Uruanna

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Series: Conservatives of Lemmy: What do you think has gone awry in modern society and how might it be constructively addressed?

I'd like to start a series seeking viewpoints from across the political spectrum in general discussions about modern society and where everyone stands on what is not working, what is working, and where we see things going in the future....

Uruanna , (edited )

Minorities get passed over and screwed over for basic needs like housing, education, childcare, etc. As a result, when someone says "we only hire competent people, the best people for the job, it's not our fault if these minorities we interviewed happen to be incompetent" that's already setting things up to reduce their presence in society, which loops into making them poorer, with less access to basic needs and so on. Refusing to hire a woman for one job and hiring a man instead because you think she's less competent is tunnel vision, you're focusing on a single job and trying to scale that to the whole of society; the most direct answer is just to hire more people and train everyone. It's corporate thinking to assume you will only hire a single perfect worker for all of your jobs, but all you're doing is only reducing your work force, which only ever works for the corporate bottom line until you run out of people to fire. And when the imbalance is so bad, there is a point where, on a large sale, you need to hire a higher number of women / Black people / handicapped people to catch up, because you've shut them down the whole time; and that basically makes it your own fault if you think they're less competent than educated competent men, because they didn't get the opportunity, because they didn't get the training, because... they didn't get the opportunity.

The "hire only competent people = only white men" is a self-fulfilling prophecy because it creates the entire situation of everyone else being less competent, being lower on the decision totem pole (like the decision to help minorities get out of that loop), having lower incomes. If you help only your own because they have the skills you want, you are creating the situation where you perceive everyone else to be lower by your own standards. Someone's gotta make the first step to bring everyone up to the same level, and you know it's not going to start in education and housing. Because those people are not up there making the decision to help with that. The people who can make the decision choose not to help, because those minorities don't have the same skills as this other guy here.

Uruanna ,

So you're saying to start a new system where you only hire non white/ non males.

I say balance and that's your take?

poor white people who never had any opportunities and currently don't but, fuck them right, they are white.

Man. I spoke about hiring based on skills the whole time. This imbalance in poor, less skilled white men was already there before you started talking about diversity hire, but you chose to blame diversity hire, because you think unskilled women or minorities get hired over skilled but poor white men. I spoke about improving housing, education, childcare, and all other basic needs, I didn't say that only applies if you're not a white man. It goes for everyone. But those poor white men aren't getting help from the current situation either way, and you seem to think that the only solution is to hire them over minorities. You're not talking about helping all the people in this situation, you just want the poor white men to get hired and not get passed over for less skilled women - you're fine with leaving everyone else behind. You're not even considering that everyone might deserve a spot somewhere, you think there's only one spot and it should go to the skilled white man.

Uruanna , (edited )

You complained that hiring was focusing on women and men didn't need to apply and that's not equality. I discussed why diversity is important to lift up people in need and why that is, in fact, equality. You're the one who keeps focusing on poor white men, pretending that I'm ignoring them, why are you pretending they don't benefit from equality and improving housing, education, childcare? Equality helps everyone.

hire minorities at a much greater proportion than how they're represented in the population

Oh okay you're just straight up lying then lmao. To those used to privilege, equality feels like oppression. Did you know that about half of humanity is female? You know half the people in high places aren't female. Or even in medium places. And let's not even talk about all the other minorities.

Wherever you are, see if you can find some unemployment or income numbers for your area, if it's broken down by gender or ethnicity. It might surprise you!

Uruanna ,

Oops, sorry for the confusion.

But now you've also influxed a tonne of women into that workforce, meaning now you'll need to hire disproportionately more men next generation.

Even though we reached equal representation? You want to reinject more of one side to recreate the imbalance we were getting away from a minute ago? The only gap is between generations, when the old people retire, at first that'll be a lot of men since they're the only ones that were there, but it shouldn't be that hard to map that out to maintain equality through the change. Plus, hiring seniors is a thing, so hiring older women and not all young women can immediately balance that retirement sausage fest faster, removing the gender imbalance per generation. You're supposed to hire at all levels, entry level only is just more corporate speak. And that's not just about women or minorities, that's already a subject for people who can't get a job because companies want both experience and entry level pay, this isn't new, it already hits everyone, including poor white men. Fixing this helps everyone.

Also, I mentioned it before, but I'm not talking about a single company on a single job position. As long as everyone plays the game, and not everyone has the same amount of people on the same generation and retiring at the same time, it shouldn't be that hard to smooth out the curb to the middle, and then stay there. All HR departments in the world should know how to plan that, they're built around their love of Excel sheets.

Hiring 50/50 is of course part of it, yes, it's not like the whole world is really doing 100% women only everywhere, you know that's just not reality. If one company is doing "men need not apply", you know there are other companies that aren't. Of course that depends on the job, because places that say "this job is only good for women" (like, you know, low-level healthcare), or the other way around (mechanics? That's only for men!), has been an issue long before people started complaining about diversity hire, they just didn't like to mention it because they liked it. Hiring exclusively women was fine when it was for low level jobs that men obviously don't want to do - except there's plenty of men who do want to work in healthcare or childcare or education, and they can't.

Encouraging young men and women to branch out more is of course a good idea, but we've seen for decades that women who want to try STEM and the likes often ended up chased away by men who say "it's no place for women" (students, senior employees, teachers) and because the culture is already plagued by sexism and racism and exclusion and actual threats. Starting at the bottom and doing nothing else doesn't actually work, we've tried that and it failed hard and we've all gone surprised pikachu face about it. The fact is that young women do want to try STEM, until they get assaulted and victimized, just like there are young men who do want to try traditionally female jobs, until they get mocked and harassed for not being manly enough. These people already exist, we're already telling them to try it out - only to destroy them within a couple years. We do have to include the middle and the top right from the start, it has to happen everywhere, and people who fight back have to be forced to accept it - we have to clean up the "locker room" culture and the "traditional gender role" culture to protect the people that want to join these places.

Uruanna ,

It should be 7 men 3 women, on average

No, it should not. That's just ridiculous. You don't fix unequality by maintaining it just because that's what you're always known. You want to keep the privileges you have now while denying improving the situation of others, because you think losing your unfair advantage over others becomes unfair to you, that's nonsense.

Hiring 50/50 is not discriminating against you just because you were at 70 before. You don't get to decide that half the female population of the planet shouldn't be allowed to work - because that's what your 70/30 is, if the 70 is most of the male population (let's imagine a >90% employment rate), then the 30 is around half of the female population, you're saying the other half will never be allowed to work. You're assuming they can keep being SAHM or whatever else.

The thing is that the 70% of workers being men shouldn't mean there are less men if it becomes 50%. Men aren't losing their jobs. It means there are more workers, including the same number of men, and more women. This isn't supposed to be a zero sum game when population grows.

Uruanna ,

Everyone getting the same chance means 50/50 hiring because believe it or not, women do want to work in all fieds; the current 70/30 soon goes down to 50/50 from there. And yes, men do want to work in healthcare and child care and education, surprise. Why do you need to make sure they can't? Because that is in fact the same process that happens, one side is actively shunned from some jobs and the other side gets shunned all the same, even though there are people on both sides who do want to work in both types of jobs. The reality that you pretend doesn't exist is that there are 10 women who want to be an engineer at the beginning of their education and they get stomped down to 1 until she gets passed over for some 10 men who at first wanted to work in healthcare but were bullied into engineering. This 1 woman to 10 men scenario is your own creation.

It takes actual work of being unfair to maintain the imbalance you benefit from. Man you don't even understand the math of your own argument, maybe the women who get hired over you actually are more skilled.

Uruanna ,

A lot of the trash talk about him was made up by Christian historians, I'm pretty sure the "beating his pregnant wife to death" is confirmed, or at the very least heavily debated, to be one of the made up bullshit. And yes, it's generally believed that he is the "beast" from Revelation butt again that's because of the early Christian hate. It's probably because he accused the early Christian sect of causing the fire of Rome (which we're still not sure they didn't), and the whole "throwing them to lions" thing, and they fought back by spreading shit about him.

Marrying a castrated slave lover is legit though, and IINM I think Nero was the one dressed as the bride.

Uruanna ,

Completing the trilogy "after 28 days" and "after 28 weeks"

Uruanna ,

There's a playable Japanese woman in parallel to the Black man but I guess women don't count because gAmErS.

Uruanna ,

Idc that he's black my issue is that assassin's in ac "blend " into their environment they are "ghosts"

This hasn't been true for a while, except Mirage that tried to do a callback to that. But you know there's also a playable woman who is the perfect ninja archetype? Clad in black and hookchaining over buildings and throwing kunais in people's necks from the shadows or from 10 feet in the air, the type that never actually existed in History.

Uruanna ,

So far it looks like they both take part in the story, with their own sections to play through. The character introduction video seems to say you might have sections where you chose between offensive or stealth approach so you'll switch characters, but they want you to experience both so there will most likely be sections that force the use of one or the other.

People who still complain are just saying they refuse to play a Black man at all, so that's still a trash take.

Uruanna ,

The stealth missions will use Naoe, the open combat missions will use Yasuke, nothing is broken. get a clue and drop the excuses already.

Uruanna ,

Good for you? You're still pretending that a Black guy in Japan somehow breaks some rules of the game. It's still true to History, the stealth is still there, nothing is broken, this is still the same Assassin's Creed as the previous games.

Uruanna ,

Kassandra and Eivor (canonically the woman version) exist, your argument is invalid.

Also I assumed the comment about the Black guy being violent was a joke, but we have the historical document that says Oda was impressed with Yasuke because (among other reasons) he was as strong as 10 men, so it makes sense.

Also the use of a kannabo is sick AF, I'm already 90% sold just for that gameplay.

Uruanna ,

Try saying "col" then

Uruanna ,

I think this is the one, the Merer diary about Akhet Khufu (their name for the pyramid) and the transport of stones by boat from known quarries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diary_of_Merer

The diary was found a good decade ago, it's not even recent. This particular diary anyway, I don't know about more recent discoveries about the waterways. I mean, beside OP's article.

Uruanna ,

I found that Tony's slide to fascism following his PTSD and thinking he knew better than everyone else was a good character development in a show where he's not the hero. What we're missing is a 4th solo movie where he faces his fuck-ups and his selfishness, but no, he went out like a hero through sacrifice after causing it and blaming the rift on Cap (when returning from Titan).

I also found that early Steve really needed to get a better angry face, but that evolved well between Infinity War and Endgame.

Uruanna ,

You don't think it's just... a star?

Uruanna ,

They do this to give a date to the statement. To say it wasn't recorded several months ago.

Uruanna ,

Buried, Ryan Reynolds is the only one on screen (not playing multiple characters, just one), though there are voiced characters from other actors on the phone.

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