I still and will continue to stand with Israel.
I despise #Netanyahu. In my eyes, he’s a criminal.
But Israel is not Netanyahu and they have every right to defend themselves against the Hamas and Hezbollah terrorists.
There are civilian casualties, mostly on the Palestinian side.
That’s where I blame Netanyahu (not Israel!) for being a bad, irresponsible and racist leader.
He should get judged by an international court.
I disagree @thoralf
Israel is a mistake. The world in general, and Jews in particular, will be safer when the Zionist state no longer exists.
As Miko Peled observed, Israel and Palestine are the same place. He believes that Jews and Arabs can live together peacefully. That may be true, but by all appearances, it's true of probably less than 20% of the population. The remaining 80% would need to be homed elsewhere.
Palestine is sacred to more than Judaism and Islam. Ideally, I'd like to see it established as World Heritage. Protected by the world at large and thus needing no armed forces. I can dream, can't I?
What of the other 80%? Netanyahu advocates a state in Sinai for Palestinians, so let's make that two states. I think of them as sanatoria. Unarmed and heavily guarded, to protect them from each other and the world from them.
Tell that last bit to the Palestinians @thoralf
As you said, two states has proven to be no solution. Those who can live peacefully together should be encouraged to do so - in Palestine. Those who won't live peacefully together are a problem for the world (hence the two sanatorium states - some of the recalcitrant might be cured). Then' of course, there are the criminals. #Israel #Palestine #Gaza #TwoStateSolution #OneStateSolution #ThreeStateSolution
You keep pointing out that we cannot make two states work @thoralf
If you're not saying that two states have proven to be no solution, then you're not saying anything.
Two states being no solution and Miko Peled's one state being no solution for the majority of the population, we need something else. For centuries, Arabs, Christians and Jews shared Palestine. Then the Zionists started arriving. A decent solution will return to the situation before the advent of Zionism in Palestine.
The form of Jewish Zionism that spawned Israel has had more than a century to create the current predicament. Fixing it will take a while.
For centuries, Arabs, Christians and Jews shared Palestine. Then the Zionists started arriving. A decent solution will return to the situation before the advent of Zionism in Palestine.
As Miko Peled observed, Israel and Palestine are the same place. He believes that Jews and Arabs can live together peacefully. That may be true, but by all appearances, it's true of probably less than 20% of the population. The remaining 80% would need to be homed elsewhere.
Palestine is sacred to more than Judaism and Islam. Ideally, I'd like to see it established as World Heritage. Protected by the world at large and thus needing no armed forces. I can dream, can't I?
What of the other 80%? Netanyahu advocates a state in Sinai for Palestinians, so let's make that two states. I think of them as sanatoria. Unarmed and heavily guarded, to protect them from each other and the world from them.
Thanks @nus
The admin of Babka, @serge and I have met (online, not in person). The term "antisemitism" used to be powerful. Zionists have neutered it. Quite sad, really.