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_haha_oh_wow_ , to United States | News & Politics in US Supreme Court backs anti-camping laws used against homeless people
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palordrolap , to World News in Squatters take London’s housing crisis into their own hands

"Homelessness is a direct political choice."

Talk about a quote that can be read both ways.

FlyingSquid Mod ,
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And, in fact, I initially read it the wrong way and thought, "they're not choosing this life."

Reverendender , to World News in Squatters take London’s housing crisis into their own hands
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I would say let's absolutely do this in the U.S., but we would definitely be shot

FlyingSquid Mod ,
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Squatting isn't even legal in the U.S. At least nowhere I've heard about.

And there are so many structures just in my not huge Indiana city that have been empty the entire decade or so I've lived here.

HobbitFoot ,

Squatting is only legal over time.

Silentiea ,
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It's totally illegal right up until it suddenly isn't squatting any more

DessertStorms , to World News in Squatters take London’s housing crisis into their own hands
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More power to them, we need collectives like this in every town and city. Build communities that exist to serve and support their members, not line the pockets of some already obscenely rich capitalist that has probably never even set foot locally.

disguy_ovahea , (edited ) to News in UK: Rights group wins appeal over investigation into 'slave labour' cotton produced in China's Xinjiang region

What is the likelihood that the NCA will act? I’d love to see more global resistance against the treatment of the Uyghurs.

I’ve been trying to avoid purchasing Chinese imports for years. It’s near impossible in the US, but it will become easier with more nations reducing the global reliance on Chinese manufacturing. The Chinese treatment of the Uyghurs is horrific.

In Xinjiang, the government is the trafficker. Authorities use threats of physical violence, forcible drug intake, physical and sexual abuse, and torture to force detainees to work in adjacent or off-site factories or worksites producing garments, footwear, carpets, yarn, food products, holiday decorations, building materials, extractives, materials for solar power equipment and other renewable energy components, consumer electronics, bedding, hair products, cleaning supplies, personal protective equipment, face masks, chemicals, pharmaceuticals, and other goods—and these goods are finding their way into businesses and homes around the world.

https://www.state.gov/forced-labor-in-chinas-xinjiang-region/

nondescripthandle ,

I only know what I read about the NCA but are they the right organization for the job when it comes to allegations against a foreign government of a crime committed under said governments jurisdiction? Im not aware of how international their scope is.

andrew_bidlaw , (edited ) to Ukraine in Ukraine military says Russian troops pushed out of part of key eastern town
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Recently some hallucinating z-blogger (allegedly, WarGonzo) posted that a group of british spec ops got deployed there, and how they are all pumped up to face them. Brits haven't even arrived, no surprise, but it seems the ouija board flipped over and hit this fortune-teller hard. Looking forward to his other predictions if that's the trend now.

MyDogLovesMe , to Space in Russian satellite breaks up in space, forces ISS astronauts to shelter

cough KesslerSyndrome cough

Boomkop3 ,

What's that?

massacre ,

KesslerSyndrome

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kessler_syndrome

I don't get the cough like it was some secret that was openly known or should be hidden?

Boomkop3 ,

What cough?

letsgo , to Space in Russian satellite breaks up in space, forces ISS astronauts to shelter

Putin blaming the USA and their "Ukrainian puppets" in 3... 2...

SplashJackson , to Space in Russian satellite breaks up in space, forces ISS astronauts to shelter

Shelter where, the moon?

iegod ,

Why bother reading the article

otter Mod , to Space in Russian satellite breaks up in space, forces ISS astronauts to shelter
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Didn't notice this was already posted, here's another link / quoted content

https://earthsky.org/spaceflight/russian-satellite-breakup-iss-astronauts-shelter-june-26-2024/

Russian satellite breakup sends ISS astronauts to shelter

On Wednesday, June 26, 2024, shortly after 9 p.m. EDT, NASA instructed the nine astronauts aboard the International Space Station to head to their shelters. This precautionary measure was in response to the breakup of a Russian satellite, RESURS-P1. The astronauts spent about an hour in their shelters before it became clear the space station was not in the path of the debris.

More on RESURS-P1

According to Leo Labs, a California company that provides collision avoidance service and real-time conjunction alerts for satellite operators:

The approximately 6,000 kg [13,000 lb] satellite was in a nearly circular orbit at about 355 km [220 miles up] at the time of the event.

While it is not yet clear what caused the breakup of the Russian satellite, the satellite ended its service back in 2021. So what was previously one defunct space object is now more than 100 pieces. With the increasing amounts of satellites, both operational and past their useful lives, accumulating in orbit, the crowded space around Earth is becoming more and more of a concern. According to the Orbiting Now website, there are currently more than 10,000 active satellites in orbit around Earth, with nearly 3,000 inactive satellites still in orbit.

FlyingSquid Mod , to World News in Russian satellite breaks up in space, forces ISS astronauts to shelter
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Isn't this sort of what that Sandra Bullock space movie was about?

Tronn4 ,

Yes. And then Keanu Reeves drives the ISS to LAX

Siegfried ,

I thought it was about making me lose 1,5 hrs of my life. Wikipedia page agrees with you.

FlyingSquid Mod ,
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Having not seen it, I lost nothing. Except the time I spent watching tons of other boring movies.

lazylion_ca ,

There were some great visuals.

uebquauntbez ,

Yes, but with real physics, more damage for us all and neither Sandra nor George were asked to act.

Zahtu , to World News in Russian satellite breaks up in space, forces ISS astronauts to shelter

Seems like someone pressed the wrong 'self-destruct' button

Jerkface ,

It was a really poor design decision making it look so much like the 'other-destruct' button

Fades , to Space in Russian satellite breaks up in space, forces ISS astronauts to shelter

And Russia is gonna be putting up their own ISS in space? lmao

elbarto777 ,

I mean... I hate what the fucker is doing to Ukraine.

But Russians have their spot in history in terms of great space exploration advancements.

They had a space station up there first. Before everyone else. The MIR. So.... I wouldn't doubt on their capability to put their own space station again.

BastingChemina ,

USSR, not Russia.

elbarto777 ,

Bro. Nasa relied on Russian tech to bring supplies to astronauts and cosmonauts at the ISS for years.

I understand you don't like Russia for political reasons. Neither do I. But science and space is a totally different thing.

pop ,

Bro, there is no technical innovation outside of the West and exceptions were by-default stolen from the West. Where do you get your news from?

/s

Rose ,

Exactly. The fourth cosmonaut in space was Ukrainian.

Jaysyn , to World News in Russian satellite breaks up in space, forces ISS astronauts to shelter
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Just more Russian incompetence on full display.

SkaveRat , to World News in Russian satellite breaks up in space, forces ISS astronauts to shelter

Satellites don't just spontanously burst into 100 pieces.

Russia could really just please stop being a dick

koper ,

There are enough mundane explanations for why a satellite can, in fact, burst into 100 pieces.

Flexaris ,

Want to share?

bob_omb_battlefield ,
SkaveRat ,

would love to know. because they really don't tend to do that, unless they are in the process of crashing into the thicker athmosphere. And that was not the case, as it's sharing a close enough orbit to the iss

JackDark ,

Well, you see, the front fell off.

Deme , (edited )
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They sure don't tend to do that, but there are still mundane explanations for this. An unintentional collision between the satellite and another object being one of them.

"I find it hard to believe they would use such a big satellite as an ASAT target," McDowell said.

ThePowerOfGeek ,
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Considering all the ways they've been ridiculously incompetent in their invasion of Ukraine, I could actually see this incident being due to ineptitude.

tal , (edited )
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Satellites don't just spontanously burst into 100 pieces.

Well...

There are at least three possibilities that occur to me, and two of them probably aren't done by Russia intentionally.

One is that they tested it as a target for some kind of anti-satellite weapon. It was decomissioned and probably expendable, so that'd be consistent with targets of past anti-satellite weapon tests. Russia has been talking about anti-satellite weapons and is not happy about us providing satellite reconaissance data to Ukraine. US intelligence also believes that Russia has been considering deployment of a nuclear anti-satellite weapon.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/pentagon-official-warns-russian-anti-satellite-nuclear-weapon-devastat-rcna150314

A senior Defense Department official told lawmakers Wednesday that Russia is developing an “indiscriminate” anti-satellite nuclear device that would pose a threat to all satellites operated by countries and companies around the world.

"The concept that we are concerned about is Russia developing and — if we are unable to convince them otherwise — to ultimately fly a nuclear weapon in space which will be an indiscriminate weapon” that would not distinguish among military, civilian or commercial satellites, John Plumb, the assistant secretary of defense for space policy, said at a House Armed Services subcommittee hearing.

He said the threat was “not imminent” but that the Pentagon and the “entire” Biden administration were concerned about the program.

This isn't that -- that's in earlier stages and we'd know immediately if something like that were used -- but I suppose it's probably a fair bet that anti-satellite stuff is being discussed in Moscow. That'd be on Moscow, if they did that.

The second is that it got hit by some kind of debris too small for us to detect. If we don't know about it, the Russians probably don't either, and probably couldn't avoid it.

https://orbitaldebris.jsc.nasa.gov/measurements/radar.html

NASA's main source of data for debris in the size range of approximately 5 mm to 30 cm is the Haystack Ultrawideband Satellite Imaging Radar (HUSIR). The HUSIR radar, operated by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology’s Lincoln Laboratory, has been collecting orbital debris data for the ODPO since 1990 under an agreement with the U.S. Department of Defense. HUSIR statistically samples the debris population by "staring" at selected pointing angles and detecting debris that fly through its field-of-view.

The data are used to characterize the debris population by size, altitude, and inclination. From these measurements, scientists have concluded that there are approximately 500,000 debris fragments in orbit with sizes down to one centimeter. The NASA ODPO also collects data from the Haystack Auxiliary Radar (HAX) located next to the main HUSIR antenna. Although HAX is less sensitive than HUSIR, it operates at a different wavelength (1.8 cm for HAX versus 3 cm for HUSIR) and has a wider field-of-view.

Since 1990, the Goldstone Orbital Debris Radar has collected orbital debris data for debris as small as about 2 mm in LEO for the NASA ODPO. It is located in the Goldstone Deep Space Communications Complex in the Mojave Desert near Barstow, California and is operated by NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory. The Goldstone Orbital Debris Radar is an extremely sensitive sensor capable of detecting a 3-mm metallic sphere at 1000 km, which makes it an incredibly useful tool in the characterization of the sub-centimeter-sized debris population.

Even with all that, my guess is that there's probably debris up there that can cause a lot of damage. The example above is small, but also a metallic sphere. I'd bet that there are some materials that are a lot more transparent to the radar that they're using.

Low Earth Orbit objects are moving at a pretty good clip:

https://www.space.com/low-earth-orbit

In very simple terms, low Earth orbit (LEO) is exactly what it sounds like: An orbit around the Earth with an altitude that lies towards the lower end of the range of possible orbits. This is around 1,200 miles (2,000 kilometers) or less. The majority of satellites are to be found in LEO, as is the International Space Station (ISS).

In order to remain in this orbit, a satellite has to travel at around 17,500 miles per hour (7.8 kilometers per second), at which speed it takes around 90 minutes to complete an orbit of the planet. 

The most common handgun round is 9mm Parabellum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9%C3%9719mm_Parabellum

7.45 g at 360 m/s for one type of ammo, about 4.6% as fast.

So something that weighs 0.34 grams will have the same energy as a 9mm round.

A paperclip weighs maybe 1 gram. So something in LEO a third the weight of a paperclip will hit as hard as a bullet from a Glock.

It could also be a micrometeor not in Earth orbit coming in from outer space. I don't know if we can detect those. Those could be moving a lot faster (and hence could be even smaller to cause a given amount of damage).

A third possibility is that something on the satellite exploded. It's got maneuvering fuel with oxidizer...I'd guess that there are probably ways for that to blow up. If there's something that has a lot of kinetic energy, that could fail. Flywheel failures can be pretty exciting in terms of shrapnel going everywhere, and if they use gyros to do orientation, it might be possible for one of those to shatter:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaction_wheel

A reaction wheel (RW) is used primarily by spacecraft for three-axis attitude control, and does not require rockets or external applicators of torque. They provide a high pointing accuracy,[1]: 362  and are particularly useful when the spacecraft must be rotated by very small amounts, such as keeping a telescope pointed at a star.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flywheel_energy_storage

High performance flywheels can explode, killing bystanders with high-speed fragments.

tal , (edited )
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Also, regarding Russia knowing what's up there and being able to talk to it, apparently earlier in the week Ukraine attacked a Russian satellite communication facility, so I dunno what secondary implications that might have, whether it could relate to this satellite situation.

https://www.newsweek.com/crimea-attack-atacms-space-radar-fire-1916340

Crimea Videos Show Fires Blazing As Space Radar Targeted with ATACMS—Report

Ukraine has struck a Russian deep space network hub in annexed Crimea—allegedly used by Russian Aerospace Forces—using U.S.-supplied missiles, according to local reports.

Kyiv's forces launched the ATACMS (Army Tactical Missile System) attack across Crimea on Sunday night, and "successfully struck" Russia's Center for Long-Range Space Communications in the village of Vitino in the Saky region, open-source intelligence X (formerly Twitter) account OSINTtechnical said.

"Multiple areas of the facility are burning," the account said.

The center is one of three complexes that make up Russia's Yevpatoria Center for Deep Space Communications, which supports manned and robotic space missions. The facility was reportedly previously struck in December 2023 with British-supplied Storm Shadow air-launched cruise missiles.

If it's a "radar" site, then it presumably deals with stuff nearby.

I don't think that Russia needs deep space communications facilities to talk to stuff in LEO -- hobbyists can do that with simple setups -- but it was apparently a military facility, and I think that most military applications today are for LEO. Maybe GLONASS, which has military applications and is in a larger orbit.

And Ukraine presumably isn't gonna be expending limited weapons on it unless it's got military significance to Ukraine. So maybe it was also being used to talk to satellites in LEO, dunno.

CanadaPlus ,

TIL there's a length limit for Lemmy posts.

tal ,
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There is, but that isn't why I split it -- comment #2 was an afterthought, dealt with a peripheral issue.

JohnEdwa ,
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Sci-fi has made me believe something small going that fast would just punch a nice clean hole through anything it hits.
Now, I realize it most likely isn't quite Hollywood clean, but the Resurs P is (was) basically the size of a small bus (8 by 3 metres) and 7000kg, so I'd imagine it would need to get hit by quite a big thing to cause it to actually properly explode.

tal ,
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I mean, the whole thing doesn't need to be destroyed for a bunch of pieces to be broken off.

Agent641 ,

The front fell off

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