reverendsteveii ,

based

wizzor ,

Crimean Combat Seagulls had me actually chortling.

robocall ,
@robocall@lemmy.world avatar

Seagulls can be very mean

MyDogLovesMe ,

You GO, girls!

The free world admires your efforts!

gcheliotis ,

“The free world”? Seriously? It would help to not think of the world only in terms of heroes and villains.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Fascist sympathizers mad

gcheliotis ,

Many atrocities have been committed in the name of the free world, but sure you guys keep with the circlejerk if that makes you feel morally superior

DragonTypeWyvern ,

I do, in fact, feel morally superior to Russia and literally all of their allies, ty.

gcheliotis ,

This is part of the problem. That feeling of unexamined moral superiority that I am much afraid will lead to the downfall of western liberalism, its replacement with local fascists and all out war. But not enough people are willing to listen sadly.

APassenger ,

You're making way too many assumptions and I think that's part of why you're not being well received.

Can you examine your own certainty and superior tone when, to my knowledge, you haven't asked a real question yet? You seem just know.

And, no, you initial exclamation having question marks just makes it an incredulous exclamation. Not a question.

gcheliotis ,

Indeed, it was a rhetorical question. And it’s ok, I wasn’t expecting my comment to be well received, I was just hoping that at least some people reading this would ask themselves why Russia triggers Cold War reflexes and what those reflexes mean. I still hope for some diplomatic end to the war in Ukraine and the demonizing of one’s enemies only serves war.

GreyEyedGhost ,

Why would a former soviet state invading another soviet state cause cold war reflexes to be triggered?

I, on the other hand, don't approve of nations attacking other nations, whether it be America attacking Afghanistan or Russia attacking Ukraine

So, why are you defending a country who is attacking another?

gcheliotis ,

I honestly don’t know why some on here seem to think that any criticism is a defense of Russia. I did not say anything in defense of Russia but assumptions were made regardless.

APassenger ,

It's seen as what-about-ism.

Painting everyone here with incredibly broad brushes and very certain tone means you've lost the trust and good will of your readers.

They then see what I said in the first sentence of this comment.

It didn't need to be that way. You're on Lemmy. It's one of the places a person is most likely to see frequent criticisms of US warfare by US citizens. But you're acting like the actions of an aggregate nation are the reflection of unanimous and ongoing support.

It's not an accurate perspective.

You still sound absolutely certIain that everyone here is as you describe. And that means you're wrong.

Please stop, breathe, and recalibrate. Because done differently, you'll find many here agree.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

There’s an instance called hexbears which really likes hot takes like this one.

gcheliotis ,

I am not very interested in echo chambers, thanks.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

People here aren’t really interested in your takes either.

floofloof ,

For what it's worth, I agree that it's a little shocking how simplistic people can be about goodies and baddies in this situation. The Russian invasion of Ukraine is abominable and democracy is far preferable to dictatorship. But "the free world" is a propaganda phrase traditionally used to polish up the image of US imperialism, so its use certainly has connotations of unreflectively identifying the USA and its allies as the goodies. And mass poisoning is not morally simple even in war. Meanwhile the "free world" is hurtling from plutocracy towards fascism while liberals congratulate themselves on their countries' democracy. We're not under a dictatorship yet but we're not doing enough to fight it either, partly thanks to this liberal tendency to self-congratulation over the "free world".

gcheliotis ,

Exactly. As a liberal myself I feel strongly about certain things and am all too aware of that supposition of moral superiority and self righteousness that have been very characteristic of western liberalism. In the meantime, many countries in the “free world” are inching closer to authoritarianism by the day. Sure, Putin bad, but leaving some room for nuance would go a long way. The idea that one need only get rid of “bad actors” is flawed. Especially when at the very same time western powers are enabling what more and more people see as genocide in another part of the world. And the country that has brought a case against that in court is South Africa, The world is changing, the global south is rising, China is rising, Russia is also seeking to extend its influence and global cooperation is needed more than ever.

SasquatchBanana , (edited )

Thank god most of us have some sense and awareness to differentiate actions "in the name of the free world" from good and bad actors. Clearly this is from good actors as Putin is clearly an enemy of the free world. Saying otherwise means ignorance or being bad faith.

gcheliotis ,

I think you will do well to do with less certainties and interrogate the very essence of the concept of the “free world”, a term introduced in the Cold War to demonize communism and basically any challenge to US hegemony. Unfortunately todays polemical and self righteous western liberalism plays right into the hands of the alt-right and fascists in more ways than one. I personally worry more for what is happening in the West right now than what is happening in Russia/Ukraine, because the West is a lot more powerful and is itching for a larger military confrontation, while liberalism continues to fail more frequently back home except in minor wins on identity politics. In this climate I find it disturbing when people dig up Cold War terminology to creat camps and draw lines in the sand.

nova_ad_vitum ,

You should type more words , that'll definitely make Putin less shit.

DerisionConsulting ,

Crimea has been occupied since 2014, which means it is not free.

APassenger ,

No one said "free world is blameless."

You inferred it somehow and railed against what no one said. Many do, however, identify most closely with nations not ruled by an autocrat or dictator.

That the liberal countries are most likely to reject the invasion of another free country is not surprising and the "free world" is an apt descriptor for which countries are most likely to support Ukraine.

But "free world" doesn't mean blameless. No one asserted that.

hark ,
@hark@lemmy.world avatar

The same free world sucking israel's genociding dick?

zenitsu ,

The nuance the average brainlet can manage

FangedWyvern42 ,
@FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world avatar

Entirely different situation

hark ,
@hark@lemmy.world avatar

It is, but it highlights how "the free world" is a silly label. The world isn't composed of good guys and bad guys like a children's cartoon.

Dkarma ,

It is tho. Kim Jon un is a literal walking cartoon as is Donald Trump.

Also u're using a non sequitur

hark ,
@hark@lemmy.world avatar

Alright kid. Enjoy your free world.

Crikeste ,

The free world? Lmaooooooooooo

the_third ,

Well, that's material for a future Sabaton song right there.

khannie ,
@khannie@lemmy.world avatar

Godspeed ladies!

ALERT ,
@ALERT@sh.itjust.works avatar

I am an unmarried Ukrainian and I need names!

joelthelion ,
@joelthelion@lemmy.world avatar

Are you really sure? 😂

HikingVet ,

Sounds like they have a thing for strong women, unlike you....

MajorSauce ,

Maybe he was referring to their proficiency in poisoning...

HikingVet ,

Maybe that's what makes him interested...

PsychedSy ,

I'm down if one wants US citizenship.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Mysteriously dies after 5 years of being married

PsychedSy ,

That's kind of the point. Well. Close. Having people rely on me keeps me going. I've always liked the idea of helping other people immigrate.

CptEnder ,

Worth it

Gork ,

Women make the best spies.

HollandJim , (edited )

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  • GojuRyu ,

    Do you have a source for that? Your claim is suspiciously close to incel talking points and seem to contradict a lot I've seen about the amount of trust people have in the word of a woman compared to that of a man. I'd like to know if you are correct, but as it stands I'm doubtful.

    chitak166 ,

    "All of history's greatest assassins have been women."

    Quote from Destroy All Humans!.

    GojuRyu ,

    I don't think that supports the claim at all. It might as well be due to women being seen as insignificant and incapable, not necessarily trustworthy or worth listening to. I don't doubt that societal views of women could make them better assassins or spies, but that it should be due to mans inherent want to listen and believe them seems dubious to me.

    chitak166 ,

    It's a quote from a video game.

    Of course it doesn't support the claim, lol. That was the point :)

    The fuck is a 'great' assassin, anyways? How do you measure that? Kill count? Kill quality? Not getting caught? That would immediately hurt anyone who is known. Lol.

    GojuRyu ,

    Aah sorry, I responded a bit too quickly there :)
    I'd excuse it by nearing my stop with the train, but I should have read it through.

    Yeah, I think the greatness of an assassin is quite subjective in the end and might be more of a vibe with arguments for it than any concrete metric.

    XiELEd ,
    @XiELEd@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s true… Because biologically as men, we want to believe in them.
    We inherently cut them more slack.

    Women in every professional position: Are you sure about that?

    I mean when a woman has hobbies or interests men would think it is impossible for her to have those 😂

    HollandJim ,

    Yeah, that’s not what I’m saying. And if you want to try using the revised point, I made because clearly I didn’t make myself clear the first time.

    rustydrd ,
    @rustydrd@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Didn't see your original comment, but in case it was something like "women are perceived as more trustworthy than men", it doesn't seem like the study you linked to supports this idea, and it considers "trust" at a much broader, non-individual scale.

    HollandJim ,

    No, I poorly worded that the first time which gave it the wrong connotation. I think it’s just better to remove everything and forget this ever happened.

    massacre ,

    I think I watched this episode of Handmaid's Tale

    xePBMg9 ,

    They just eat and drink the stuff some random people they just made war against brought them. Smert!

    at_an_angle ,

    When your own country gives you expired rations, just about anything else looks appealing.

    Ersatz86 ,

    Can't decide if Crimean Combat Seagulls or Kremlin Snuffbox should be the name of the screenplay (or my new band name)

    mojofrododojo ,

    Fields of ditch meat become fields of sunflowers one day. And once they've been cleared of all the submunitions, the crops will be glorious.

    HootinNHollerin ,

    They took out 3 cops and injured 2 it says

    stepan ,

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  • JamesStallion ,

    What support?

    gapbetweenus ,

    Upvotes I guess?

    JustMy2c ,

    No, by freethinking beautiful independent women, acting as one of their national symbols!

    yeather ,

    Kickass

    Pons_Aelius ,

    The police went to apprehend the female suspects at a private house in Yalta but were surprised to find them "well armed" and "well prepared," the post said.

    You are surprised that two resistance fighters who risked their lives to kill the invaders were prepared for shit to get hot?...

    Bell ,

    Hopefully they confiscated any vodka they found at the house

    aeronmelon ,

    "My lord, someone has empowered the womenfolk!" - Crimean Police

    autotldr Bot ,

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Ukrainian saboteurs who are alleged to have poisoned and killed 46 Russian soldiers are on the run in annexed Crimea after a shoot-out with police, a local report says.

    Two young saboteurs who had poisoned members of the Russian military in Simferopol and Bakhchisarai fled when authorities attempted to detain them in Crimea, Telegram channel Kremlin Snuffbox said on Tuesday.

    It was reported in December that members of a Ukrainian partisan group called Crimean Combat Seagulls poisoned and killed 24 Russian soldiers after lacing their vodka with arsenic and strychnine.

    At the time, Snuffbox quoted unnamed sources as saying that "two nice girls" tricked the unit in Simferopol, Crimea, into drinking the vodka, per the Kyiv Post translation.

    In another incident, saboteurs killed 18 and hospitalized 14 Russian personnel in Bakhchisarai, Crimea, by putting arsenic and rat poison in pies and beer, Kremlin Snuffbox previously reported.

    Russian military personnel stationed in Crimea have been asked not to take any food or any drinks from strangers and to detain any suspicious young women who approach them to prevent further incidents of poisoning,


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