leraje ,
@leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I'd been flirting on and off with Lemmy for a year or so, not using it seriously (different username) but then u/spez deciding to sell user data to LLM's coupled with the general air of permanent aggro in just about every sub led me to finally ditch it. I've had to go back a couple of times and every time I did I regretted it. It's become Twitter level users intertwined with bot armies all flinging shit at each other.

JustARegularNerd ,

The API changes were the starting point but it was when Spez said something along the lines of "Meh, all these annoyed users will come back"

A year later and I haven't been back and have no plans to.

hperrin ,

Killing third party apps. Fuck that. I didn’t even use a third party app, but that just showed me, clear as day, that they’re not concerned with their users, just money. They benefitted from third party apps, then just stuck a big middle finger to their developers and users.

leftzero ,

That greedy little pigboy Spez's API shenanigans.

HipsterTenZero ,
@HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone avatar

The official app was obnoxious, so I used a better 3rd party one. Then, they borked it. And then when I tried to just use the website it was obnoxious too. And then when I tried to use the old.website, It sucked specifically for my phone.

I don't want to deal with that, so I hopped aboard the bandwagon that was going on at the time, and its all been... pretty okay, actually.

JustARegularNerd ,

I was also pretty upset when they killed off the old mobile UI on i.reddit.com

I had an old iPod Touch at the time and I could even doomscroll on that

gedaliyah ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

Ultimately, the deciding factor was the API locking out 3rd party apps. I found the Reddit App to be unusable and poorly designed, but the final straw was the unblockable ads. By this I mean, unlike other social media, there is no way to opt out of a particular ad and be served another in its place. For some users this was not a big deal because all ads are equally annoying, but for other users it was actively harmful. Recovering alcoholics were served unskippable beer ads. Gambling addicts were served ads for sports betting websites and casinos. Being a religious minority, I was frequently in groups targeted with aggressive proselytizing. It's dehumanizing.

Without the ability to use the apps that were better designed more efficient and didn't serve offensive ads, the site was useless to me. I ended up deleting all of my posts and comments as a security measure. Years of posts made it likely that my account could make me personally identifiable. Initially I planned to keep some of my posts intact that were offering troubleshooting or expert content but without the use of api tools, the task of doing so was impossible.

The general toxicity of the site, indifference to bigotry, and the CEO/Corporate behavior were all contributions. It made it exhausting and unpleasant. so I was not too sad to leave.

dvdnet62 ,
@dvdnet62@feddit.nl avatar

if ads is your concern. revanced can take care of that

Moobythegoldensock ,

The API got me interested. Now I use both. Lemmy has no ads, better news, and better apps (currently on Arctic.) Reddit has a better desktop experience (well, new.reddit, I hate old.reddit and new new reddit) and better niche subs. I’d love it if Lemmy grew enough so that the niche experience reddit offers became viable.

unrushed233 ,

Found a fellow Arctic user, awesome!

OhmsLawn ,

We all have essentially the same answer.

How did a non-ex-redditor get here?

CaptDust ,

Dunno if I count but I read an article about Fediverse tech in like idk 2020, which lead me to mastodon and lemmy. I created an account on kbin but rarely used it except curiosity before API shit hit the fan.

Weirdfish ,

I never used Reddit directly, only Bacon Reader, when that stopped working, I gave up.

Monster96 ,

Reddit is Fun no longer worked, that was my initial reason for leaving. Then I started to see that reddit was becoming more of a corporate thing that regulated what we could see and couldn't see. I know it was like that before but now it just seems to be more...sanitized in a way if that makes sense.

ulkesh ,
@ulkesh@lemmy.world avatar

Because fuck Spez. Lying, greedy asshat.

TotallyNotSpez ,

Oi!

1984 ,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

I noticed that reddit stock has went up a lot and almost doubled. That shit company somehow managed to make everyone believe they have a future.

Kimdracula ,

They ban you for bs reasons. That's it, even if you don't go against their rules, apparently saying the truth is enough to get banned.

rustyfish ,
@rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar

They’ve been dicks with the API.

Also, Reddit is flooded with coomer level maniacs who are desperately looking for any kind of discussion. To the point they misread shit intentionally just to start some shit.

Aaaaaand I got banned from r/gaming for calling someone out when he tried to justify pedophilia. Mods must be professional SSB players.

Kimdracula ,

I don't see how's that related to a game

rustyfish ,
@rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar

Ah sorry. It’s kinda super specific. Back in the day there happened to be a couple of news about pro SSB players grooming minors. I tried to be funny and failed.

can Mod ,

Mods must be professional SSB players.

Dammit, I nearly forgot about all that.

j4k3 ,
@j4k3@lemmy.world avatar

The way the API changes were done showed a disconnect between public best interests as a public commons and corporate interests to monetize. It implied that I was being targeted individually for monetization. I feel that anyone collecting individual data about any human and selling that data is a new form of slavery through an ownership of a part of that person with the intent to manipulate. The manipulation of information through the nondeterministic targeting of search results is a coup of a pillar of democracy and all governments of the world. The free press must apply to all information on the internet. With the monopoly of only 2 relevant web crawlers providing results directly or indirectly, there is no freedom of information in digital form. This would be no different than every news paper stand being owned by two companies a hundred years ago. Targeting the individual directly is what the API move was designed to handle. So, to me, it was an attempt to enslave my digital autonomous person. When faced with such a subtle attempt to subterfuge one's autonomy, I feel like the choice was obvious.

Everything I say here is scraped, but only the server host knows my dwell time, sensors, and various fingerprinting mechanisms. Ideally I would self host, but lack the skill and resources. This place is still hosted in a datacenter, but I'm using the API through a 3rd party, so it is even more obscure. I used reddit through an app with a scraped interface before, when that quit working, I quit using the site. Reddit proved it can only get worse, not better.

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