Every time something like this gets posted, there are always Lemmy users crying to defederate their Lemmy instances.
But remember, the current concern is with Mastodon, NOT Lemmy. Lemmy can’t actually view the post types that Masto and Threads make. Wendy’s can post all the Threads ads they want - we’re not going to see them here. We can’t. That hasn’t been built.
Try it. Go view someone’s Mastodon account in Lemmy. You don’t see their posts.
It's not us seeing Threads that's the problem, it's Threads seeing us (and thereby trapping all of us in their sticky web we tried to escape, what with their shadow profiles and whatnot).
So what would stop them from shadow profiling you by scraping content, or using a different domain? Most lemmy instances are configured to federate with a blocklist, meaning any unblocked instance can download data. Facebook can just make an instance under a different domain and download the data that way. Or they can just scrape user data from the web facing interface.
Posts and comments on lemmy are public. If facebook wants your publicly accessible data from the fediverse, de-federating from threads isn't going to stop them.
we’re not going to see them here. We can’t. That hasn’t been built.
It has been partially built insofar as Kbin and Mbin can see Mastodon posts here and Mastodon interacts with us. Wouldn't surprise me if Lemmy eventually gets some of that functionality too.
If Meta starts to EEE ActivityPub that will affect all of us.
You will in fact see their posts if they reply to Lemmy comments. They'll then appear as comments in Lemmy. I believe Mastodon users can also post to communities by using hashtags, though I'm not 100% clear on that.
When you @ mention a community from Lemmy as a user on Mastodon you can post to that community from Mastodon. The first sentence of your Mastodon post will be used as the title, which is why they often look so strange on the Lemmy side.
You can also follow a Lemmy community from Mastodon, but it gets a bit messy as every comment will be shown as a boost Mastodon side.
I hope the groups addition that Mastodon is working on will fix that mess.
I post stuff on lemmy via my mastodon account so I don't have to deal with image hosting on my lemmy instance, so its not quite that simple. You're not wrong, but they do interact
@Ghostalmedia@deadsuperhero I think the fact that I was able to see and reply to this comment of yours from Mastodon proves this idea false, if you check the Post history of this account you will also find that content posted in Lemmy is visible.
They absolutely do interact, lemmy is way more Mastodon friendly than most people give it credit for, considering the fact that communities/groups, automatically boost every post and comment for visibility.
So people on Lemmy being concerned about poorly moderated or cesspool microblog instances is indeed a valid concern.
My favorate is I think it was them, right after they defedded lemmygrad they premptivly defedded hexbear... when Hexbear never had plans to federate with them
also I need to see this ... This will be hillarious, but I mean I would like to see .world try, if any instance could survive on their own it would be them, but I am not sure they can.
Liberals are ideologicaly pro capital, and pro IP, Piracy stands in the way of both of them. It would be expected that they would block it. Honestly just a matter of time
Because they're the ones toadying up to the actual capitalists; panting like dogs in heat for a crumb of acknowledgement from their self-selected 'betters'.
I mean are you trying to say I do not come into contact with enough instances? I mean I will fully admit that I am an out and out Marxist-Leninist, I do not see how that comes into play with me saying it is the most ideologicaly liberal and narrow of the instances I regularly contact.
I still do not see how my instance has to do with my political annalisis. I think my name would be a much more effective hit here. .ml is a general purous instance... I literaly have red army in my name. Not only does trying to say "Your a filthy red" not change my analisis, but you did not even use your one chance to chose the most obvious part ot say "OMG YOUR A FILTHY SCARY RED OMG YOUR COMING FOR MY TOOTHBRUSH" I mean, I cannot say I was expecting better, but I am disapointed none the less, my account is literaly the name of one of my dogs, and declaring they are a part of the Red Army, the Army of the USSR... I feel like that would have been a much easier grab
I'm not going to say liberals don't go there to shitpost like ML do here. But the admins on world haven't been summarily banning people for "tanky shit" like the ML admins have been banning for "liberal shit". The hypocrisy of your critique is why they rightfully call out those from there. You. Making them.
To be clear, I agree that world trends centrist to right. But as an anarcho communist anti Leninist I feel much more welcome here than ML. Though there definitely is nothing more on brand than ml hypocritically criticizing liberals and liberals hypocritically criticizing ml.
Yes I have been here for over 2 years, and before we get into it, we must understand where our biases are. When looking at a group the closer they are to you, the more difrent shades you can see. This is why I declared where I was, and why I would consider Lemmygrad more Ideoligistacly open than .World, because when I interact with people from that instance I can see more minor variations.
That being said Lemmy.world when I interact with them, I can play bingo with their answers, and I would say in ideological narrowness it would be either .world or beehaw. Not only this but the Anarchist hub tends to be Hexbear, that being a Left Unity instance, and Anti Leninists, I would like to hear more about this, because I have not heard a Luxemburgist in forever, and while I would love to say I have heard an Orthodox Marxist, most people who self identify like that are merly social democrats. .ML is a generalist instance, and I feel like the hate whip up is far overblown and agian part of my evidence for the ideological narrowness. Is moderation here perfect no, but ML does not ban for being "a liberal" they have a difrent reason behind it. If you want to be banned for being a liberal go to Lemmygrad or Hexbear.
Also I hate to blame it to you, but .world does do the summary banning for "Tanky shit" that is why they decided to without prompting to defederate with lemmygrad, because they could not handle communists existing. This is the reason they preimptivly defederated hexbear before they even joined, and this is the reason they are debating defederating .ML.
We all have biases and it is important to agnoledge them, and what they mean, I am free and open with mine. You have not been for yours.
It was a rhetorical question. It didn't require an answer. I can see what instance you're from. And even what instance this is posted to. And I know that even by saying the T word. Even though I refrain from using it personally. Only using it as others would slur you. Because you use liberal as such. All in furtherance of trying to point out the bad faith and hypocrisy on display.
I'm 50, from the US. Raised in a traditionally liberal family. Goth since the 80s, and absolutely a black sheep. I'll criticize liberals all day every day when they deserve it. No love for them here. I got nothing to hide. And frankly who you're close to. That's a red herring. You will almost never find someone who attacks ml power structures on countries more often and more viciously than people formerly from them.
Respectfully, I get that you have a lot of people disingenuously attacking your ideology as much as you do theirs. But people can and do have valid criticisms and problems with it. Despite being generally down for Marxism. I don't see any reason for anyone outside of my machine shop to own the means of production there. Only people from the shop should. Not some Baker who will never set foot in it. Not some politician in some politburo thousands of miles away.
Frankly we have huge issues here with not having enough parties actually able to represent people. I don't see how having less parties is going to fix that. Nor do I see the benefit of having a party in charge that would seek to jail me for life, possibly kill me, or brainwash me for dissenting with the state. There is no re-education. Only education and brainwashing. I will gladly take people ignoring me or looking at me incredulously over that sort of s*** any day.
Someone should tell Hong Kong. I'm sure that will make them feel much better. Considering everything that's been happening to them lately.
And I'll give you this much. Liberals disingenuously use ml as their main foil against any sort of leftism/socialism. To the point it seems to many uneducated people like ml might actually be the left as you claim. It's bs, there are lots of other types of leftists. But this is part of the problem with many ml. Denying and alienating all other leftists. And everyone else with the no true leftist schtick. That and the oppressive totalitarianism.
Relay/instance admins can choose which content goes through their relay on either platform
On nostr, your DMs are encrypted. In Mastodon, the admin of the sender and receiver can read them, as can anybody else who breaks into their server
On nostr, a relay admin can control what goes through their relay, but they can't stop you from following/DMing/being followed by whoever you want since you are typically connected to multiple relays at once. As long as one relay allows it, signal flows. Nostr provides the best of both worlds: moderated "public squares" according to your moderation preferences, autonomy to follow/dm/be followed by anybody you want (assuming that individual user hasn't blocked you).
On mastodon, your identity is tied to your instance. If your instance goes down, you lose your follow/followee list, DMs, etc. On Nostr, it's not, so this doesn't happen. Mastodon provides some functionality to migrate identity between instances but it's clunky and generally requires to have some form of advanced notice.
Both have all the same functions as twitter: tweet, reply, re-tweet, DM, like, etc.
And you can transfer your account to another instance and it retains your followers so that user i wrong too. But i still like that your account isn't tied to an instance feature of nostr.
Seems like a way of bullying community leaders into running their instances how Fedi Garden feels is appropriate. Which is intrinsically against the nature of the Fediverse, in that instances are meant to have their own autonomy.
Fedi Garden's position in this space is to be a directory, not a dictator. This feels like an overstep.
The nature of federation is that you can make your own instance with your own rules independent of a single walled garden and still participate with the other members. Create your own index if you don't like this one.
And that is exactly what Fedi Garden is going against here. This is not letting each instance to decide who they want to federate with and who not. They're telling instances to defederate threads.net or else.. That's forcing their values onto others and bullying them to do as they say. That is dictatorial.
They only list instances that share their principles. The only "forcing" being attempted here is the two of you insisting they need to list instances they don't want to list. The point of federation is that you can start your own list if you don't like their policies.
Sure, but Fedi Garden is seen as the de facto "primary" hub for this sort of information. There's a certain power dynamic at play in this sort of situation that is being weaponized.
It's like if LemmyWorld decided "We're exclusively a furry community now", after being the "main" Lemmy instance. Sure, they'd be within their right to do so, but it does a disservice to the Fediverse at large when things that can be seen as critical parts of the Fediverse's social infrastructure are suddenly slanted in any one particular way.
If it helps bring perspective. I've never even heard of Fedi Garden before this post. I did a lot of puzzling over choosing instances for Lemmy and Mastodon when I first joined and never saw a link to them. I'm not sure why they'd even be seen as a trusted list for a new users, since at joining the user also doesn't know anything about them or their values, reliability, or reputation.
Plus, once you're in the Fediverse you then learn you can just change instances. Once someone points out that [other instance] can talk to Threads users the individual can just switch or stay depending on their preferences.
I think communities/sites etc. on the fediverse should live and die by their decisions. They can make this decision if they want, time will tell if its the correct one or not. That is the nature of the fediverse!
It's funny to me how many big flare-ups and popular issues have been about defederating or controlling other instances but we've not really had a single popular event where users work on anything together to benefit community.
Individuals have made tools but there's not been calls to action and mass cooperation events for anything beside silencing unpopular groups. No community design discussions devising and implementing tools or features, no group efforts to catalog or document or display useful data...
I don't know if it's just that people here haven't considered the possibility of doing something positive or that outrage about others is just so much more compelling
Fedi.garden also has their own autonomy. They have the right to make whatever rules for their website they want. If you don't like how they run their list, then don't use it. Make your own. If people like yours better, they'll use it instead.
Well, a quick reminder that Lemmy.world is not all of Lemmy. Nintendo, the RIAA, the MPA(A), and other lawsuit-blasting organizations would have to tackle every single Lemmy instance.
Sure, one threatening letter is all that's needed to scare most server operators, but since there are a large variety of hosts located in jurisdictions around the world, it's not as simple as taking out the big player like it might be for Reddit.
Seems quite reasonable to remove illegal communities given how Lemmy works with the caching of all content locally. There is just a significant legal risk for the instance operators involved here.
Spoken like someone who either can't tell IP law is one of the main mechanics by which the white supremacist "rules-based world order" maintains its strangulatory, thieving grip on the world; or someone who relishes in that fact. Either way, unworthy of bending an ear to. "Those who do no research deserve no voice."
Wrong. My point is it is not worth regarding because it is an unjust 'legal' mechanic. That which is unjust demands breaching; such is the core of civil disobedience. Hence why I find your trying to quibble about how complicated it is like it even deserves heeding, or like you even deserve the point of view you're trying to push so fuckin funny.
The funny thing about Lemmygrad people is that you could tell me that this comment was an intentional caricature and it'd seem just as likely as it being genuine.
And the funny thing about kbin people is you strut around like you're some kind of enlightened Top Mind apart from the rest of the nazi bars and radlib echo chambers ActivityPub graciously lends their backending to when you're really no different from the rest of the hive.
That saying isn't trying to explain all of IP law. It's referring to products where there is no way to buy a copy you have permanent possession of. There's a reason you don't see the same fervor around pirating books.
Look, I agree with the feeling behind what you are saying, However its important to remember Morality is not the same as Legality, and while they can sometimes overlap they are difrent cosepts, Piricy is moral, but not legal. If you ask me, it is A ok to do somthing that is moral but illegal
Wannabe capitalist-tier commenting; tfu. Your breath reeks of Oxford polish and your brain is poisoned by vain, childish notions of 'owning' ideas like there's just an infinite supply of those under the sun.
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