DropBear , to palestine group
@DropBear@theblower.au avatar

Who supports the Zionist state and why?
"...the West needs to show why this Israeli state is grotesque and to ask who in heaven’s name still supports them?"
https://johnmenadue.com/israel-the-grotesque-who-supports-that-government/








@israel
@palestine

DropBear , to palestine group
@DropBear@theblower.au avatar

From a 93 year old (old enough to have lived through the times of the Holocaust and the founding of Israel) Jewish Australian:
"The impression I formed then, and which has been confirmed by subsequent events is that there was and is a deep, shared psychosocial illness infecting Israel but not Jews more generally."
...
"Let’s not confuse and generalise the attitude I and others have identified as underlying the conflict between Israel and Palestine with being anti-Semitic. This blurring of a clear boundary has been used inappropriately and misleadingly by many."
...
"... the human slaughter in Gaza and the enormous waste of resources on armaments to further that genocide could be stopped by refusing any more aid to Israel."
https://johnmenadue.com/israel-palestine-my-personal-experience-and-conversion/








@palestine
@israel

DropBear OP ,
@DropBear@theblower.au avatar

@NickSchwanck
As Yarden Katz wrote:
"Anyone wishing to understand how the Holocaust was possible, how people who may be warm and kind in their personal lives could support the murder of an entire population deemed subhuman, should examine Israeli society."

"... the zionist project, culminating in Israel, is profoundly contrary to Jewish traditions ... Israel has suppressed these Jewish traditions and ways of living while hijacking parts of them when convenient."

"... the dismantling of Israel and the liberation of Palestine must also be a Jewish struggle — a struggle that should go far beyond Jews showing solidarity for Palestinians or simply not wanting to be oppressors. “Israeli” is a colonial identity that should be renounced, not just because it harms Palestinians but also because it is deeply anti-Jewish."

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/11/are-israelis-jews-returning-to-jewish-minority-life/








@palestine @israel

DropBear OP ,
@DropBear@theblower.au avatar

The indoctrination is alarming @NickSchwanck and sadly few manage to deprogram themselves.

A recovering Zionist speaks:
"I have been grieving deeply not just since last October, but ever since I woke up to the reality of what Israel is, and what it stands for."
...
"The Palestinian people did nothing wrong. Their ‘big crime’, for which they are being eliminated is that they happened to live on the land that the Zionists coveted for an exclusively Jewish ghetto state."
https://avigail.substack.com/p/grief-and-guilt-by-association









@palestine @israel

faab64 , to palestine group

@DropBear
3 Israelis, including one with American passport are verified to have been murdered by IDF during the massacre.

@palestine @israel @oatmeal

DropBear ,
@DropBear@theblower.au avatar

I get the feeling that the hostages were not the objective of the exercise @oatmeal
Killing as many Palestinians as possible was.








@faab64

plink , to palestine group
@plink@mastodon.online avatar

from
Thousands Protest Genocide in 'Red Line' Rally

"We as the people are drawing the red line today to say enough is enough," said a protester from the . "It's time for an arms embargo, and it's time to end this."




@palestine @israel

https://www.commondreams.org/news/biden-s-red-line

DropBear ,
@DropBear@theblower.au avatar

@omar_bayramoglu
@TruthSandwich is a troll. He proved so obnoxious that no other Mastodon instance would put up with him. He had to start his own instance. The fact that he could do that implies financial (and probably political) backing.

Don't waste your time. Just block and move on.






@plink @palestine @israel

mondoweiss , to palestine group
@mondoweiss@social.mondoweiss.net avatar

Palestine has ignited our planetary consciousness once again, and it is the student movement that refuses to let genocide become our new normal. They know that the fight for Palestine is a fight for us all.

https://mondoweiss.net/2024/05/the-student-uprising-is-fighting-for-all-of-us/


@palestine @israel

DropBear ,
@DropBear@theblower.au avatar

@gretared @TruthSandwich is a troll. He proved so obnoxious that no other Mastodon instance would put up with him. He had to start his own instance. The fact that he could do that implies financial (and probably political) backing.

Don't waste your time. Just block and move on.






@mondoweiss
@palestine
@israel

DropBear , to Palestine in Israel kills over 200 Palestinians to rescue 4 captives; U.S. allegedly involved in operation
@DropBear@theblower.au avatar

As hasbara, @SuckMyWang your puerile aphorism is counterproductive.

For example, on October 7 Israelis were taken hostage. That could be seen as a reaction to the thousands of Palestinian hostages held by Israel. The Israeli evil, though greater, does not excuse the evil committed by Hamas (though it could be viewed as precedent).

If you complain about the Hamas evil and I then counter with the Israeli precedent, then I am tacitly conceding the Hamas evil. Two wrongs do not make a right.
#Israel
#Palestine
#genocide
#EthnicCleansing
#CrimesAgainstHumanity
#hasbara
#propaganda
@palestine
@israel

DropBear , to Palestine in Israel kills over 200 Palestinians to rescue 4 captives; U.S. allegedly involved in operation
@DropBear@theblower.au avatar

One evil might explain another @heretical_i but the one does not excuse the other.
#Israel
#Palestine
#genocide
#EthnicCleansing
#CrimesAgainstHumanity
#hasbara
#propaganda
@SuckMyWang
@palestine
@israel

oatmeal , to palestine group
@oatmeal@kolektiva.social avatar

/ Israel rescues four hostages in Gaza raid that Hamas says kills 210 Palestinians

The only thing true from the spox this time, and probably every single time they bragged about killing X “terrorists”, was this:

[…] "We know about under 100 (Palestinian) casualties. I don't know how many from them are terrorists,"

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-rescues-four-hostages-gaza-palestinians-say-50-dead-israeli-assault-2024-06-08/

And the there’s also this:

"by committing horrific massacres, was able to free some its hostages, yet it killed some others during the operation," al-Qassam Brigades' spokesperson, Abu Ubaida, said in a statement on his Telegram channel.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-armed-wing-says-israel-killed-some-its-hostages-operation-central-gazas-al-2024-06-08/

The actress Israeli-Palestinian Lama Tator, who hosts an Arabic culture program on , shared a photo of Argamani after her release from captivity, commenting on appearance after long months in captivity and the massacre the IDF carried out to release her and the others.​​​​​​​​​​​​

"Are these the faces of a hostage for nine months?" the actress wrote in a story she shared on social media. "Are her eyebrows more groomed than mine? Her skin? Her hair? Her nails? What's going on? And for her they need to kill and slaughter children, women, and innocents?"​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

@israel
@palestine
#warCrimes

DropBear ,
@DropBear@theblower.au avatar

@oatmeal
By some reports, the toll of known Palestinian deaths is 247. It's also possible that some other Israeli hostages died in the crossfire. Time will tell, I guess.
http://www.thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/middle-east-news/2024/06/10/hostages-israel

Was the operation calculated to maximise Palestinian casualties?








@israel @palestine

MaxG , to random
@MaxG@theblower.au avatar

"..the legend of the Israelites’ conquest of Cana’an’ and other master narratives of the Bible evolved across many centuries; they are myth-narratives, not evidence-based accurate history." https://edisciplinas.usp.br/pluginfile.php/7572850/mod_resource/content/1/Concept%20of%20Palestine%20%5BNur%20M%5D.pdf

DropBear ,
@DropBear@theblower.au avatar

@MaxG
Long ago, one mob dispossessed a bunch of others. They fabricated a mythology so they could say, in effect, "we thieve and murder because God told us". In Chapter 15 of Genesis (Tora's Bereshit) , they left us a handy list of the peoples whose lands they claimed to be entitled to take.




@israel
@palestine

DropBear , to palestine group
@DropBear@theblower.au avatar

As Miko Peled observed, Israel and Palestine are the same place. He believes that Jews and Arabs can live together peacefully. That may be true, but by all appearances, it's true of probably less than 20% of the population. The remaining 80% would need to be homed elsewhere.

Palestine is sacred to more than Judaism and Islam. Ideally, I'd like to see it established as World Heritage. Protected by the world at large and thus needing no armed forces. I can dream, can't I?

What of the other 80%? Netanyahu advocates a state in Sinai for Palestinians, so let's make that two states. I think of them as sanatoria. Unarmed and heavily guarded, to protect them from each other and the world from them.

Plus a couple of very large prisons.







@palestine
@israel
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  • DropBear OP , (edited )
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    Your questions are far from honest @Doreen32128
    The answers are in my post.

    For centuries, Arabs, Christians and Jews shared Palestine. Then the Zionists started arriving.

    It's fairly obvious that the Zionist state is a mistake. The world in general and Jews in particular will be safer when it no longer exists.

    Oh, and @TruthSandwich proved to be so obnoxious that no Mastodon instance would have him. He had to create his own. Pure hasbara.
    #hasbara
    #Israel
    #Palestine
    #Gaza
    #TwoStateSolution
    #OneStateSolution
    #ThreeStateSolution
    @palestine @israel

    GeriatricGardener , to palestine group
    @GeriatricGardener@kolektiva.social avatar

    “Do you condemn Hamas?: The question we have to ask ourselves is not whether we condemn Hamas, but whether we condemn a settler colonial regime that makes armed struggle necessary for survival.”

    by James Ray in Mondoweiss @mondoweiss

    @palestine @israel

    “Like them [Hamas] or not, the efforts they have waged and continue to wage have made more of a material impact toward the liberation of Palestine than anything any of us in the West will ever make. They are taking on the brutal violence of colonial power and waging a campaign of armed struggle that has, at the current moment, with coordination with other resistance factions, made the Zionist colony more of a pariah than it has ever been on a global stage and shattered the image of military invincibility and overall stability it has spent decades cultivating. Countless years of struggle have culminated in this flashpoint.”

    https://mondoweiss.net/2024/06/do-you-condemn-hamas/?ml_recipient=123391519249926016&ml_link=123391510330738497&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=2024-06-06&utm_campaign=Daily+Headlines+RSS+Automation

    DropBear ,
    @DropBear@theblower.au avatar

    Interesting question @jeremy_pm
    The region being a route from Africa to Europe, there's evidence of modern humans in the area 120,000 years ago. Judaism hasn't existed that long.

    Before that, there were other hominids. The earliest remains are estimated to be 1.5 million years old.

    As to "recorded history". Even their own mythology tells against the Jewish. Chapter 15 of Genesis/Bereshit lists peoples who were displaced to establish the Jewish Kingdoms. So Jews weren't "first". There may be "indigenous" jews, but there are also indigenous Moslems and Christians.

    The Zionist invasion began in the 19th century @Sine_Nomine
    Its foundations can be traced to the British Empire, around 1840.
    @zephry @Captain_Jack_Sparrow









    @GeriatricGardener @mondoweiss @palestine @israel

    DropBear ,
    @DropBear@theblower.au avatar

    You're using the Israeli Zionist hasbara definition of "indigenous", I see @zephry
    As their own mythology affirms, Jews took the lands from other peoples. They're thus colonisers.

    For centuries, Arabs, Christians and Jews shared Palestine. Then the Zionists started arriving. To paraphrase article 12 of the Jerusalem Declaration:
    all should be allowed to live together in peace in the area between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea
    as equals
    http://jerusalemdeclaration.org/









    @jeremy_pm @Sine_Nomine
    @Captain_Jack_Sparrow @GeriatricGardener @mondoweiss @palestine @israel

    DropBear ,
    @DropBear@theblower.au avatar

    Actually, there is no generally accepted definition of "indigenous" @zephry
    That's why Israeli Zionists use the term for hasbara. They can pretend that it means whatever is convenient to their argument.









    @jeremy_pm @Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Sine_Nomine @GeriatricGardener @mondoweiss @palestine @israel

    Miro_Collas , to palestine group
    @Miro_Collas@masto.ai avatar
    oatmeal , to palestine group
    @oatmeal@kolektiva.social avatar

    #Israel / How Israel Mastered Information Warfare in Gaza – Foreign Policy

    Some might still perceive #Hasbara (public diplomacy, explaining, or "welcoming") as having a positive connotation, distinct from outright propaganda. However, this has never truly been the case. In reality, it is far more insidious than one might assume.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

    Israel's extensive use of information warfare tactics during its barbaric war on Gaza has four-pronged strategy, leveraging social media:

    1. Emphasizing the horror of the October 7th Hamas attack to justify retaliation (included distributing graphic images and videos through paid advertising campaigns targeted at Western audiences.)

    2. Discrediting pro-Palestinian voices and narratives while justifying Israel's bombing of Gaza (included labeling criticism as #antisemitic, using dehumanizing language about Palestinians, falsely accusing media/aid workers of ties to Hamas, and lobbying for content takedowns.)

    3. Limiting information flow out of Gaza by targeting communication infrastructure, killing journalists, internet blackouts and restricting media access.

    4. Rallying Israeli public support by promoting its military's destruction of Gaza targets and purported victories over Hamas through psychological warfare campaigns.

    […] In a polarized social media space, every fact has become contested. It seems that for every investigation into an Israeli airstrike or a firefight, there is an alternative framing of events. When an Israeli airstrike most probably hit a convoy of civilians fleeing on an evacuation route, hundreds of pro-Israel users and accounts pretending they were open source investigators worked to shift the focus to videos of an unrelated side-road explosion for which they blamed Hamas. One such tweet was viewed more than 1.1 million times.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/03/11/israel-gaza-hamas-netanyahu-warfare-misinformation or https://archive.is/DWdWY

    @israel
    @palestine
    #IsraelWarCrimes #ForeignPolicy

    PariaSansPortefeuille , to palestine group French
    @PariaSansPortefeuille@jasette.facil.services avatar

    , journaliste franco-marocaine légendaire, ne se laisse pas intimider par le porte-parole abruti de l'armée israél|ienne Olivier Rafowicz. À voir

    https://youtu.be/8KlLIhx5Yi8
    @palestine

    DropBear , to palestine group
    @DropBear@theblower.au avatar
    DropBear OP ,
    @DropBear@theblower.au avatar

    @racingdaily
    "... formerly an anti-Semite was somebody who hated Jews because they were Jews and due to their Jewish nature and their race… Nowadays an anti-Semite is somebody who is hated by a certain type of Zionist. Like one of the important Nazi leaders, Göring, said, “I determine who is a Jew.” And so the Zionists determine who is an anti-Semite. And as I say, I’m proud to be one of those."
    Dr. Hajo Meyer, Holocaust survivor.
    https://truthout.org/video/interview-with-holocaust-survivor-and-antizionist-activist-dr-hajo-meyer-video/
    #Israel
    #Palestine
    #genocide
    #protest
    #antisemitism
    #hasbara

    DropBear , to random
    @DropBear@theblower.au avatar

    "Here in Australia, as in a number of other countries, a misleading campaign has been led by unelected and unrepresentative organisations claiming to represent the Jewish community. Most of these organisations are uncritical defenders of successive Israeli governments with close connections to Israeli intelligence agencies.

    The key claim of these unrepresentative organisations has been that the opposition and protests against the Israeli army’s war in Gaza is led by ‘antisemites’, and that many of the students and other participants in the protests are ‘antisemitic’."

    "I was ... deeply surprised and deeply disturbed when I heard that Australian vice-chancellors were going to follow in the footsteps of heads of American universities in calling the police to dismantle student encampments at Australian universities.

    The justification for this dismantling is the false cry about ‘antisemitism’."
    https://johnmenadue.com/a-message-to-university-vice-chancellors-from-a-child-of-holocaust-survivors/
    #Israel
    #Palestine
    #genocide
    #protest
    #antisemitism
    #hasbara

    DropBear OP ,
    @DropBear@theblower.au avatar

    "... formerly an anti-Semite was somebody who hated Jews because they were Jews and due to their Jewish nature and their race… Nowadays an anti-Semite is somebody who is hated by a certain type of Zionist. Like one of the important Nazi leaders, Göring, said, “I determine who is a Jew.” And so the Zionists determine who is an anti-Semite. And as I say, I’m proud to be one of those."
    Dr. Hajo Meyer, Holocaust survivor.
    https://truthout.org/video/interview-with-holocaust-survivor-and-antizionist-activist-dr-hajo-meyer-video/
    #Israel
    #Palestine
    #genocide
    #protest
    #antisemitism
    #hasbara
    @palestine
    @israel

    nicholas_saunders , to palestine group

    @RememberUsAlways @palestine @israel ya know, I'm all for this #lawfare . I mean, that's why we have regular laws. To prevent vigilantism.

    If the ICJ can resolve wars, great. But this seems more blinkered. Just aimed at the one party who shows up.

    The ones not in court are just weaponizing the law.

    #hamas uses #crybully tactics. Stick to #terrorism is my advice.

    DropBear ,
    @DropBear@theblower.au avatar

    It would be an unusual conflict in which sexual abuse did not play a part @shachar
    So much about the reports of rape on October 7 proved to be fabrication however, that it's hard to tell in this instance.
    https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/nyt-pushes-israeli-propaganda-on-rape-by-hamas-ends-up-with-egg-on-face-16512226

    The Zionist habit of hasbara (deceit/manipulation) has so clouded the issue that no honest person could confidently "admit" to that. Do you really have substantiated evidence or is it just hasbara?
    @oatmeal @bigomelette @israel @palestine @ganjajukes


    DropBear ,
    @DropBear@theblower.au avatar

    The literal translation may be (approximately) "explaining" @shachar but the Zionist practice named 'hasbara' is deceit/manipulation/propaganda. In other words, lying.

    As you have no evidence that has been credibly substantiated by third parties, then you are indeed practicing hasbara.

    As I said, the fact that there's no credibly substantiated evidence of the allegations surprises me. I can only assume that the Zionists' reflexive dishonesty has told against them.
    @oatmeal @bigomelette @israel @palestine @ganjajukes


    DropBear ,
    @DropBear@theblower.au avatar
    oatmeal , to israel group
    @oatmeal@kolektiva.social avatar

    / Ministers are utilizing the released footage showing abducted female soldiers, disregarding families' pleas for a ceasefire and negotiation for their release.

    [...] Eli Elbag, Liri's father, explained that the families decided to allow the video's release, stating "because the prime minister is dragging his feet on the issue of the hostages." He added that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has not held a meeting on the subject since Saturday.

    [...] The families debated for some time whether to publish the video but said it was their last resort to try to influence the cabinet.

    "We decided to release it now and
    expose ourselves, to lay bare on television the most sensitive matter for the families, and we do it because we want our government to wake up," Elbag told Channel 12 News.

    [felon] Ben-Gvir stated: "We will only return the captives if we stop their fuel and humanitarian aid and perform a root treatment in Rafah."

    [pro-genocide bomb signer] Herzog said: "Liri, Karina, Agam, Daniela, Naama and all the captives - we will not rest, we will continue to fight the Hamas terrorist organization and do everything in our power to bring you home!"

    [alleged war criminal] Netanyahu, who initialy ingroed the release of the video, later stated: "I am horrified by the video documenting the abduction of our dear female scouts. We will continue to do everything to bring them home. The cruelty of Hamas's militants only strengthens my resolve to fight with full force until Hamas is eliminated, in order to ensure that what we saw tonight never happens again."

    etc., etc.

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-05-22/ty-article/hostages-families-air-footage-showing-hamas-abducting-israeli-women-soldiers-into-gaza/0000018f-a0f2-d4c6-a5cf-f2f773060000 or https://archive.ph/yJtJM

    @israel

    oatmeal OP ,
    @oatmeal@kolektiva.social avatar

    No political narrative can justify the level of bloodshed and devastation caused by #Israel in #Gaza. The exception, possibly, the sexualization of #Hamas violence, which has, understandably, provided a very high "return on investment" for Israel, even without concrete evidence.

    Israel's exploitation of the video (and the victims’ families) demonstrates how institutions can become desensitized to individual suffering, when pursuing broader political narratives. It seems Israelis who were simply killed in captivity are no longer an asset for an outward projecting outrage.

    From the international community's perspective, the staggering civilian toll of over 35,000 Palestinians killed and thousands more injured or missing in Israel's war on Gaza has understandably fostered deep distrust. It reinforces existing perceptions that Israel prioritizes public relations over all else.

    @israel
    @palestine
    #IDF #hasbara

    oatmeal OP ,
    @oatmeal@kolektiva.social avatar

    No political narrative can justify the level of bloodshed and devastation caused by #Israel in #Gaza. The exception, possibly, the sexualization of #Hamas violence, which has, understandably, provided a very high "return on investment" for Israel, even without concrete evidence.

    Israel's exploitation of the video (and the victims’ families) demonstrates how institutions can become desensitized to individual suffering, when pursuing broader political narratives. It seems Israelis who were simply killed in captivity are no longer an asset for an outward projecting outrage, while from the international community's perspective, the staggering civilian toll of over 35,000 Palestinians killed and thousands more injured or missing in Israel's war on Gaza has understandably fostered deep distrust, and it reinforces existing perceptions that Israel prioritizes public relations over all else.

    @israel
    @palestine
    #IDF #hasbara

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