Rejoining the EU isn't a priority for me right now, but in 10 years time, who knows. Ruling out all other types of relationship is stupid. I voted for labour because I wanted to see the Tories out, but if this is really their goal then they might not get my vote in the next election.
He's right. There just isn't the political will in the population to reopen the topic of Brexit now. Whether anyone likes it or not, the things British people really care about right now, in no particular order, are:
Inflation
House & utility & food prices
Immigration
NHS waiting lists & more dentists
Train infrastructure.
People can make very legitimate arguments linking Brexit to those issues, but it's not politically viable to open that can of worms again. They just really want their lives to improve for the first time in over a decade.
You both are depressingly right. I genuinely believe if there was another referendum, it may sway more for Remain than last time, but not by that much. I reckon a good ~40% would still vote Leave so when the support for Remain is not even overwhelmingly high, it may not be worth reopening this.
Leavers fucked us all over, that ship has sailed, nothing we can do about it in the foreseeable future. Let's try and play the cards we've been dealt and improve things that way and we'll see what happens in a few decades.
So you're telling me that people in the UK want lower food prices, but don't want to be part of the EU common market. And they want more doctors and dentists, but less immigration.
Is there an epidemic of mental illness? Do these people know what cause and effect are?
people in the UK want lower food prices, but don't want to be part of the EU common market
Yup, it's pretty dumb. But the way the majority feels is that they've had these arguments about Brexit for some many years they're basically done at this point.
And they want more doctors and dentists, but less immigration.
Interestingly, even Reform, the most pro-brexit anti-immigration send everyone to Rwanda party still wants exceptions for doctors, dentists and nurses to allow them to come into the country at will. They are very much considered the exception for immigration.
They're not going to come without their family. And their family isn't all doctors and nurses. That policy isn't going to work if their husband / wife can't join them or can't work in the country. A lot are doctors from the EU. They don't need to come to the UK to make money.
Most of these issues directly relate to and are consequence of Brexit and no longer having access to the EU's broader infrastructure and markets tied into the British ones. While they aren't completely cut off, the additional borders the UK threw up only cut them off from the benefits of being in the EU in the first place.
Not to mention that the UK originally joined the EC in the early 70s precisely to fix its economical problems.
Joining the EU might indeed be a bit off because everybody is weary of a not actually fully committed UK but that doesn't mean the UK can't join the single market, or at least a customs union. Turkey currently is more closely integrated with the EU than the UK is.
The thing I've always loved about the Labor party is how they really set themselves apart from the Tories. I mean, it's just night and day. Really makes you feel like things are going to change for the better. So inspiring.
Hope you've got enough whetstones to keep the blade sharp as you chop off 30% of the country's heads.
I don't like the fact we're out of the EU, but you're not going to convince that portion of the public that we're better in the EU until the public LIVE through being outside the EU and watching them outpace us.
I keep hearing this but have problems believing it. Wouldn't everyone just be so happy it happened that they would be willing to just go back to the way it was?
Iceland and Norway aren't joining, because they want to control their waters and fishing permits. They still implement all EU regulations not touching those. Switzerland has a weird fetish about being neutral, which currently is just a code word for being the EU's tax evasion haven. Through agreements with the EU, they too adhere to most EU regulations. And the EU is absolutely attractive to its bigger economies, they get to pull from cheaper labor pools.
Umm, they already are? Noticed how shit our veg is after brexit? Or how about selling anything outside the UK any more? Or how crap basically all service is as we can't get the staff?
