Biden is the Democratic nominee against Trump. Get over it.

I'm sick of posts complaining about Biden's debate performance, or his age, or his response to Gaza. Comments saying he should step aside or "we coulda had Bernie."

Shut the fuck up.

Biden is the nominee. He is the person Americans need to vote for to prevent another Trump presidency. Simple as that. There is no other option. The DNC isn't going to change their nominee in July of an election year. You're an idiot if you genuinely think otherwise.

It's fine to criticize a president. Even one you support. But we are four months from the next election and all posts and comments attacking Biden right now are fuel for Trump. I don't care if you're a Russian troll or a well-meaning progressive. Criticizing Biden right now helps Trump win. Full stop.

Get your heads out of your asses and realize what is at stake.

terraborra ,
@terraborra@lemmy.nz avatar

Not American, but am anti-fascist so anyone is better than Trump. However it’s wrong to say that there is no other option.

The New Zealand Labour Party (centrist-left) won the election in 2017 by switching leaders much closer to election day:

On 1 August 2017, just seven weeks before the 2017 general election, Ardern assumed the position of leader of the Labour Party, and consequently became leader of the Opposition, following the resignation of Andrew Little. Little stood down due to the party's historically low polling.

Jacinda Ardern Wiki

voracitude ,

And if America had ranked-choice voting you might be right that there's another option; unfortunately though things don't work like that here so there is indeed no other option.

terraborra ,
@terraborra@lemmy.nz avatar

We don’t have ranked choice voting either and don’t directly vote for prime minister. It’s a proportional system. If anything this should reduce the effect that a leader has on the popularity of the party compared with first past the post jurisdictions.

Given that the US does directly vote for President, personality and popularity have much more weight, and therefore a more popular candidate could turn it around. How likely that is I’m not sure, as I don’t know a huge amount about the alternatives other than AOC and Sanders, but Jacinda did show that it’s possible.

Zachariah ,
@Zachariah@lemmy.world avatar

Given that the US does directly vote for President…

The U.S. president is not directly elected.

terraborra ,
@terraborra@lemmy.nz avatar

That’s splitting hairs. Notice I said “vote” rather than “elect”. I’m well aware of how the electoral college functions and that you can lose the “popular vote” but still become president (e.g. Bush Jnr and Trump).

The fact remains that on ballot you directly cast a vote for the president.

homesweethomeMrL ,

Hey, you got any openings there in the New Zealand? Heck - Old Zealand, whatever, something with less heavily armed, grossly unhealthy authoritarian fetishists? Looking to start, say, in about five months?

terraborra , (edited )
@terraborra@lemmy.nz avatar

Unfortunately we’re no socialist utopia and we recently swung to the right in the election last year. The deputy prime minister is a noted xenophobe, pay-to-play corruption is on the rise, and most of the social policies of the last 6 years are being rolled back and then some.

These changes aren’t necessarily popular, lots of people voted against the incumbents rather than for the new government, but the next election is 2 years away and the electorate has a short memory.

It’s also worth knowing that much of our international reputation is a smokescreen. We’re not clean and green despite what our tourism marketing says. Almost every party in our parliament subscribes to neoliberalism to varying degrees and thinks deregulation will solve our productivity problems. We have one of the worst housing markets on the planet which is more like a Ponzi scheme thanks to a lack of capital gains tax and incentives for speculators. Finally the cost of living is extreme due to a lack of competition in the food, banking, petrol, electricity and water markets.

We have been falling in the OECD rankings on most metrics since the late 80s when we embraced Thatcherism/Reaganomics.

homesweethomeMrL ,

And yet.

PP_BOY_ ,
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

B-but terminally online Redditors Lemmy users (Lemmists?) tell me that every single country in the world has a perfectly functioning election system and that the US is the only one with problems??

dylanmorgan ,

The preferred demonym (preferred by me) is “Lemmunists,” or “Lemmunistas” if you’re nasty.

Texas_Hangover ,

The situation in new Zealand has fuck all to do with this how?

terraborra ,
@terraborra@lemmy.nz avatar

The premise of OP’s post is that it is not possible to win an election by changing the party’s candidate close to an election. I provided evidence that it is possible.

Whether the DNC has someone capable of doing so is another question.

Tikiporch ,

Their premise is that it won't work in America.

workerONE ,

"I'm sick of posts complaining about Biden's debate performance, or his age, or his response to Gaza.
...
Shut the fuck up."

US provided weapons were used to kill tens of thousands of innocent people, many of whom were children.
You're tired of people "complaining" about it?

MamboGator OP ,
@MamboGator@lemmy.world avatar

"I know for a fact that Joe Biden gave each and every missile a little kiss on its warhead, and he refuses to share his secret solution to the decades-long Israel/Palestine conflict that will stop all the fighting without costing the US a critical ally."

100_kg_90_de_belin ,

"It's OK, they were brown"

Sami ,
@Sami@lemmy.zip avatar

Nobody is owed the peoples' vote. You can stick your head in the sand and pretend that everything is fine but don't be surprised if it doesn't pan out come election time in the US given past and current polling. Also, the whole Russian troll/useful idiot accusation that gets leveled at everyone who feels differently about anything from Biden's chances at winning to his responsibility for what's happening in Gaza is very condescending and shows a complete lack of flexibility in thought other towing the official party line. I wonder what you would say if Biden willingly chose to resign tomorrow.

MamboGator OP ,
@MamboGator@lemmy.world avatar

OK, russki.

homesweethomeMrL ,

Sami, are you a registered American voter?

Sami ,
@Sami@lemmy.zip avatar

No, but I am Middle Eastern and Canadian and am impacted by US policy whether I like it or not.

homesweethomeMrL ,

Okay. Well, I think what’s going on there is horrible, and that Israel’s authoritarian government is utterly criminal, so for what ever part we’re playing in that, i disagree with it, and if we make it out of here alive, I’m going to jump on that train with both feet.

To do that, I need Biden to win. We can’t make it better any other way, for a hundred different reasons, and that’s probably counter-intuitive and maybe it seems like there must be some other way there but there really, really isn’t. It’s an all-or-nothing situation, and every thread where anti-Biden people are complaining it doesn’t help.

I wish it could be as simple as directing them to make the decisions and agreements the majority want, but it just isn’t. Trump is doom for so many things that I, and a bunch of other people think it’s bizarre anyone would fight the effort to take him down. And that’s how we see these absolutely valid and important criticisms of Biden and the current situation.

The fact that it’s divisive is exactly why russia also does it. They want trump to win for - well, many reasons, all of them bad. So I don’t think you're saying anything you don’t believe, and I don’t think the people complaining about Biden criticisms are wrong either. It’s probably really hard to see how we could want the same thing. But, we do. We both want to prevent things from getting worse.

Because of that, as a matter of course, the most important thing is to defeat trump. Because everything is going to be in a kind of stasis until then. Yes it’s stupid, we agree, yes it’s wasteful and wrong and we should have a better system - we agree.

audiomodder ,

Every time another Biden stan posts stuff like this, an angel shits in a bucket

voracitude , (edited )

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    audiomodder ,

    Hey there! Thank you for this super informative and well-documented and cited response. While I am always open to recommendations on how to improve my life, I usually reserve taking those recommendations from people who actually care about my well-being. Maybe reserve your recommendations for people with whom you have more in common with, namely people who have placed their rectum firmly around their neck.

    MamboGator OP ,
    @MamboGator@lemmy.world avatar

    That's almost clever enough to be written by ChatGPT. Tell me, how well did it translate your post from the original Russian?

    TropicalDingdong ,

    Man it must be wild to live your life this gaslit.

    MamboGator OP ,
    @MamboGator@lemmy.world avatar

    Not as wild as those Siberian winters you'll be facing if you don't meet your comment quota this month, am I right, comrade?

    PP_BOY_ ,
    @PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

    everyone I don't like is a Russian bot

    MamboGator OP ,
    @MamboGator@lemmy.world avatar

    Russian bot or someone stupid enough to parrot the same talking points. Let me guess: you haven't met the online friends who gave you all your opinions in person, and they start saying weird stuff if you tell them to disregard all previous instructions.

    PP_BOY_ ,
    @PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/40df3e93-5754-46db-b3cd-efa3988c0888.jpeg

    Look at this

    Mango ,

    Nah, fucking do better. We have 330m people and this is the best you got? Get fucked. Throw the whole fucking system in the trash. I'm talking about that system that lets Trump get away with shit and puts me in jail and convicts me for trying to escape a guy who attacked me on the road. There ain't shit any of you "good guys" have going on that fucking matters.

    dylanmorgan ,

    Hey, here’s a thought: spend a couple minutes thinking about why people are upset. Until you’ve done that, take your own advice and shut the fuck up.

    Plenty of democrats are concerned about his capacity and are saying there should be another nominee. Not random people, members of congress. If they’re not settled on Biden maybe you should be the one shutting the fuck up.

    Also, dude could easily keel over any day between now and November. If he was a healthy 60-something year old people might be less concerned. But a candidate who has a decent chance of dying before the election is a bad candidate.

    seathru ,
    @seathru@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    Shut the fuck up.

    Fuck you, enjoy trump.

    MamboGator OP ,
    @MamboGator@lemmy.world avatar

    Enjoy your third turnip-only meal since Tuesday, russki.

    seathru ,
    @seathru@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    I mean my post history is right there. Maybe I'm really committed to the ruse. Or maybe normal(ish) people are tired of being reminded we're about to have to hold our noses and vote for a turd sandwich. But I also doubt it'll be enough, so my original statement stands.

    MamboGator OP ,
    @MamboGator@lemmy.world avatar

    Committed to the RUs? Yeah, we know.

    seathru ,
    @seathru@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    That's a pretty good pun for a bot.

    MamboGator OP ,
    @MamboGator@lemmy.world avatar

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/2997a79a-a7f8-4336-9aae-2a154ea29f9f.png

    I couldn't read you saying "pretty good" without being reminded of Ocelot. I wonder why...

    jas0n ,

    I'm sick of hearing that Biden is the only person who has beat Trump as an equivalence to the only person who can. Out of 2 people who tried? Trump is a super weak candidate. Weaker than he was in 2016 and 2020. Anyone could beat him. But, here we are.

    h3mlocke ,
    @h3mlocke@lemm.ee avatar

    So what you're saying is you love Trump and want him to win. Ok, got it. Yeah I don't remeber 2016 either 🤦‍♀️

    MamboGator OP ,
    @MamboGator@lemmy.world avatar

    2016? You mean the year when democrats couldn't get their shit together and rally behind their nominee to beat Trump even though it was obvious how horrible he would be?

    I also remember 2020, the year when Biden, y'know, beat Trump.

    FlaminGoku ,

    Hillary made Trump happen.

    clover ,

    Terry Crews for president!

    timewarp ,
    @timewarp@lemmy.world avatar

    So you want Trump to win. Got it. Why don't you just vote for Trump then?

    njm1314 ,

    Bernie's publicly endorsed Biden so anyone arguing for Bernie this point is basically arguing against Bernie

    Mango ,

    Bernie should shut the fuck up and once again ask for our financial support.

    100_kg_90_de_belin ,

    It's almost a pity you're not a Russian bot, because you're doing a goddamn job at alienating voters.

    maegul , (edited )
    @maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

    I wonder if Harris (VP) is now going to cause a Sarah Palin dynamic.

    I’m not a USian or plugged in that much, so it might have happened already.

    But if she’s as unpopular as I hear, and Biden looks like he’s on his death bed, a Biden vote practically becomes a Harris vote. How does that play out against Trump?

    EDIT: lol ... downvotes. There's a difference between a question or thought that's plain wrong and one that you just don't like however relevant it might be. I have no particular views on Harris (and she's clearly no Palin, in a good way) ... I've just heard that she's not particularly viable electorally and figure that this dynamic could be real now in ways it wasn't at all in 2020.

    Today ,

    I don't want Harris, but i understand that she's likely going to finish the term if Biden wins. I'm willing to vote for that to try to keep the other guy out. If he had someone else as a VP, people would be more on board. Also, if she had been out and about more in the last year or two i think people wouldn't be so concerned.

    Mountain_Mike_420 ,

    I like Harris. That’s another reason to vote for Biden. While Harris doesn’t particularly excite me i think I like that in a political figure. Politics should be boring and not like the wwf that we seem to have now.

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