And the third track has buffers at both ends, is covered in weeds and somebody has stolen some of the sleepers to make a nice planter for their garden.
If that third track were an option the trolley problem would never have existed. If there really is a third track in the real-life situation, then the trolley problem is not a good analogy of that problem.
Sadly, in this election there is no third track and we are forced into choosing the lesser of two evils.
If you want a third track, push for ranked choice voting!
the joke is that you are actively removing yourself from the situation by making a decision to do nothing. In essence, that track has no trolley on it, and no people on it, meaning nobody dies.... As long as you don't look over your shoulder.
The real joke is how the "no choice" position is such extreme nonsense that even something as dumbed down as a meme can't make any part of it seem logical.
it's not explicitly nonsense, one of the decisions that you can make in the trolley problem is doing nothing, this is the equivalent of doing nothing in a comedic fashion.
In the same way 'would you rather' is meant to force a decision between two unacceptable choices, the trolly problem is meant to highlight the morality of refusing to choose (and ensuring the worse decision).
If it were replaced with, say, being told to shoot one group or another by a sadistic guard, the possibility of refusing to choose would be more obvious in terms of what it means morally.
The trolley is an inanimate object. It isn't making choices.
Political parties are more like the sadistic guard. They are making choices.
In the same way ‘would you rather’ is meant to force a decision between two unacceptable choices, the trolly problem is meant to highlight the morality of refusing to choose (and ensuring the worse decision).
in a really reductive sense, yes. The trolley problem is at it's heart, a question of whether being involved in an atrocity is better than being uninvolved in an atrocity.
There literally is a third option that will be printed on most of not all ballots. Rank choice voting is huge but people should be willing to vote earnestly. Nobody wants to be the one to make the change and wants the world to change first but that's not how it works.
No. In the current system you should not vote earnestly. In a fair system you should. Not in the one we have. The only moral choice is to select the lesser evil. Otherwise you might as well vote for the greater one.
I mean the right has already made it clear that they're 100% pro genocide, straight up recommending that every Palestinian is killed. The worst Biden could possibly do is be as bad as Trump.
You have no one to vote for. Every single candidate supports genocide. Biden, West, Stein, Sanders. Palestinian genocide or Ukrainian genocide. Pick your 'cider
Well, frankly, your vote obviously doesn't matter to you. Refusing to accept the realities of our voting system as an excuse to throw your vote out the window isn't noble, it's ignorant. Whether you choose to accept it, your choice will do nothing other than help Trump.
But, yeah, go cry some more about how pointing out reality is "attacking you".
I wasn't crying about being attacked. I was pointing out it's a bit absurd to attack/judge/whatever you want to call this people like me in order to cater to people who would abandon Joe Biden in the general election if he stops supporting a genocide.
You're yelling at the wrong people.
Refusing to accept the realities of our voting system as an excuse to throw your vote out the window isn’t noble, it’s ignorant.
Okay. What are you going to do about it? You want my vote and you can't have it for free. Work for it.
Yes, the "Ukrainian genocide"... You know that genocide used to be a word with a meaning, right? That we shouldn't go around calling any conflict a genocide?
No matter what your opinion on the conflict, comparing it to the situation in Palestine is the same as denying it, there is no comparison. Russia is definitely not deliberately bombing civilian targets, we have only had the collateral damage that is expected from any war. And this collateral damage is infinitely smaller than any of the wars the United States has engaged in in the last 50 years. Do you call the wars in Iraq, Indochina, Libya and Korea genocides?
And you are all going late. The way you guys are absolutely incapable of arguing with anyone who doesn't parrot the status quo media's cant tells me you'd be much better off back on reddit, your natural habitat, so to speak.
Do you realize that I never once said that I advocated the invasion of Ukraine? That I simply stated that the situation has NOTHING to do with Palestine? Your mind has been so corroded by ideology that you cannot tolerate anyone even slightly disagreeing with your narrative.
My man I appreciate your anger towards oppressors, but first and foremost, Israel is the one killing Palestinian children, Hamas is one of the Palestinian organizations that resists the Israeli yoke. I know that the Earth is a sterile promontory, but the disorganized action of one individual, whether violent or not, is incapable of bringing about meaningful change. At best, it would bring you a false, self-indulgent, and brief sense of fulfillment, which would quickly be replaced by a much greater misery than you have ever felt for yourself and others around you. I think it would do you good to find someone in your offline life with whom you could talk about these anxieties. By doing so, you could begin to transform this destructive feeling into constructive action for a world different from this foul and pestilent congregation of vapors.
I simply stated that the situation has NOTHING to do with Palestine
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comparing it to the situation in Palestine is the same as denying it, there is no comparison. Russia is definitely not deliberately bombing civilian targets
It's one thing to lie about events in the real world that a reader may plausibly be ignorant of. It's a entire other thing to lie about what you just said 2 paragraphs ago. I didn't try to argue with you because I read enough to know that doing so would be futile you tankie bootlicker.
This comment was made for the benefit of anyone unfortunate enough to read yours. Also, I block everyone who participates in Dunk Tank on principle. So this conversation won't be continuing.
Russia is definitely not deliberately bombing civilian targets
the same to defend the invasion? HOW?! And again, you are the one who is cutting off any possibility of dialogue with those you disagree with. You are so sure that you are right that you do not let a shadow of doubt come near you.
Not deliberately bombing civilians...ok you know they are. It's a tried and true russian "war" tactic. They are also stealing children and taking them to families in rural Russia in order to russify them. That is a war crime and a very definition of genocide. They've stated over and over that Ukraine is not a real country and the language is not real. Erasing a culture like that is also a definition of genocide. 30,000+ children murdered in locations no where near a contested front line. Defending that is disgusting.
Not deliberately bombing civilians…ok you know they are^[citation needed]. It’s a tried and true russian “war” tactic. They are also stealing children^[citation needed] and taking them to families in rural Russia in order to russify them^[citation needed]. That is a war crime and a very definition of genocide. They’ve stated over and over that Ukraine is not a real country^[citation needed, (saying that Ukraine only became an independent country when the USSR created the Ukrainian SSR is not saying that Ukraine is not real, it is stating a fact)] and the language is not real. Erasing a culture like that is also a definition of genocide. 30,000+ children murdered in locations no where near a contested front line^[citation needed]. Defending that is disgusting.
This is how you know you have brain worms. Biden has to keep the Jewish liberal vote so he's supporting Israel. He also needs congress to fund ukraine which they won't do without also funding Israel.
If anything, Biden turns his back on bibi as soon as the election is over and throws him to the wolves. Netanyahu is doing everything he can to get trump elected.
Biden has to keep the Jewish liberal vote so he’s supporting Israel.
When you say this while telling me I have brain worms it's easy for me to come to the conclusion you think the desires of Jewish liberals are more important than mine.
And while that's certainly your prerogative I have zero motivation to cater to it.
Sounds like the DNC primaries didn't produce a candidate that was sufficiently popular with all the major factions of the Democrat voter base. I wonder what the solution to that could be. Guess we'll never know since people like you refuse to have that conversation.
Technically the DNC candidate was more popular than the RNC one, but years of voter suppression perpetrated by the right wing over the past few decades prevented said candidate from attaining office
I'm not attacking you. I'm saying as bad as Biden is for Palestinians, Trump is will be 1000x worse. I can't believe that's so hard for people to understand.
This is why the US should help move all Palestinians out of Israel. Relocate them to a place in the US. Give them a reservation land like the native Americans. They're never going to beat Israel and the best solution would be to move and start over.
There are next to no 70+ year olds on here to be stroking themselves over this. Most of us young people either didn't vote in the primaries or voted for Warren/Bernie. It's the old voters that choose our candidates because not enough young people can be bothered to vote in primaries... :(
Because the responsibility IS at the feet of us young people. If we could be bothered to actually vote in the primaries it wouldn't matter who the boomers chose.
Unfortunately no one is going to change their minds by me rubbing their nose in the shit they just made. They vote for him because they believe in whatever he stands for. They're too scared of spooky socialism to vote for anyone that isn't a centrist anyway.
Because the responsibility IS at the feet of us young people. If we could be bothered to actually vote in the primaries it wouldn’t matter who the boomers chose.
We are the victims of their inaction for sure, but that doesn't change the fact that boomers gonna boomer. We can counter that we just need to get people to see how important primaries are.
I just don't see how we could possibly convince neolib boomers to not be neolib boomers.
Where are those people? I don't see them on Facebook, LinkedIn, Reddit or here. Millions of people voted for him in the 2020 primaries. Are they ashamed of their choice? They should be.
I'll ask the same question I always do when someone accuses me of being a troll: where do you think all those people who voted uncommitted in the 2024 primaries are? Do they have zero social media presence?
Stop voting for shit candidates in the primaries. This is non-negotiable.
"It doesn't matter that we made terrible decisions that got us here you're now morally obligated to vote for our strike blocking genocide supporting candidate!"
What kind of argument is this? "People talking about the current election are ignoring an option that hasn't existed for 4 years" of course they're not?! It's not an option any more! The meme perfectly represents the idiocy of anyone trying to take any kind of moral high ground by not voting. America has made its bed, it sucks but no amount of idealism can change the practical options available to you.
It's funny you pull the whole "ackshually I never said that" but I never accused you of taking the moral high ground. I just said the meme perfectly captures the idiocy of people taking the moral high ground. You lumped yourself in that category.
Joe Biden has won ONE state in all 2020 primary and general elections where there was a major party candidate that was running below the age of retirement: South Carolina, and that was because everyone skipped it in preparation for super tuesday.
The other 99 contests either Biden lost or everyone still running was over 65.
The trolley problem is a basic philosophical thought experiment on the nature of morality. Are we responsible for circumstances beyond our control, and do we take ownership of the consequences if we intercede? Is inaction a decision itself? Does the moral relativism of reducing harm absolve us of the results borne of our choices?
Derailing is a theoretical option, but raises additional concerns. You put the passengers at risk to hopefully save people on the tracks, and you destroy the trolley which is ostensibly going somewhere for a reason. What if there is a pregnant woman in labor on the trolley, and she's on her way to the hospital? What if the detailed trolley still crushes the people on the track? Was your decision to intervene a moral one?
The trolley problem is a basic philosophical thought experiment on the nature of morality. Are we responsible for circumstances beyond our control, and do we take ownership of the consequences if we intercede?
Well, yes, that too. But also there is part of paper, where different additional information is provided. So paper that introduced it also in a way ridicules trolley problem. You never has complete information, and no solution is perfect in any morality.
you destroy the trolley which is ostensibly going somewhere for a reason.
I've never heard about trolley's body destruction during derailment. And Uraltransmash trolley derail a lot.
What if the detailed trolley still crushes the people on the track? Was your decision to intervene a moral one?
Back to incomplete information. Or what if trolley doesn't have enough velocity to kill anyone?
Thank you so much for the link, I really appreciate it. I guess what counts as a coup had changed over the years. Biden is obviously plotting a coup in Israel, I guess, since he's suggested that bibi would be better gone
The Intercept is the only publication pushing that story. Al Jazeera only references "purported" information from that very TI article so, by and large, it's unsubstantiated. Also, when that was happening Kahn was already serving a three year corruption sentence. I don't see how any of this actually substantiates your original claim.
The cipher was just the confirmation of what Imran Khan and his party had already alleged leading up to his removal and subsequent arrest. It was already well established that the USA was invovled via the army, which is why he was charged with several phony cases like illegal marriage and state gift sales.
If you want I can share the timeline of events, but it'll take me some time because said army nuked Pakistani media reporting so I would have to rely on 3rd party archives and crossposts of independent journalists who also got content deleted and arrested.
And I do mean nuked, they straight up banned the use of his name in any new article or broadcast, along with banning twitter and flicking the internet connection every other week to reduce info from social media.
The Wikipedia article has some decent sources, but Geo and Dawn are already considered political propaganda.
You're a "domestic terrorist" and most likely already tied down to the middle track. You might also get tied down to the top rail - it depends slightly what you yell when attack.
But if that elepant and donkey are capable of tying down all those other people, they're not going to let you derail them.
It’s the track for trains with no windows so the riders aren’t inconvenienced by the impact of their betrayal of duty as citizens. This way they can remain on their high horses and pretend both sides are the same and all that without any of that pesky and deserved shame
