jordanlund ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

"An attorney for PJ’s Construction said the developers didn’t want to hire surveyors."

Well there's your problem.

The answer here should be simple... the developers pay for demolition, removal of the house, and restore the property back to the condition where they found it.

DemBoSain ,
@DemBoSain@midwest.social avatar

Until they declare bankruptcy and reorganize as JP's Construction.

givesomefucks ,

They've sued everyone instead...

The lady that owns the property, the people who used to own it, a bank, an insurance company, I think a person that lives on another lot, the person who sold them the other lots.

In all likelihood the lawsuits are a stall until they can declare bankruptcy and start a new company.

But they can't just "restore" the property, it was full of mature native trees/plants and for bulldozed.

Also the reason they didn't "need" surveyors, was lots are clearly marked via numbers on telephone poles. They just read the numbers wrong. Which is even worse.

someguy3 ,

Bold move Jim, let's see if it pays off.

NaibofTabr ,

They couldn't afford surveyors but they can pay lawyers to file a half dozen fraudulent lawsuits?

I hope a judge smacks them.

Kbin_space_program ,

Didn't say they couldn't afford them. They didn't want to pay that expense

givesomefucks ,

Lawyers cost a lot to win a case like this.

One lawyer to send letters to 20 people demanding they all each pay...

That doesn't cost much, might actually work, and stalls the issue.

Mirshe ,

And leaves you enough time to close up shop, declare bankruptcy, and walk into court with Groucho glasses saying "your honor, clearly this suit is filed towards Romanes Eunt Domum. The company I run now is Romanes Eunt Domus."

CosmicTurtle ,

But they can't just "restore" the property, it was full of mature native trees/plants and for bulldozed.

Oh God.....tree law....I never realized how much I missed this.

givesomefucks ,

Psh, the trees are the easy part, trees (for the most part) stay where you plant them.

Good luck reintroducing the pocono swallow, or even being able to afford to fly a Bird Law specialist out from Philly to determine damages.

Seriously tho, this lady just got a $500k house and probably a 1/10th of that in damages for a lot she paid 22k for.

dylanmorgan ,

A house that increased her taxes tenfold and that the developers are saying she can’t have.

givesomefucks ,

Eh.

I read an article a couple days ago

She bought it super cheap when it was an isolated lot in an undeveloped area to be used as a retreat.

Then this developer built a shit ton of house all over, even if her lot was the same, the area was drastically changed.

Like, I get it, it sucks for her.

But it would have been even worse if they didn't build a house there.

stoly ,

You just decided that what you think she should do with her property is more important than what she thinks she should do with her property.

AA5B ,

It also says this was discovered when they sold the house. Hopefully that sale fell through with no clear title, but someone else may think it’s theirs

JJROKCZ ,

According to the article I read yesterday there are squatters in the house refusing to leave

ColeSloth ,

You don't understand tree law. A same tree of about the same size and age must be transported and planted where the old one was. It can cost well over $20,000 per tree. They don't get to just plant a sapling and say "20 years from now, you're all good".

Then it also has to survive the transplant and a fair amount don't, so must be replaced again if they fall over or die from the move.

tootoughtoremember ,

Just have the Lorax settle this

MadMonkey ,

Biggest thing I miss from old reddit. Oh well.

stoly ,

The restoration part is where everyone involved is totally screwed.

1stTime4MeInMCU ,

They also offered to “swap” her for the lot next door. F that, they should offer to buy it from her for fair market value

schmidtster ,

Is that not what they are doing by offering an identical lot next to it that cost the same?

billiam0202 ,

Doesn't sound the same, since one of them now has a house on it.

schmidtster ,

The options are restore it (identical lot next door), or a fair market value, which would be the cost of the land plus repair, or a suitable replacement. She ignored two fair trades that have plenty of precedent in courts, to achieve more damages than she should be entitled too. She definitely seems like she’s trying to get her cake and eat it here too.

You aren’t entitled to the value of the house, that’s going above and beyond damages.

Wrench ,

Yes. How dare her object to her property being irrevocably changed without her consent. How dare she not just roll over and accept a completely different property in exchange to make it easy on them.

No two properties are the same. You can't decide for another that your attempt at a compromise (that only benefits you) is sufficient.

schmidtster ,

Shit happens, she was given recourse and demanded far more than the damages she incurred.

How does swapping two properties benefit one? They need to pay for all the legal paperwork and everything, they aren’t coming out ahead, since the cost of the house would be the same on either property.

You seem to think the developer benefits here? Even though it’ll costs thousands of dollars in legal fees to process everything? And in the end all they have is a lot with a house, that they would have still had regardless? Where is the benefit to the developer?

And yes, when it comes track homes every property is more or less the exact same, that’s the entire point of them. Theres actually very few cases where lots have any significant difference to them, except for custom communities that are a rarity anywhere.

AA5B ,

The benefit to the developer is being able to be careless, make an expensive mistake, and get off for almost nothing

ShepherdPie ,

I do think they were careless but not malicious. There's no possible way to turn back the clock and put all the trees back in the lot, so she's going to have to settle for something besides what she started with.

JJROKCZ ,

Shit like this does not happen and when it does the person who fucked up needs to be taught the reason this is rare. In this case the developer needs to be held accountable, they won’t because they’ll file bankruptcy and open a new llc the following week though

wwyvern ,

I don't think the developer comes out ahead.. but I do think that the punishment on them should be punitive to the point of causing them to never do it again. Swapping out a fully treed lot (that the owner wanted) with a flat wasteland with a house on it could inequitable, depending on what you value. If they can give her one the same size as hers, fully wooded, that might matter.

fidodo ,

Why don't they just pick up the house, and put it over there?

Seriously, I've seen houses being moved on trucks before, would it be faster and cheaper to do that?

Atom ,

It looks like slab on grade construction, there's no moving those. The houses that can be moved are up on posts or over a basement.

snausagesinablanket ,
@snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world avatar

The land has permanent damage and no trees genius.

schmidtster ,

Which is why she was offered the identical lot next door that still has all of that?

Buffalobuffalo ,

It has all the original trees from her lot? It has the same gradient, adjacent gradients and stone? There's tons of differences between any two lands and equivalency would be up to the injured party -which they denied. Any judgement would be to make the injured whole or reach an agreement. Stamping your feet like the developer has any defensibility in their negligence is laughable.

ShepherdPie ,

You also can't look at this like a winning lottery ticket where you'll be flush with cash for the rest of your life because of it.

Taking this to trial could wind up with the woman only getting her $22k back and missing out on the other identical property or keeping her same property with a free $500k house on it. The developers royally fucked up here but it's not like they maliciously clear-cut her land and built a house on it which would be something that should come with a hefty penalty.

I think the court is just going to try to make her 'whole' which comes with the risk of missing out on a much better pre-trial settlement since her actual investment in the property was only $22k. This is not too different than you accidently getting into a fender bender at low speed and the other party suing you for millions of dollars due to 'pain and suffering.' The court isn't going to reward someone for being greedy.

NikkiDimes ,

So, protip for future developers: is there a nicer lot next to yours that you want? Build a house on it and go "whoopsie" and offer tradesies

supersquirrel ,

Surveyors: Actually a really important job because without them nobody knows where the fuck anything actually is in any precise way, nor does anyone actually know they own the land they think they do.

ChonkyOwlbear ,

Or just give the property the owner the house for free in exchange for not suing and cut their losses. Would probably be cheaper in the long run, especially counting legal fees.

AngryCommieKender ,

She doesn't want the house because it balloons the taxes on the property from a few hundred to thousands per year

stoly ,

First: she has a right to be made whole and it’s not her concern what the people who wronged her have to go through to do that.

Second: she never wanted a house. She had a special vision for the space, a space that has now been damaged.

Third: squatters have rights and she may not be able to evict them. Their rights may take precedence over hers here.

RazorsLedge ,

Wouldn't the property owner already own the house?

toiletobserver ,

Dear dumbass,

Please remove your abandoned property.

Love,

Attorney with the easiest job ever

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

The still vacant three-bedroom, two-bath house on a 1-acre lot in Puna’s Hawaiian Paradise Park is worth about $500,000. But it could cost a lot of people more than that as they head to court to sort it out.

Wow. A house is cheaper in Hawaii than it is in SoCal?

The housemate of my mother just sold her mother's house in Orange County. 2 bedroom and 1 bath, so smaller, for over $1 million.

jordanlund ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Well, sure, if you don't own the land it's built on. :)

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