in the future, which forces the Democrats to have to actually try.
A marginal Biden win doesn't teach Republicans anything and they keep running wannabe Dictators, letting the Democrats continue to not have to put any effort in other than saying "It's us or Dictators."
A Trump win means there won't be another election.
The projection is strong in this one. You are literally saying you would rather have Trump win than compromise and vote for Biden.
That's a matter of perspective. You want me to believe the only choice is between Biden and Trump. I'm telling you the only choice is between compromising with progressives and leftists or losing to fascists. You don't have to agree with me. But if you think I'm being sincere then you've got a decision to make.
I get it, Biden isn’t the best choice. When the alternative is literal fascism the voters need to shut that down hard.
So you're acknowledging moderates made a bad choice in the 2020 primaries? Which is especially selfish and foolish considering literal fascism is at stake? Where are your lectures for moderate voters? Have you lectured anyone who voted for Biden in the primaries?
Moderates continue to get a free pass to make selfish decisions in the primaries. Leftists and progressives compromised and showed up in the 2020 general election. Now it's time for the moderates and Biden to make some policy compromises.
So you’re acknowledging moderates made a bad choice in the 2020 primaries?
Yup.
Which is especially selfish and foolish considering literal fascism is at stake?
Yes.
Where are your lectures for moderate voters?
Those were during the 2020 primaries.
Unfortunately that's the option we're stuck with now. I agree with not letting Dems have a free pass... unless the alternative is literal Fascism. When the Republicans are putting forward a candidate that won't dismantle democracy then go ahead and make your stand. Letting Fascists take over the government to stick it to the moderates is the definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face. "Women and minorities will die from lack of medical care, and I'll never be able to vote again. THAT will teach those moderates!"
They really aren't worth the time. They probably aren't even a real person. If you look at their post history its literally nothing but FUD aimed at getting trump elected. Hundreds of posts every day. They either aren't very well (unlikely), or they are an agent of some kind. Don't feed the troll.
No, we have other better options, but liberals will refuse to vote for anyone who they haven't had led to them by the DNC establishment, and then act like everyone else is enabling fascism by suggesting actual leftist leadership.
I’m afraid of it but I agree with you because “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity” so it’s very much possible for the orange leader to occupy the White House again, and possibly for the rest of his days.
Sure, but then quote the actual problematic comments, don't purposely mislead with the one thing he said that wasn't problematic. That just gives fuel to their persecution complex.
Right, but every new article seems to treat him with a blank slate. You could write a completely unbiased true article saying "Convicted rapist who wants to be dictator 'for day one' of his presidency says that he'll use the 'success of the US' as his ultimate revenge."
The news fucking kowtows to this fascist's feelings far too much IMO. Seems biased in the opposite direction, just so they can maintain a "neutral" tone.
edit: of course all news has bias, I meant truth instead
These manipulative headlines only help Trump. In the same speech he says he is the only person who can stop WW3. A ridiculous statement that only a cult leader would say. He also said that Biden approved Nord Stream on day 2 of his presidency which is a complete lie. Nord Stream 1 was blown up and then Biden got Germany to cancel Nord Stream 2. The opposite of what Trump said. There is plenty of valid criticisms and no need to be manipulative of Trump's words.
I saw it myself on televised cameras. There was nothing "alleged" about the disgusting and utterly degrading assault of America than happened on January 6th, conducted by the lowest forms of vermin on earth. I saw it myself - it did happen.
And furthermore, any human being who casts a vote for an excremental piece of criminal vermin like trump should be considered dangerously ill and NEEDS to be stripped of their American citizenship and their voting privileges. Society cannot afford to have sick cretins running around loose. Lock them up, or at least build gas chambers to get rid of them all for good so we can move on from this horror.
I AM NOT SIMPLY FRUSTRATED, I'm outraged beyond all measure of words to convey. I AM SICK TO DEATH OF ALL OF THIS GOD_DAMN MALARKY AND NO ONE IS GOING TO TELL ME I SHOULDN'T BE!!!!!! I SAY IT AGAIN - I DO NOT NEED TO "REGROUP" OR BE BETTER THAN THESE FILTHY IDIOTS!! WHAT I NEED IS TO SURROUND MYSELF WITH PEOPLE AS HORRIFIED, OUTRAGED, AND TOTALLY FED UP AS MYSELF!
WE can, And we MUST take up arms against these vermin, and one and for all give them a good god damn taste of their own medicine.
But what you're saying is literally what they are, just in the opposite direction.
And to be clear, I think of the two choices that you'd be correct. However, saying people need to have their citizenship revoked because they vote for someone you don't agree with is the opposite of democracy. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean you get to throw out the rules.
Gee I wonder why democrats always get shit on /s. Guh let's just wait for the politicians and corporations to set things right. They have our best interests in mind. Meanwhile Republicans are literally barging into house and taking over. Fucking spineless. It's okay the most important trial in us history is about to get dropped because fani needed a booty call. .... from a Canadian standpoint. Your fucked.
Funny thing though: the other side says the exact same thing.
Of course, they are brainwashed and full of hatred, but again, they say the same about us.
I'm just trying to say: you're right, but the other side isn't going for trump because they're insane. They're going for trump because they allowed themselves to be fooled, but they really believe all the crap trump is feeding them. These aren't so much evil geniuses as gullible people who want what they think is best. Since they're told were all evil and out to get them, well, they want to get rid of us. The age old "divide and conquer" strategy.
The more you go "kill em all" the more they will too, that will lead to an ugly outcome. Even if we win, we still gotta live next to them, they're our neighbors, our family, our friends. Maybe focus your anger on those that are riling them up, that tell them to hate. Trump should at this point -frankly- be shot for treason, same for his kids who are very involved. Their followers, however, should be shown and made understood that trump is hatez that trump is lies and corruption.
This is very antidemocratic of you. It's treating the symptoms and not the root cause. While I agree that trump and his supporters are vile, we should not advocate for removal of citizenship or voting rights of anyone.
Trump exists because of a flawed system, not flawed individuals. We need to fix the system or will continue to get Trump after Trump
Trump is a moron and can barely string a sentence together when he is winging it. When he has a prompt and someone he owes money to tells him what to say, he is as eloquent as he can be.
I feel like the only one who sees through the bullshit. I feel like I'm the only one who has realized that trump isn't a smart person nor good at speaking unless he has a script to follow that he can't diverge from because as soon as he does the crazy cat lady is on display.
I feel like the only one who sees through the bullshit. I feel like I'm the only one who has realized that trump isn't a smart person nor good at speaking unless he has a script to follow that he can't diverge from because as soon as he does the crazy cat lady is on display.
Yes, yes...you very special and unique little unicorn.
From what I see here and previously on reddit and when I was sort of (but not really) active on fb. I definitely feel like that or at the least I'm one of only a few willing to call out insanity and try to educate others so we all have a better future.
If more people like us would step up and be more active online and off, we may have been able to avoid the whole trump in office bit to begin with. I know that most us are not spotlight friendly and would rather just be left alone but we can't live like that for the foreseeable future. Not until enough of the maggats and their leaders are in jail or barred from politics for life.
I was telling everyone I knew about trump when he first ran this time around. Even in my circles I'm an exception who knew what trump was and has known for 30+ years.
People like you probably don’t even care about genocide. After all, I don’t see these same “accounts” standing up for Ukraine with such passion. You’re just a stooge who wants Trump to win because you’re a shill, some dumb “burn it all to the ground” idiot, or both.
I didn't support anything. I pointed out that your language is condescending, which tends to make people uninterested in the message. And if you're intentionally alienating people then what are you trying to accomplish?
II don’t engage in wastes of time like them any more. I’ve done it before. I won’t bother again. Everything that kid says here are right-wing talking points and propaganda. So I call it out and move on.
I'm not happy about that, either, but my choice is between someone who'll maintain the current level and someone who'll make that genocide even worse and try to start one HERE, too. Both options are bad, but one is measurably and obviously less bad.
I'm sorry that that's what your choices are, but at some point you have to start resisting and stop voting lesser of two evils, when both are blatantly evil as fuck. It's genocide for fuck sake.
Such RAAAAAGE! Don’t worry, history couldn’t a shit about either of us. But the “likes of you” are usually remembers humorously for a while at least.
I mean, manufactured outrage over events happening in a country you probably couldn’t have pointed to on a map six months ago, to people you weren’t even aware were at war?
Things like this are usually never taken seriously at best- and laughed at at worst.
You’re batting 1,000 here with the insults, aren’t you?
I never said anything about concentration camps. I simply pointed out that people like YOU had no idea about it six months ago- it was implied in what I said that this has been going on a LONG time.
You only chose to be outraged about it because it’s the socially accepted thing to do.
Have you already forgotten his random assassination of that Iranian general? Or when he was trading barbs with NK, "this is the calm before the storm"?
We're far less of a virus than any other of the animals on this planet'd be if they had our level of control over this planet. We're just incompatible with Earth, moving on to other planets is the best thing we could do for ours
No, I just think human exceptionalism is disgusting. We've driven 70% of all species to extinction, and continue to drive 150 more a day. If we found an organism that kills all the other species around it permanently, we would do our damndest to eradicate it.
