yesman ,
GroundedGator ,

I don't think it was a particularly easy election. A majority of the people I know (which isn't much admittedly) protest voted. Most thought her win was inevitable. I bet my friend in February that If it was Drumpf/Clinton, Drumpf would win. If so many people didn't feel burned by her being picked over Sanders, she would have won electoral and popular.

TheReturnOfPEB ,

Fuck all of you that think that Trump committed voter fraud only in 2020.

The reason she lost was that Trump cheated in the 2016 election, too.

That was why the world was stunned. Because the results were phony.

mlg ,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

mmhmm I'm sure it had absolutely nothing to do with her terrible voter turnout

Which I'm sure had absolutely nothing to do with her sketchy performance under Obama.

And I'm sure not a single Democrat cared that the DNC went around saying "screw the primary we already chose our candidate" during the scam of a primary.

derf82 ,

I still remember how, as people on the ground in Michigan were seeing it coming and begging for more GOTV volunteers, her campaign flatly refused, instead sending volunteers to Iowa thinking she could win a red state and dunk on Trump. After all, the info on the ground couldn’t be better than their New York polling.

She thought she could just with by being not Trump (which, sure, should have been enough), but decided to not provide anything to vote for, rather than just voting against Trump.

She wins, we still have Roe and a bevy of other positive SCOTUS decisions from a 5-4 liberal court (maybe even 6-3). But she and Ginsburg screwed us over.

Facebones ,

"Get over yourself"

Fuck off Hillary

blazeknave ,

I mean.. I voted for her.. I tried to convince others. I'm cognisant of the media, Russia, the DNC..

She also kinda forgot to campaign the rust belt and took for granted the folks on main St that didn't bounce back with wall st, yet "took a risk on a black guy" and got burned by "intellectual corporate Democrats"

She never set foot in states she didn't have to lose and it felt like Michael Moore was the only watching in real time with me.

FiniteBanjo ,

You say it was an easy win, but HC was once one of the top 3 most popular politicians in America and at the same time I've never seen people so enthusiastically support a candidate like so many support Donald Trump. They put flags on trucks and formed convoys to harass democrat campaign busses.

Thcdenton ,

Fuckin rich assholes need to get the fuck out of our govt

deaf_fish ,

How much do the Democrats need to mess up before they can be considered to be working with the Republicans instead of against them?

Clinton was one whoopsie in a chain of mistakes that has led us here.

Beetschnapps ,

How many time does it take to not be her fault and finally fall on the electorate?

It takes a village when? How long after the baby is born?

harrys_balzac ,

You mean the electorate that was voting for Bernie en masse but Wasserman-Schulz and the big donors didn't want that so they threw the rest of the primaries to go Hillarys way? The electorate that was disenfranchised by their own party?

I_Clean_Here ,

Casual victim blaming Hilary, ignoring the massive propaganda campaign against her, sponsored by a foreign government.

How very American of you.

Trump and the Russians are to blame, not Hillary.

Passerby6497 ,

Trump and the Russians are to blame, not Hillary.

Did trump and the Republicans prevent her from campaigning in swing states and heavily campaigning in democratic strongholds?

Hillary absolutely deserves blame for how her candidacy fucked the dog so hard she lost to Donald trump. She doesn't deserve all the blame for her loss by any stretch, but she does not need to be sanctified as a martyr of some kind.

Rakonat ,

While she's not free of blame for losing, the primary opposition party candidate colluding with a foreign power to manipulate the election definitely had more of an effect on the result than anything she did. DNC emails poisoning the progressives support for her while Comey's investigation into being made public (because of Republicans leaking it) eroded away the support of independents and undecided voters.

In an alternate world whete the RNC emails got leaked and Comey's investigation of Trump got leaked to the public and there is no way Trump wins and likely is in handcuffs before Jan 20 2017

Gradually_Adjusting ,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

Comey really fucked it. I have not forgotten

Rakonat ,

Can't say I'm happy with how he handled things, though it does need to be said he didn't bring the investigation to the public, he took it to congress, who immediately leaked it.

Gradually_Adjusting ,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

Sure. People who think the GOP isn't a terrorist organisation are going to be the death of this country though. It's too late to act like that's not the case imo

explodicle ,

You know whose fault this is? Trump's.

There's a million liberals and leftists who made mistakes. But ultimately, Trump and his supporters are adults and they are the ones most to blame for what they've done. Not liking Hillary didn't force anybody to vote for Trump; that was a choice they made.

aramis87 ,

Why the eff is everyone here letting James Comey off the hook? The guy who ignored DoJ instructions on not doing anything that night interfere in an election in the 90 days beforehand, and deliberately held a press conference just days before the election to say that Hilary was still under investigation, then 'cleared' her shortly after it?

The MAGAts who were pissed about a black President were never going to vote for a woman, but that Comey presser gave enough doubts to swing the election. And he conveniently 'forgot' to mention that Trump and several of his people were also under investigation. Fuck Comey.

constantturtleaction ,

Nah, I blame the media. If any mainstream media actually bothered to report seriously on Bernie and especially the turnouts he was pulling at his rallies, we probably would have had more than enough people energized to vote in the primary and the general. Instead, the MSM acted like Bernie wasn't a real candidate. I stopped supporting NPR after how dirty they did him.

Anticorp ,

Worst of all, they acted like trump was a real candidate, and handed him the unlimited exposure he needed to build a cult.

GeneralEmergency ,

Pretty harsh to blame someone for being born a woman.

IMongoose ,

It didn't help that two weeks before the election the director of the FBI was like "I think we should investigate her lol"

CaptainKickass ,

You can lay that directly at the feet of Assange

orcrist ,

You could, if you ignore history. Assange didn’t make anyone investigate anything. He was a journalist with no special powers.

bamboo ,

Back in 2016, WikiLeaks was in direct communication with Trump Jr. and telling the campaign to claim the election was rigged and stolen if he lost. He was pulling a lot of stuff behind the scenes outside of the scope of journalism. It's clear Assange was likely a mouthpiece for Russia to sow division in the US during this period.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/11/14/563996442/donald-trump-jr-had-direct-contact-with-wikileaks-during-campaign

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/how-the-russians-hacked-the-dnc-and-passed-its-emails-to-wikileaks/2018/07/13/af19a828-86c3-11e8-8553-a3ce89036c78_story.html

conditional_soup ,

And then took it back two days after the election. I wonder what James Comey makes of himself in hindsight.

it_depends_man ,

No, they didn't take it back, they did investigate her and they did find the exact thing people said they would find.

The country probably would have been better off with her at the helm.

But the "claims" were accurate.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system

Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.

"She did it. Maybe without meaning to, but she did do it."

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