Breaking: Trump Verdict Livethread

Jury HAS reached a verdict. 11 hours, 43 minutes.

Developing.

Analysis is saying the jury using the word "verdict" indicates this is not a hung jury.

Jury has asked for more time to fill out paperwork, which makes sense, 34 counts x 12 jurors, 408 line items?

Judge has now called for the jury.

Detail on each count here, 3 basic categories:

https://www.npr.org/2024/05/30/g-s1-1848/trump-hush-money-trial-34-counts

Trump was charged with falsifying business records in the first degree.

Invoices for legal services
Guilty on 11 of 11 charges

Checks paid for legal services
Guilty on 11 of 11 charges

Ledger entries for legal expenses
Guilty on 12 of 12 charges

No bail, sentencing on July 11th, 4 days before the Republican convention.

Defense has until 6/13 to file motions, prosecution has until 6/27 to respond.

Trump is responding predictably. Attacking the judge and the whole process.

Jury HAS reached a verdict. 11 hours, 43 minutes.

Developing.

Analysis is saying the jury using the word "verdict" indicates this is not a hung jury.

Jury has asked for more time to fill out paperwork, which makes sense, 34 counts x 12 jurors, 408 line items?

Judge has now called for the jury.

Detail on each count here, 3 basic categories:

https://www.npr.org/2024/05/30/g-s1-1848/trump-hush-money-trial-34-counts

Trump was charged with falsifying business records in the first degree.

Invoices for legal services
Guilty on 11 of 11 charges

Checks paid for legal services
Guilty on 11 of 11 charges

Ledger entries for legal expenses
Guilty on 12 of 12 charges

No bail, sentencing on July 11th, 4 days before the Republican convention.

Defense has until 6/13 to file motions, prosecution has until 6/27 to respond.

Trump is responding predictably. Attacking the judge and the whole process.

If you're trying to keep track of where we're at in the Trump prosecutions:

Updated 05/30/2024

New York
34 state felonies
Stormy Daniels Payoff
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest
Trial
Conviction <- You Are Here Guilty, all 34 counts.
Sentencing - July 11, 2024

Washington, D.C.
4 federal felonies
January 6th Election Interference
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest  <- You Are Here
Trial - The trial, originally scheduled for March 4th, has been placed on hold pending the Supreme Court ruling on Presidential Immunity. They are due to hear those arguments on April 25th.
Conviction
Sentencing

Florida
40 federal felonies
Top Secret Documents charges
Investigation
Indictment
Original indictment was for 37 felonies.
3 new felonies were added on July 27, 2023.
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - Postponed Indefinitely
Conviction
Sentencing

Georgia
10 state felonies
Election Interference
As of 3/13/24 - Judge McAfee cleared 6 charges, 3 against Trump, saying they were too generic to be enforced.
As of 3/15/24 - The case may proceed, but either Fulton County DA, Fani Willis and her office or Special Prosecutor Nathan Wade must remove themselves due to the appearance of impropriety.
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
All 19 defendants have surrendered.  
Trial - A trial date of Aug. 5, 2024 has been requested, not approved yet.
Three defendants, Kenneth Chesebro, Sidney Powell, and bail bondsman Scott Hall, have all pled guilty and have agreed to testify in other cases.
Conviction
Sentencing

Other grand juries, such as for the documents at Bedminster, or the Arizona fake electors, have not been announced.

The E. Jean Carroll trial for sexual assault and defamation where Trump was found liable and ordered to pay $5 million before immediately defaming her again resulting in a demand for $10 million is not listed as it's a civil case and not a crimimal one. He was found liable in that case for $83.3 million.

There had been multiple cases in multiple states to remove Trump from the ballot, citing ineligibility under the 14th amendment.

The Supreme Court ruled on March 4th that states do not have the ability to determine eligibility in Federal elections.

https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/video/united-states-supreme-court-overturns-colorado-supreme-court-donald-trump-ballot-ruling/

mhague ,

I'm currently watching the Trump presser the day after, and he's straight up violating his gag order, spending awhile talking about Cohen, basically saying "I can't talk about him, but his name rhymes with Mohen, they call him a fixer, and ..."
The whole thing is nuts but just thought that was a bit special.

jordanlund OP Mod ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

I think once the trial is completed, the gag order isn't in play.

The whole point of the gag order was to keep him from intimidating witnesses and jurors, well all that is done now.

I'm sure the judge will take it into consideration for sentencing though!

NegativeInf ,

A trial is incomplete until sentencing I thought? I've seen no paperwork dismissing the gag. But idk.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

The trial isn’t over though; He still needs to be sentenced. He has been found guilty, yes. But the courts haven’t actually decided on an acceptable punishment. That’s what will happen on the 11th.

Cethin ,

Yep, and I'm sure blatantly violating the gag order (assuming it works like for a normal person) will lead to harsher sentencing. In that case, I hope he violates it further.

kikutwo ,

So, it's Biden's fault, it's the DA's fault, it's the corrupt judge's fault. Everyone but you Donny.

jordanlund OP Mod ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Classic malignant narcissist.

jordanlund OP Mod ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

It has now been brought to my attention that you can take the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles song and instead sing:

Trump is a convicted felon
Trump is a convicted felon
Trump is a convicted felon

myusernameis , (edited )

Because he paid a pornstar,
Tobequiet.

Edit: Just finishing the TMNT song to appease my compulsions y'all. I understand the the legal case is more complicated.

Karyoplasma ,

Is prostitution illegal in NY? Why did he not just say "I wanted to fuck a pornstar so I did"?

ashok36 ,

If the story hadn't been about to come out in late October 2016 and the Access Hollywood tape hadn't just come out, there's a decent chance he wouldn't have paid her off.

As in most things in life, it's all about timing and that was a big part of the prosecutions case for establishing motive.

OldWoodFrame ,

He was specifically illegally conspiring to keep it a secret from voters, that's why it was a felony instead of a misdemeanor falsification of business records.

SulaymanF ,

It was discussed during the Hope Hicks testimony and others. After the Access Hollywood tape came out, his poll numbers took a nosedive. He was afraid that a story about cheating on his wife with a porn star would doom the campaign so he arranged to pay hush money to her and talked about on stiffing her on the rest of the payments after the election.

RampantParanoia2365 ,

Yes it's illegal. There were talks about decrimilization, but I believe that was only for the prostitute, not the soliciter. And it seems it hasn't gone through.

Phegan ,

It wasn't the prostitution, it was that he commit fraud, he used election funds to pay her and then falsified documents saying he didn't. It was fraud, not prostitution

Cethin ,

This isn't the reason. He committed fraud while paying a porn star to be quit. He did not commit a crime with the payment itself necessarily, rather in how he did it (and with the side effect of defrauding the public during an election).

nicky7 ,

Trump is a convicted felon

Trump is a convicted felon

Trump is a convicted felon

Put him in a jail cell

Justice Power!

randon31415 ,

If he gets probation, how would that work? Normally you have to notify someone when you leave the state. That would be a full-time job for someone campaigning.

JeeBaiChow ,

Now will CNN introduce him as 45th president of the United States and convicted felon Donald j trump? Can we get a GoFundMe to make it happen?

Hadriscus ,

Pardon my ignorance, but I've seen that "title" all over -is it common to call convicted felons as such, as a title of sorts, before their name ?

JeeBaiChow ,

Just saying i hope they grant him he same level of class and decorum he's afforded others before him.

benderbeerman ,

It is when they are an individual of notoriety of any kind being discussed in the media... it is just another adjective to add to their list of accolades.

Hadriscus ,

Ok thanks

JasonDJ ,

Donald J Trump, 45th President of the United States, convicted felon, khaleesi of the great grass sea, first of his name.

abracaDavid ,

I would bet $1000 that nothing meaningful happens to that slick old bastard.

There are two justice systems in this country, and Trump is in the one that's so rich that he doesn't face the same kind of meaningful consequences that we do.

jordanlund OP Mod ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

So was Martha Stewart. 5 months in prison, 2 years probation.

ashok36 ,

I wouldn't take that bet but we have to acknowledge that this is progress. If you'd told me a year ago trump would be convicted on 34 felonies before June I'd have laughed at you.

The arc of history is long but it does bend towards justice. We are witnessing that bend now after decades of frustration. Enjoy this win at least a little bit.

OldWoodFrame ,

It was very frustrating that just like what happened with "fake news" which was originally used to describe false news articles generated usually to help Trump, the same thing happened with the concept of a two-tier justice system. Originally describing how wealthy people like Trump don't get the same justice that poor people do, now Republicans are trying to use it to describe Republicans getting charged for things Democrats wouldn't be.

vga , (edited )

Anyone else a little bit surprised that justice just happened, even if on a relatively minor scale compared to all the things he has done?

Hadriscus ,

yea totally. It's a good feeling

disguy_ovahea ,

New York does not fuck around.

E. Jean Carroll v. Donald J. Trump - GUILTY

The People of the State of New York and Attorney General Letitia James v. Donald J. Trump - GUILTY

The People of the State of New York and District Attorney Alvin Bragg v. Donald J. Trump - GUILTY

Three up, three down.

Now get the fuck outta here.

kandoh ,

I know a lot of us are cynical and don't have high expectations for sentencing, but...

Right now, Trump's feeling pretty shitty. He has no idea how the sentencing will go. No guarantees he won't be forced to suffer. This is consume him for weeks at the least.

When he goes to sleep tonight, all he'll be thinking about is 'I could go to prison'.

JeeBaiChow ,

... good?

Phoonzang ,

You see, I don't think people like him ever feel shitty. He feels as a victim, a martyr of sorts, people like this can and will twist anything in their heads so that it proves their grandeur, their importance.

This guy goes to sleep every night thinking how great he is, and how the world is just jealous and that's why some stupid judge was out to get him.

My dad is a pathological narcissist and behaves exactly like that.

RampantParanoia2365 ,

I'm gonna stick my dick in the mashed potatoes!

JeeBaiChow , (edited )

Appeal ad infinitum incoming. This stain wouldn't see any repercussions until after the election, and only if he loses. I hope I'm proven wrong. Still waiting on the 400+80m to hit his pocket.

IchNichtenLichten ,
@IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

“This was a disgrace. This was a rigged trial by a conflicted judge who was corrupt. It's a rigged trial, a disgrace. They wouldn't give us a venue change. We were at 5% or 6% in this district, in this area. This was a
rigged, disgraceful trial.”

I hope the judge takes his complete lack of contrition into account when sentencing. If Cohen did time, Trump should do time.

jordanlund OP Mod ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Plus the contempt.

IchNichtenLichten ,
@IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

I'll allow it.

/ Judgey speak.

benderbeerman ,

tips sombrero

JeeBaiChow ,

And the slander.

Fades ,

The contempt x10, the fact Cohen did time in prison for the other side of this thing, the attacks on the judge's daughter and family, staff, intimidation of jurors and witnesses...

JeeBaiChow ,

They should haul up all the perpetrators and try them individually, extract the confessions, then come back for the shitstain.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

I mean, that’s the whole point of the RICO stuff. It allows them to give sweetheart deals to the first few who flip, as long as they agree to testify against the rest. And we’ve seen exactly that happening.

btaf45 ,

We were at 5% or 6% in this district, in this area.

You mean the same district that elected Rudy Ghouliani for mayor?

This was a rigged, disgraceful trial.

Rigged how? Is Convicted Felon and Sex Offender Treason Trump alleging that the 12 random jurers were secretly preselected even though his own lawyer helped select the jury? How come he is giving zero details? Because there are no details to give. Literally every court case and election that Loser Trump loses is "rigged" because his one and only strategy on everything is "Lie, Lie, Lie".

kescusay ,
@kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

Here's something to think about... The Secret Service has stated that for now, their protective mission is unchanged. They are "authorized" to protect former presidents unless they decline that protection.

But can that authorization ultimately be revoked? Or can they perhaps petition President Biden to cease protective operations if Trump ends up sentenced to some kind of custody which would result in rendering that protection impractical?

newtraditionalists ,

Commenting for posterity. I hate you chump. I hope you're humiliated, you cowardly moron.

Xanis ,

Y'know, honestly? Trump? This IS rather impressive. Good job. Collecting those titles like some of us collected rocks.

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