TokenBoomer ,

Judging by the comments in this thread; we should try talking to them.

avater ,
@avater@lemmy.world avatar

Shoot them? I mean you have guns over there right, so for fuck sake use them at least once for a good reason.

m13 ,

Exactly. Americans are always going on about how they need guns to defend themselves from tyranny.

You have tyranny marching on your streets. Just go and shoot them with your guns. What’s the issue?

Thorny_Insight ,

What's the issue?

You don't see any issue in allowing vigilante justice where civilians are free to murder people on the streets that have differing opinions from that of their own? Is this the world you want to live in? You think there's any chance the outcome might be something different than what you hoped for?

Hadriscus ,

Being nazi is "having a differing opinion"?

Thorny_Insight ,

Opinion, world view, religion, sexuality, race ...

This isn't about just nazies. If one advocates for a world where common people are allowed to take justice into their own hands and just murder people perceived to be bad then that is a horribly violent world where nobody is safe. I would be making the exact same argument on a right wing forum where someone suggest we should just shoot the communists. That's a horribly ignorant thing to say.

Ensign_Crab ,

perceived to be bad

Nazis, dude. "Perceived," my ass.

TokenBoomer ,

Pacifism didn’t win WW2, and it won’t win now. This “enlightened centrist” take is why this is happening again. Libs, socDems, demSocs, anarchists, Marxists and communists need to realize that fascism is here. It’s not going away with “talks.”

DeepGradientAscent ,
@DeepGradientAscent@programming.dev avatar

And one mustn't forget an important detail: the authoritarian fascists started the fight, and their authoritarian communist allies joined in with them, until they too were betrayed.

Absolutism. Authoritarianism. Totalitarianism. Monarchism. Fascism. Syndicalism.

The state. The crown. The party. The god. The familia.

They want power over everything, forever. They only deserve utter annihilation; they're a cancer upon mankind.

TokenBoomer , (edited )

Don’t think I don’t recognize what you’re saying. Deal with your tankie problem after the fascism, not before. Hold the hate for later. The fascists will use our disagreements against us. Don’t let them. We need all hands on deck. If the United States and Britain can work together with tankies to defeat fascism, you can too.

Thorny_Insight ,

People here are literally advocating murdering others for thought crimes. They only need to hold a set of certain beliefs and that is a good enough justification to murder them. No, actually it's even worse; people only need to think you hold a set of beliefs and that's enough. One doesn't need a PhD. to figure out how a society acting in that way will go sideways in a heartbeat.

TokenBoomer ,

Ask Heather Heyer if she thinks Nazism is just a thought crime?

Read about the Paradox of Tolerance before the leopards eat your face.

mods_are_assholes ,

The only good nazi is a dead nazi.

Either you clean them out now, or they take over.

History is VERY clear on this point.

Toastypickle ,

We tried calling in the police but strangely they were all busy with some other event.

TokenBoomer ,

👀

Preventer79 ,

For anyone wondering, the group is the "Blood Tribe" led by Christopher Pohlhaus.

https://www.adl.org/glossary/christopher-pohlhaus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_Tribe_(neo-Nazi_group)

ininewcrow ,
@ininewcrow@lemmy.ca avatar

People have to step up and denounce this stuff publically, openly and loudly enough everywhere. And I don't mean causing violence, attacking or assaulting anyone in any way. I mean more people should step up and just state how they do not accept this and pressure their government representatives to act and do something and say something to discourage individuals like this.

If people are silent, and don't know about it then they are just the ignorant masses.

If they are silent but know that it is happening but still say nothing ... then they are complicit, because their silence is an acceptance of movements like this.

American is slowly diving into a rabbit hole that the world already visited almost a century ago.

It's easy to deal with now and it's easy to stand up and tell everyone you don't accept this.

The longer everyone stays silent and passive, the more their chances of saying anything evaporates.

When it goes on for too long and too far .... it takes far more energy and activism to stop this ugly movements.

The last time it went too far ... it took a world war and millions of dead everywhere in order to stop it ... and even then, it wasn't stopped, it was just merely controlled and brought down to a manageable level because it never really disappeared.

DABDA ,
@DABDA@lemmy.world avatar

Well said.

Principiis obsta et respice finem — 'Resist the beginnings' and 'Consider the end.'

TokenBoomer ,

The Brits didn’t defeat Mosley and his fascism with denouncements.

In October 1937 in Liverpool, he was knocked unconscious by two stones thrown by crowd members after he delivered a fascist salute to 8,000 people from the top of a van in Walton.

ininewcrow ,
@ininewcrow@lemmy.ca avatar

The idiots in the news story are a small group of masked thugs that don't even want to be identified. So they would be far easier to denounce with words and counter protest.

Mosley was an open political leader that plastered his name everywhere and led mass public rallies that had a sizeable following. He also had a lot of political support and funding by wealthy backers who believed in this movement. Even the royal family had deep and sympathetic connections to fascist and far right ideology. At the point in history at the height of his movement ... there was not much else to do than to throw a stone at his face to stop him from going further.

TokenBoomer ,

Why not denounce them while throwing stones?

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/e43ec18c-51e3-4a9d-976c-9ce056ce776a.jpeg

ininewcrow ,
@ininewcrow@lemmy.ca avatar

Then you would be no better than them

100 people denouncing 10 people is far more convincing than 1 person using violence against 10 opponents because those ten people now have the excuse to use more violence to promote their movement.

Start with education, awareness, promotion, public support and campaigning against these movements .... violence only comes when there are no more options left and there is no longer anything else to lose.

TokenBoomer ,

Nice pontificating. I don’t disagree. I’m glad you still have that luxury. I’ll find a nice brick and save it for you if the shit hits the fan.

Edit: See ya in 7 months.

halcyoncmdr ,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

Of course they were wearing masks. If they sincerely thought their beliefs were in the right, they wouldn't care if people knew who they were. They would proudly show themselves and stand behind those beliefs publicly.

Cowards.

Vorticity ,

Not defending them, but they can certainly think they are in the right and realize that most of society violently disagrees with them. I'd say they were smart to wear masks to avoid repercussions from their vile, awful, hateful behavior.

I hope that if their names come out that they lose their jobs, get their asses kicked, get disowned by family and friends, and get run out of town. They know that many people feel the same as I do so, even if they really believe the filth they represent, they are probably scared to show their faces.

j_roby , (edited )
@j_roby@slrpnk.net avatar

This is a common trope in these topics. And I gotta say, to be perfectly honest, that I hate it.

Leftists/anti-fascists also rely on having face coverings to protect themselves from state repression, and doxxing from nazis, despite being right in their beliefs.

I get where you're coming from with the sentiment, I do. But rather than taking issue with the masks themselves, I'd recommend taking action (or at least encouraging it) and physically removing their masks so they can be properly doxxed themselves and face the consequences of their violent and hateful beliefs.

Edit: Case in point, here's a link to a video of the Proud Boys fighting with another, smaller, local neo Nazi group where they start to de-mask each other, towards the end of the video. They know that being exposed to the public is detrimental to their livelihoods, but will still do it to each other whenever there's a conflict.

Take note of that, and act accordingly.

MxM111 ,

It is MORE THAN A DOZEN!!!! Like 14!!!! Maybe even 15!!!!

I think the best thing to do is to let them humiliate themselves.

orclev ,

The best thing to do is punch them and toss them in the deepest hole you can find. The second best thing to do is to let them humiliate themselves. You just have to be careful with that second one though because of the saying about a nazi drinking at a bar.

MxM111 ,

I disagree. You can fight them not descending to their level. You are better.

The_Cleanup_Batter ,

I could sit at home jerking off with Cheeto dust on my titties and be better than them, but that doesn't get Nazis off the street. They already understand that their actions are wrong that's why they wear masks. They are not humiliated, humiliation won't work.

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

You don’t tolerate intolerance.

a_wild_mimic_appears ,

https://reddit.simo.sh/img/q122j9knwyt11.png

Kalkaline ,
@Kalkaline@leminal.space avatar

Be like Captain America

https://leminal.space/pictrs/image/851a065c-6836-4ecd-a483-e3f4612ff637.jpeg

j_roby ,
@j_roby@slrpnk.net avatar

https://slrpnk.net/pictrs/image/5c817cd5-61ee-4fba-8097-3c4b07e9446a.webp

Cethin ,

Is that a third character in the middle back or is that Captain America's fist with some orange effect in front of it? I've been trying to make out who it's supposed to be but can't get anywhere.

obviouspornalt ,

It might be Rocket Man.

https://pdsh.fandom.com/wiki/Rocket_Man

Cethin ,

That was close enough to get me to The Rocketeer, which the poster is clearly what's there. Good guess! I thought I recognized the helmet, but it's just blurry enough that it looks like it could have been something else.

j_roby ,
@j_roby@slrpnk.net avatar

It's The Rocketeer

E: oops, I replied from my inbox without seeing that this was already answered

some_guy ,

Nazi scum.

fedroxx ,

Nazis are one of the United States oldest enemies. I get free speech but I still don't understand why there isn't a K.O.S. order to all able-bodied Americans for any Nazi. When someone is identified as a Nazi, it should not only be legal, but an order for any armed person in the country to open fire. Immediately.

captainjaneway ,
@captainjaneway@lemmy.world avatar

Who governs this body of K.O.S. targets? Is it a democratically elected position? What happens if the wrong person is elected to this position and suddenly Muslims, queer, or communists are placed on this list?

j_roby ,
@j_roby@slrpnk.net avatar

I could be wrong, but this appears to be Blood Tribe, they've been pretty active in Florida recently

Edit: missed the part of the article where they mention their shirts confirming this

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